How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

One eyed Jack · 26-04-2015 06:55PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

Fascist? Moi? It appears you don't know the meaning of the word. Like the American bloke back there calling me a neocon like we were back in the streets of San Fran.

You're comparing yourself to Harvey Milk?

Jesus Christ give me strength :rolleyes:

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 06:58PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Michael Douglas is here???

Doesn't he know this is a local referendum for local people! :mad:

Excuse me, but it was you who was bringing in American centric political terms like Neocon into this debate. I've notice alot of Irish people do this lately. Especially when they mention laws regarding banning interracial marriage in America and seem to have no knowledge of the penal laws in Ireland that prohibited marriage between Catholics and Protestants or the fact that Presbyterian marriages were not recognized by the British Administration in Ireland under those same laws.

As it happens if you do follow American politics, because you are also aware of the thaw in the Republican party in regards to gay people and same sex marriage. Check out what recent Republican candidates for President have said on the matter.

I was born here. I live here. I will vote too.

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 06:59PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You're comparing yourself to Harvey Milk?

Jesus Christ give me strength :rolleyes:

When this become all about me. I'm no Harvey Milk. As it happen Milk was a small government conservative when it comes to economics.

One eyed Jack · 26-04-2015 07:08PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

When this become all about me. I'm no Harvey Milk. As it happen Milk was a small government conservative when it comes to economics.

At least you got that much right, which is why I was perplexed by your reference to neo-cons in San Fran and the idea of you...

Ugh, forget it, you're just coming out with the first thing that comes off the top of your head in an effort to make yourself out to be interesting or intellectual worthy of some regard.

I would regard you if you could actually make a significant (and relevant isn't asking for too much) contribution to the discussion at some point. You've failed to do so thus far.

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 07:10PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

At least you got that much right, which is why I was perplexed by your reference to neo-cons in San Fran and the idea of you...

Ugh, forget it, you're just coming out with the first thing that comes off the top of your head in an effort to make yourself out to be interesting or intellectual worthy of some regard.

I would regard you if you could actually make a significant (and relevant isn't asking for too much) contribution to the discussion at some point. You've failed to do so thus far.

So you jumped in an read my post without history or context. Follow the thread dear before taking my posts out of context.

blades1982 · 26-04-2015 07:13PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Honestly I don't, as in we shouldn't have to vote to end discrimination - it shouldn't exist in the first place and certainly not be enshrined in a Constitution.

I think in a Republic all citizens should have equal rights.

Unfortunately, the framers of the 1937 Constitution allowed Religious beliefs to impact on civil liberties and decided to privilege a majority which led inevitably to discrimination against a minority.

thanks for giving me food for thought.

blades1982 · 26-04-2015 07:16PM

Trudiha wrote: »

Yours is a minority faith in this country and an integeral part of your identity, as is my sexuality. I don't think that it would be too much of a stretch for you to put yourself in my position and imagine what it would be like if the whole country had a referendum to decide if you were allowed normal civic privileges based on this aspect of your identity. Imagine what it would be like to have another perdon's faith inflicted upon you; imagine what it would be like to have that inflicted on your children.

hmm, yes food for though indeed. i will have to reflect on this.
let me ask you plese, if there was a vote, on "should we ban (insert faith)" how would you vote ?

One eyed Jack · 26-04-2015 07:19PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

So you jumped in an read my post without history or context. Follow the thread dear before taking my posts out of context.

Nope, I've been following this thread from the beginning, I understood your posts so far that have had very little if anything to do with the actual referendum. You have your own thing going on there and quite frankly I'm amused by your continued efforts to wedge in your own agenda that's about as out of date as the current situation regarding the position of people who are LGBT in Irish society.

nathang20 · 26-04-2015 07:19PM

I remember when Homosexuality was made legal back in 1993. I was in college and it was just an amazing feeling. All my teen years spent worrying about being gay and the fact that it was illegal, compounded everything. I know this referendum is on a different scale, but its taken 22 years from legalisation to the fact that Irish people are now in the driving seat. I dread to think what the outcome would be if a No vote was to win.

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 07:25PM

nathang20 wrote: »

I remember when Homosexuality was made legal back in 1993. I was in college and it was just an amazing feeling. All my teen years spent worrying about being gay and the fact that it was illegal, compounded everything. I know this referendum is on a different scale, but its taken 22 years from legalisation to the fact that Irish people are now in the driving seat. I dread to think what the outcome would be if a No vote was to win.

Admittedly it was not nice having a life in prison hanging over your head. But in a way it was more fun I thought back then being an undercover homo.

Bannasidhe · 26-04-2015 07:27PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

Excuse me, but it was you who was bringing in American centric political terms like Neocon into this debate. I've notice alot of Irish people do this lately. Especially when they mention laws regarding banning interracial marriage in America and seem to have no knowledge of the penal laws in Ireland that prohibited marriage between Catholics and Protestants or the fact that Presbyterian marriages were not recognized by the British Administration in Ireland under those same laws.

As it happens if you do follow American politics, because you are also aware of the thaw in the Republican party in regards to gay people and same sex marriage. Check out what recent Republican candidates for President have said on the matter.

I was born here. I live here. I will vote too.

That highlighted bit is funny but you have no idea why

but please do keep lecturing from your high horse - what topic shall you enlighten us on next I wonder?
We have had a smattering of queer theory with an off shoot into when lesbian custody cases go baaaad/won't somebody think of the children. An accusation of treason. The Penal Laws. U.S. Politics... none of which have the slightest thing to do with the Referendum so can we expect the equally relevant how they get the figs in the fig rolls as your next master class?

Who said you couldn't vote by the way? Or are you playing the old victim card now?

Shrap · 26-04-2015 07:30PM

blades1982 wrote: »

hmm, yes food for though indeed. i will have to reflect on this.
let me ask you plese, if there was a vote, on "should we ban (insert faith)" how would you vote ?

Speaking as an atheist, I would vote "over my dead body, NO". If anyone is entitled to their beliefs, then so is everyone. However, that should not preclude people of different beliefs to myself from having equal rights within the law.

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 07:31PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Nope, I've been following this thread from the beginning, I understood your posts so far that have had very little if anything to do with the actual referendum. You have your own thing going on there and quite frankly I'm amused by your continued efforts to wedge in your own agenda that's about as out of date as the current situation regarding the position of people who are LGBT in Irish society.

I don't know what your story is but please stop trolling me. Its interesting that all the venom around here is reserved for the gay who does not want to be part of some political movement. Yet a muslim shows up and states that homosexuality is agains't his religion. and some of you kiss his ass and one declares her wish that their were more of him than me or the neocons.

LordSutch · 26-04-2015 07:31PM

With weeks to go before the referendum its a shame the poll is closed . . .

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 07:35PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

That highlighted bit is funny but you have no idea why but please do keep lecturing from your high horse - what topic shall you enlighten us on next I wonder?
We have had a smattering of queer theory with an off shoot into when lesbian custody cases go baaaad/won't somebody think of the children. An accusation of treason. The Penal Laws. U.S. Politics... none of which have the slightest thing to do with the Referendum so can we expect the equally relevant how they get the figs in the fig rolls as your next master class?

Who said you couldn't vote by the way? Or are you playing the old victim card now?

Hilarious. Feel freel to ignore my posts as I will yours Bannasidhe.

marienbad · 26-04-2015 07:36PM

blades1982 wrote: »

hmm, yes food for though indeed. i will have to reflect on this.
let me ask you plese, if there was a vote, on "should we ban (insert faith)" how would you vote ?

|I know you asked the other poster , but just to give my 2p worth , I am definitely voting yes , campaigning for a yes vote , financially contributing for a yes vote .

But if the tables were turned and efforts were made to curtail freedom of religion (any religion) in any way I would make exactly the same efforts .

I am atheist by the way , so how would I fare or a gay person fare in your Republic ?

marienbad · 26-04-2015 07:41PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

I don't know what your story is but please stop trolling me. Its interesting that all the venom around here is reserved for the gay who does not want to be part of some political movement. Yet a muslim shows up and states that homosexuality is agains't his religion. and some of you kiss his ass and one declares her wish that their were more of him than me or the neocons.

What has being part of a political movement got to do with anything ? You do what you want to do and give others the right to do they want to do.

Bannasidhe · 26-04-2015 07:41PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

I don't know what your story is but please stop trolling me. Its interesting that all the venom around here is reserved for the gay who does not want to be part of some political movement. Yet a muslim shows up and states that homosexuality is agains't his religion. and some of you kiss his ass and one declares her wish that their were more of him than me or the neocons.

Victim card it is so.

The Muslim (who you declared to be a traitor apparently simply for daring to be an Irish Muslim) was polite and engaged with people.
You on the other hand came roaring in lecturing all before you.

I don't give a flying what your sexual orientation is or which way you intend to vote tbh - I just don't like the condescending attitude your posts reek of and your failure to make any comment relevant to the Referendum.

Ave Sodalis · 26-04-2015 07:41PM

LordSutch wrote: »

With weeks to go before the referendum its a shame the poll is closed . . .

There's a poll on the front page

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 07:48PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Victim card it is so.

The Muslim (who you declared to be a traitor apparently simply for daring to be an Irish Muslim) was polite and engaged with people.
You on the other hand came roaring in lecturing all before you.

I don't give a flying what your sexual orientation is or which way you intend to vote tbh - I just don't like the condescending attitude your posts reek of and your failure to make any comment relevant to the Referendum.

I think your post count reeks of failure in the real world.

G_R · 26-04-2015 07:53PM

Mod

Madame_Diem,

Start contributing properly to this thread or don't bother posting please. At this point you're just trolling.

Bannasidhe · 26-04-2015 07:53PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

I think you post count reeks of failure in the real work.

Thought you were ignoring me dear.

There you go, getting a girl's hopes up only to dash them on the alter of your need to get one more bitchy comment in.

*sigh*

(p.s. you still haven't said anything relevant to the Referendum)

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 07:55PM

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

Mod

Madame_Diem,

Start contributing properly to this thread or don't bother posting please. At this point you're just trolling.

I will respect you instruction Mod and try and keep all future posts ssm ref related.

Would you please look at the posts directed at me from other posters too.

Thnaks

G_R · 26-04-2015 08:02PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

I will respect you instruction Mod and try and keep all future posts ssm ref related.

Would you please look at the posts directed at me from other posters too.

Thnaks

If you've an issue with any posts in particular, please report them and the Mods will review and action if we feel necessary.

Don't reply to this post please as it's just dragging things off topic.

Cheers

One eyed Jack · 26-04-2015 08:06PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

I don't know what your story is but please stop trolling me. Its interesting that all the venom around here is reserved for the gay who does not want to be part of some political movement.

Who's trolling you?

What venom are you talking about?

What political movement are you talking about?

Do you think I give a damn whether you're homosexual, heterosexual, whatever other way you choose to identify yourself?

I called it early, you really do remind me of the old queens I used meet years ago who wanted to exclude themselves from society and then claim society were excluding them!

One of my best mates is transgender, goes out and about her business like anyone else, ok her fashion sense is a bit funky, but she doesn't see herself as any of your "I want to be special" nonsense. She just wants to be treated like anyone else (funny thing about that actually, she's a wicked sense of humour, I called her a stubborn bitch once during an argument, she turned round, smirked and says thanks. The pair of us broke our holes laughing

).

Yet a muslim shows up and states that homosexuality is agains't his religion. and some of you kiss his ass and one declares her wish that their were more of him than me or the neocons.

I suggest you go back through the thread there sweetheart, I never engaged at all with that poster because if they were a muslim, I'm a flaming queen! (I ain't btw, the rumours aren't true :pac:).

There's no hive mind around here but if anyone displays a piss poor attitude, other people are gonna call 'em on it. It's nothing against you personally because of the fact you're gay, or because of the fact you have some vague and rather funky opinions, it's because of your piss poor attitude in the way you put your opinions across that's rubbing people up the wrong way.

Mark Tapley · 26-04-2015 08:08PM

haveringchick wrote: »

See this is it here. You don't have any way to deal with any even mild criticisms (and God knows im harmless) withour resorting to what amounts to pretty bad attempts at sarcasm.
Is there any other questions you want me to answer?

Did you ever consider the username Contrary Mary?

SaveOurLyric · 26-04-2015 08:24PM

Voting yes.

1) Give people the option to do what they want to do - it doesnt hurt anyone (except give some of our last remaining catholics worry for their souls - and I think we have moved beyond legislating for superstition).

2) I care about Ireland's reputation internationally. Legacies of our catholic past influencing existing laws is one thing, but voting continuation of them is another. With no referendum, the lack of SSM didnt really get much profile. But voting no would leave us behind other modern nations and with a perception of still being a little backward and not sufficiently mature or educated to shake off that old christian influence.

BMMachine · 26-04-2015 08:25PM

Its going to be the yes vote that wins and if that annoys bigots and homophobes than Im all the happier for it

those old stories written in a book by some men a couple of hundred years ago have ZERO baring on individual freedoms of today

folamh · 26-04-2015 08:36PM

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

1) Give people the option to do what they want to do - it doesnt hurt anyone (except give some of our last remaining catholics worry for their souls - and I think we have moved beyond legislating for superstition).

If anyone tries to engage you on this point, just keep reiterating that you're entitled to your opinion.

aloyisious · 26-04-2015 08:43PM

I was pleasantly surprised Friday night getting off the bus near home when the driver told me that he was voting yes in the marriage referendum, and signed toward's my YES badge. I hadn't talked to him about it and it made for a good end to the day. The driver was, by his accent, not your average Irish voter, having spoken with an Asian-Indian sounding accent. It lead me to recall, once again, that one's accent or colour is no indicator of one's nationality or belief. So I'm hoping that he wasn't just being friendly, but a person with a vote as well.

I actually think that if there is a successful NO vote towards the referendum about marriage, that the next step by Iona will be to take a case to the courts to rescind, on the grounds of unconstitutionality, of advances made in civil law towards civil rights and marriage, including divorce. This came to mind when I listened to David Quinn on the 1PM RTE radio news today, talking about the family and children bill and how the Govt had (without discussion) imposed it on the country, and how a case could be taken to the courts to declare it unconstitutional as a result. I believe that if he had his way, the RC Church would hold sway over all manner of civil life here, including those of the bus driver. So I say to persons of faith and of no faith thinking about their vote and the marriage issue, think deeply about what way a NO result would be read by David Quinn and his fellow travellers.

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