How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

blades1982 · 26-04-2015 04:47PM

Trudiha wrote: »

That is in no way all cut and dried, there are plenty of gay Muslims who have no problem whatsoever squaring their sexuality with their faith. I don't know enough about Islam to state the case but Imaan, the gay Muslim charity do an excellent job of putting it forward.

this is a fair point. it is indeed not all simple. however i didnt say i was speaking for islam, im just saying how i will vote based on my own personal relationship with my faith and how i understand it. good post.

blades1982 · 26-04-2015 04:48PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

To believe yes.
But a person does not have the right to place those beliefs above the Civil Law - at least not without risking serious penalties.

We may have been using different definitions of the word 'right' there.

yes, but its a vote. no ? so im not imposing anything. im voteing. if it passes, it passes.

Bannasidhe · 26-04-2015 04:49PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

Then your a traitor to Ireland.

Wow.

You are a bristling bundle of conservatism aren't you.

Where has all the queer theory you were spouting gone I wonder?

PopePalpatine · 26-04-2015 04:50PM

blades1982 wrote: »

i know. but as a spiritual person, i put my faith before my country. thats my right, and as such my religous views supperceid my patriotioc views. (bad spelling, sorry).

You must be really butthurt that there's no Christian ISIS yet.

blades1982 · 26-04-2015 04:51PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

You must be really butthurt that there's no Christian ISIS yet.

hahahahaha, ok. hahahahahahahahhahhhahahahaha.

folamh · 26-04-2015 04:52PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

As an atheist and a gay man I would like to personally thank all those liberals and lefties who allowed people like the above poster into my country so I could be discriminated against now from as far as the third world. It will surely be a smack in the face for all you liberals when all the 'new' Irish come out to vote No. Once again thank you.

The liberal left deem it of vital importance to go after secular libertarians like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Niall Ferguson, instead of Muslims who make David Quinn look like a third wave feminist queer theorist, and voting accordingly.

WoolyJumper · 26-04-2015 04:55PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

As an atheist and a gay man I would like to personally thank all those liberals and lefties who allowed people like the above poster into my country so I could be discriminated against now from as far as the third world. It will surely be a smack in the face for all you liberals when all the 'new' Irish come out to vote No. Once again thank you.

Meh, I happen to know a gay Muslim (yes they exist) voting yes. As a gay atheist i try avoid tarring an entire group of people with the same brush.

Bannasidhe · 26-04-2015 04:55PM

blades1982 wrote: »

yes, but its a vote. no ? so im not imposing anything. im voteing. if it passes, it passes.

But you are imposing.

It's like if all of those who are Roman Catholics voted to have it placed in the Constitution that Roman Catholicism was the only acceptable religion for Irish people and claimed this was their 'right' in keeping with their religious beliefs. That would be imposing on all citizens.

To say that some Irish citizens cannot be treated equally by the State because it not in keeping with the religious beliefs of other Irish citizens in to impose the rules of religions upon all - including those who are not members of that religion.

Absolutely it is your right to vote as your conscience demands but please be aware of the wider repercussions.

26-04-2015 04:55PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

As an atheist and a gay man I would like to personally thank all those liberals and lefties who allowed people like the above poster into my country so I could be discriminated against now from as far as the third world. It will surely be a smack in the face for all you liberals when all the 'new' Irish come out to vote No. Once again thank you.

What about all the liberals and lefties which will be voting yes to the referendum?

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 04:56PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Still trying to stir it I see.

Guess what - There are Irish Muslims - imagine that!

Probably more Irish Muslims than neo-Con Gay Irishmen which, imho, is a good thing.

I'll leave the stirring to you.

But your statement speaks for itself.

Reminds me of the time Rosie O'Donnel said that the Christian Right was a bigger threat and Al Qaeda.

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 04:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What about all the liberals and lefties which will be voting yes to the referendum?

I vomit when I see the Labour party poster.

Bannasidhe · 26-04-2015 04:58PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

I'll leave the stirring to you.

But your statement speaks for itself.

Reminds me of the time Rosie O'Donnel said that the Christian Right was a bigger threat and Al Qaeda.

Bannasidhe says the Christian Right and Al Qaeda are same meat different gravy and you can quote me on that.

folamh · 26-04-2015 04:58PM

In before "They are a bigger threat than Al Qaeda!"

Absolute Zero · 26-04-2015 04:58PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Still trying to stir it I see.

Guess what - There are Irish Muslims - imagine that!

Probably more Irish Muslims than neo-Con Gay Irishmen which, imho, is a good thing.

No it's not.

blades1982 · 26-04-2015 04:59PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

But you are imposing.

It's like if all of those who are Roman Catholics voted to have it placed in the Constitution that Roman Catholicism was the only acceptable religion for Irish people and claimed this was their 'right' in keeping with their religious beliefs. That would be imposing on all citizens.

To say that some Irish citizens cannot be treated equally by the State because it not in keeping with the religious beliefs of other Irish citizens in to impose the rules of religions upon all - including those who are not members of that religion.

Absolutely it is your right to vote as your conscience demands but please be aware of the wider repercussions.

you have an interesting way of putting it, and i will think on it more. so you believe there shouldnt even be a vote?

Absolute Zero · 26-04-2015 04:59PM

folamh wrote: »

In before "They are a bigger threat than Al Qaeda!"

They are a bigger threat than al queda.

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 05:01PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Wow.

You are a bristling bundle of conservatism aren't you.

Where has all the queer theory you were spouting gone I wonder?

Where have I said I was a conservative. The last time I looked the Catholic Church or the Westboro Baptist church are not publicaly trying to kill me. Google ISIS and gay as I cannot post Urls.

blades1982 · 26-04-2015 05:03PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

Where have I said I was a conservative. The last time I looked the Catholic Church or the Westboro Baptist church are not publicaly trying to kill me. Google ISIS and gay as I cannot post Urls.

isnt it a bit ironic you have gone on from hateing me for my religion toequating me to a gay killing isis member ? lol. no one is trying to kill you. take a zanix or something.

Trudiha · 26-04-2015 05:10PM

folamh wrote: »

The liberal left deem it of vital importance to go after secular libertarians like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Niall Ferguson, instead of Muslims who make David Quinn look like a third wave feminist queer theorist, and voting accordingly.

The liberal left isn't an amorphous mass, moving mindlessly in one direction.

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 05:12PM

blades1982 wrote: »

isnt it a bit ironic you have gone on from hateing me for my religion toequating me to a gay killing isis member ? lol. no one is trying to kill you. take a zanix or something.

Just to clarify, I don't hate muslims. And not all muslims or ISIS or Al queda.

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 05:14PM

Trudiha wrote: »

The liberal left isn't an amorphous mass, moving mindlessly in one direction.

Its the same disease in most northern European countries.

blades1982 · 26-04-2015 05:15PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

Just to clarify, I don't hate muslims. And not all muslims or ISIS or Al queda.

ok dude, i was just having a hard time following your trail of thought. yes isis would kill you but, they are crack pots, and i assure you, if that ****e started here, i would give my life fighting them.

Hande hoche! · 26-04-2015 05:43PM

folamh wrote: »

In before "They are a bigger threat than Al Qaeda!"

Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula is where it's at these days.

marienbad · 26-04-2015 05:44PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

Then your a traitor to Ireland.

Says our resident fascist . Spare me .

Santa Cruz · 26-04-2015 05:51PM

It will be a great boost for wedding venues and wedding bands

Bannasidhe · 26-04-2015 06:32PM

blades1982 wrote: »

you have an interesting way of putting it, and i will think on it more. so you believe there shouldnt even be a vote?

Honestly I don't, as in we shouldn't have to vote to end discrimination - it shouldn't exist in the first place and certainly not be enshrined in a Constitution.

I think in a Republic all citizens should have equal rights.

Unfortunately, the framers of the 1937 Constitution allowed Religious beliefs to impact on civil liberties and decided to privilege a majority which led inevitably to discrimination against a minority.

PopePalpatine · 26-04-2015 06:36PM

blades1982 wrote: »

i know. but as a spiritual person, i put my faith before my country. thats my right, and as such my religous views supperceid my patriotioc views. (bad spelling, sorry).

blades1982 wrote: »

ok dude, i was just having a hard time following your trail of thought. yes isis would kill you but, they are crack pots, and i assure you, if that ****e started here, i would give my life fighting them.

And what if there was a Christian clone of ISIS?

Trudiha · 26-04-2015 06:44PM

blades1982 wrote: »

you have an interesting way of putting it, and i will think on it more. so you believe there shouldnt even be a vote?

Yours is a minority faith in this country and an integeral part of your identity, as is my sexuality. I don't think that it would be too much of a stretch for you to put yourself in my position and imagine what it would be like if the whole country had a referendum to decide if you were allowed normal civic privileges based on this aspect of your identity. Imagine what it would be like to have another perdon's faith inflicted upon you; imagine what it would be like to have that inflicted on your children.

Madame_Diem · 26-04-2015 06:45PM

marienbad wrote: »

Says our resident fascist . Spare me .

Fascist? Moi? It appears you don't know the meaning of the word. Like the American bloke back there calling me a neocon like we were back in the streets of San Fran.

Bannasidhe · 26-04-2015 06:50PM

Madame_Diem wrote: »

Fascist? Moi? It appears you don't know the meaning of the word. Like the American bloke back there calling me a neocon like we were back in the streets of San Fran.

Michael Douglas is here???

Doesn't he know this is a local referendum for local people! :mad:

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