Public sector pay increase

Icaras wrote: »

Still don't deserve it

That's right... absolutely none of them do... :rolleyes:

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Public sector workers, when you take into consideration the level of education and training needed for the job and the level of stress the job implies still get paid more than their private sector counterparts.

Depending on the 'counterpart'. In many instances there is no counterpart, in many others they deserve to get paid more.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

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The problem with the public sector is unions, the unions threw the younger generation under the bus in order to protect their own salaries.

The solution isn't throwing more money at the problem, the solution is to break the unions, strip the older generation of their protection and re-distribute funds to the more junior staff.

I totally agree with the first part, not the second part though. I work in a Department where our 'High and Mighty Overlords' (most of whom never actually worked in our job) tried to railroad through all sorts of rubbish and tried to unilaterally over-ride the Haddington Rd agreement. Without the Union our job would certainly be far worse and we'd be taking it large from people just trying to justify their own positions.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

..... In what private sector industry could a person with a BA earn 60k with experience alone?.....
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Loads actually, either with or without a BA. As you get older you realise that a BA is like a Leaving Cert or an Inter Cert. Matters not a jot !!

That's why companies websites / blurb etc regularly advertise as having "75 years experience of x/y/z/" or "Jimmy Mac has 25 years experience in the company/industry" etc. That's what people want to know, not if he has a BA, AB, BAAB, or just B.

kupus wrote: »

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Useless good for nothing workshy hypocrites is all they are. And that's me putting it mildly.

Ya, they are. All of them. :rolleyes:

You should mention that to the next Nurse that's looking after you or the Ambulance Driver that's picking you up off the road, or the Fireman that's cutting you out of your car, or the Revenue Official that's explaining how to go about making your claim.....

cocker5 wrote: »

Actually I hate to point out not all private sector worker get paid over time! That's a myth! I know lots of people and their core working hours are 9-6.. But the work min 8-8 min each day and dont take breaks .. And eat lunch at their desk.. It's expected in the private sector in alot of jobs - myself included.
So they are doing three hours per day over time so 15 hours per week working for free., it's a reality I'm Afraid!

Overtime what's that?

And I know lots of people that don't do anything like that - they'll work the hours they're contracted for and be gone out the door on the button every time. Doesn't mean that everyone is the same though.

deseil wrote: »

I can assure you the fire services are the most well paid, and looked after group of the whole public sector.

No they're not !!! The Government 'Advisers' are !!

To be fair, as far as I'm concerned Firemen, Gardai, Prison Officers and a few others don't get paid for what they do but what they're prepared to do. They're jobs that a lot of people won't do and they have a lot of crap to deal with.




Anyway, I'm off to decide to do with my 2% (minus Tax, PRSI, USC, Mandatory Pension Contribution and Mandatory Pension Levy on that Mandatory Pension - so really it's closer to 0.7% in my pocket)
If anyone has any suggestions as to where I could invest my unexpected windfall they might let me know.. Thanks in advance...

Specialun wrote: »

Only one woman out of the 3 in the office "looks after" it

1) she finished early at 2.30 ( usually finishes at 4)
2) was on break ( 1 time i waited over 45 mins, it was 11am)
3) rang in sick

Same thing occurs in the private sector, have you never gone sick, had a break or taken leave?

mikemac1 wrote: »

Isn't the salary for a graduate nurse 22k?

Its not a lot but lots of graduates start around that rate. A business grad entering an accountancy practice may start on less. Hotel junior duty managers work savage hours and they have 4 years of study same as nurses.

Nurses can lobby for more than 22k but its not a huge difference to other graduates. You may say they worked during placements but other degree courses have placements too

The point I was making is that kids out of school are been paid more in the private sector (where I Work) without qualifications yet people say the PS are over paid.

NIMAN wrote: »

I listened to the report from the Garda conference earlier, and how a 2% pay rise would not be acceptable as its too low.

Did I miss something? Is the country still not in debt to the tune of €180 billion?
Why does everyone seem to think that its 2000 all over again, and we have money to throw around us?

Surely we have learned something from the past?

Well said. The public sector in this country is already way overpaid, both compared to the private sector and public services overseas or across the border.

benny_mountain wrote: »

but the goverment has to award them a pay rise as if they dont two things will happen

labour will be wiped out and besides , fianna fail will promise the public sector even more than whatever the current goverment gives them

all parties vigorously court the public sector in this country , even though public servants saw much less pain during the recession , their plight is given a much broader scope , such is their status

Hence why public sector pay should be legally bound to cost of living.

osarusan wrote: »

I called up an insurance company the other day looking for a quote on a car. The said they'd take all my details and get back to me within 48 hours, so I gave them all the info and specs on the car.

1) The hadn't got back to me by the time I rang them 5 working days later.
2) The person who I spoke to couldn't find my details anywhere. He took the details and called back within 24 hours and said he had a quote for me but need to confirm with that particular company, and that he'd call the next day after he's spoken to them.
3) he hasn't called back since.

Must call them again tomorrow. My private sector anecdote trumps yours.

#neversurviveintherealworld

Yes but you see you can call up any number of their competitors and simply not give them your business if you aren't satisfied with service levels. No such choice with PS however....

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

in the public sector you can have teachers with ordinary degrees earning 60k. In what private sector industry could a person with a BA earn 60k with experience alone?

It's madness, imagine how more efficient the public sector would be if it were de-unionized.

Correct. Our public sector wages are mad high here. A cousin works in the public service in the North and wages there are much lower, and more in line with the private sector.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

In what private sector industry could a person with a BA earn 60k with experience alone?

I earn more than this in the private sector and I just have my leaving cert, experience is very underrated.

Yara Old Backyard wrote: »

Absolute and utter bull, the public sector makes up some of the most important workers in the country and at the moment a large number are under paid for their qualifications, responsibilities and the work they do.

rubbish. Survey after survey says the opposite. For example, "Despite the salary cuts of recent years, their salaries remain among the highest of more than 30 countries worldwide."

"The international comparison is base don salaries in the 2012 year and the report notes that teacher salaries in a number o f countries, including Ireland, were significantly affected by the 2008 economic crisis.
In the interests of transparency between currencies and living costs, converts salaries using a measure based on purchasing power in different countries.
Using this measure, the salaries of Irish teachers at the top of the pay scale is given as the equivalent of €48,430, compared with an EU average of about €35,500 and an OECD average of €36,415"

Google " teachers wages ireland"

CarpeDiem85 wrote: »

The cost of living is much much lower in NI though.

Not much lower.

Slightly lower.... Single figures percentage wise.

CarpeDiem85 wrote: »

Believe me, I live in a border county. Everything is so much cheaper in NI.

Like what?

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Ireland