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Australia to stop welfare payments for parents who dont vacinnate their kids

  • 13-04-2015 08:45AM
    #1
    Tzardine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭


    Came across this story.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0413/693696-australia/

    I think it's a great idea. How irresponsible can a person be to not vaccinate their children. Usually the tinfoil hat brigade.


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  • #2
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Mr Abbott said yesterday only strict religious or medical reasons for non-vaccination would be accepted.

    So it's ok if an Old book tells you it's bad.


  • #3
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Why is a religious reason for not vaccinating your kids acceptable!


  • #4
    Realt Dearg Sec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,586 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Why is a religious reason for not vaccinating your kids acceptable!

    Because God will take care of those ones. Medical science is only necessary for heathen spawn.


  • #5
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Friend of mine has declined all the shots for his daughter.

    His reasons are all based on things he read on the www. Real conspiracy theory stuff about Governments in bed with pharma companies to create scares and so on. I don't get into it, we'd only argue and of course it is his prerogative.

    In time I may be circumspect about sending a child around to play with his, mind you.


  • #6
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    I wouldn't stop welfare payments, but I would deny access to schools and crèches.


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  • #7
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It just takes complying with the state to a whole new level, Australia already has (I believe) compulsory voting in elections.


  • #8
    Red Kev
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,793 ✭✭✭Red Kev


    Thought it was a good, progressive idea myself until the religious exemptions were mentioned. Idiotic.


  • #9
    Realt Dearg Sec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,586 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It just takes complying with the state to a whole new level, Australia already has (I believe) compulsory voting in elections.

    Complying with the state for the health and safety of all children including ones unable to receive vaccines whose health us compromised by the caprices of a fringe of conspiracy nuts and religious lunatics. That shouldn't be indulged by any state.


  • #10
    cheekypup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭cheekypup


    Red Kev wrote: »
    Thought it was a good, progressive idea myself until the religious exemptions were mentioned. Idiotic.

    not really, their respective church can pay for the childs healthcare at no cost to the state or the taxpayer.


  • #11
    zl1whqvjs75cdy
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    I'm all for vaccinations but I think this may be a step too far.


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  • #12
    [Deleted User]
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    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    Complying with the state for the health and safety of all children including ones unable to receive vaccines whose health us compromised by the caprices of a fringe of conspiracy nuts and religious lunatics. That shouldn't be indulged by any state.
    I do agree with the idea of vaccination though as without it the risks of an outbreak of a "controlled" disease could be deadly to an individual who missed out for any reason as well as those who's parents declined to protect them.


  • #13
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wonder how long it will be until governments start "fining" people for lifestyle related illnesses, by which mean the individuals have to pay a larger portion of the medical bill for treatment for a smoking related disease for example.


  • #14
    Gatling
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I wonder how long it will be until governments start "fining" people for lifestyle related illnesses, by which mean the individuals have to pay a larger portion of the medical bill for treatment for a smoking related disease for example.

    Why not when you think about it .
    Person smokes 40 a day and heap of pints and fatty foods.
    there piss poor choices lead to meddical conditions that are fairly costly to treat in the long run .
    and yet they end up paying next to nothing
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  • #15
    [Deleted User]
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    kylith wrote: »
    I wouldn't stop welfare payments, but I would deny access to schools and crèches.

    Is that not punishing the child for the decision by the parents?


  • #16
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Sounds to me like it's simply business as usual then. The funny thing is, it's mostly parents that don't need the tax rebates or the welfare payments are the people who are declining getting their children vaccinated, the new agey hippy lefty types -


    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/22/anti-vaccine-mothers-explain-measles-backlash

    (just one example of many I've come across, I know there was a scientist in NZ too who refused to vaccinate his children, one nearly died, but I can't find a link now)


    But I have to agree that vilifying these parents, does absolutely no good. They only dig their heels in further -


    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2015/02/02/vilifying-parents-who-dont-vaccinate-their-kids-is-counterproductive/


    It's less about holy books, and more to do with the fact that these people simply don't care about anyone else but themselves and their 'rights'. "Responsibility" is a dirty word for leftie nutbars.


  • #17
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Is that not punishing the child for the decision by the parents?

    Not as much as withholding money needed for food, clothing, etc.

    Also as One Eyed Jack says above, the idiots who don't vaccinate are less likely to be receiving welfare.


  • #18
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    kylith wrote: »
    I wouldn't stop welfare payments, but I would deny access to schools and crèches.

    Anyone who thinks vaccination is bad is likely to have similar theories about educational institutions so that might not be much of a deterrent.


  • #19
    shruikan2553
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    Not allowing access to schools would probably be better although as the backwards man said, they would probably be the kind of nut jobs who think that the schools are putting chemtrails into the air so they become liberal or whatever.


  • #20
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Gatling wrote: »
    Why not when you think about it .
    Person smokes 40 a day and heap of pints and fatty foods.
    there piss poor choices lead to meddical conditions that are fairly costly to treat in the long run .
    and yet they end up paying next to nothing

    The only one of them not heavily taxed is fatty food. If you smoke fags, I think about 80% of it goes to revenue so in essence you are funding your future health care when your lungs inevitably turn to sh¡te.


  • #21
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    http://bigamericannews.com/2015/03/27/obama-orders-homosexual-chemtrail-missions-over-indiana-day-after-religious-freedom-bill-passed/


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  • #22
    kylith
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Anyone who thinks vaccination is bad is likely to have similar theories about educational institutions so that might not be much of a deterrent.

    Yeah, but then you can jail/fine them for failing to educate their children, OR they can enjoy the financial and time-heavy burden of private/home schooling.


  • #23
    LadyAthame
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    kylith wrote: »
    Not as much as withholding money needed for food, clothing, etc.

    Also as One Eyed Jack says above, the idiots who don't vaccinate are less likely to be receiving welfare.
    I agree with witholding it and I will tell you why.

    I was born severly underweight but otherwise a healthy full term baby. I was 1.5lbs which is under the 3lb weight requirement for the 5 in 1 vaccine. My parents were told the risk was too great for such a small baby and as soon as I reached the weight requirement I should get it immediately. But I didn't gain weight particularly fast. A few weeks later I got whooping cough.
    Unfortunately, many parents and even some doctors are hesitant to vaccinate small babies or preemies on the recommended schedule which is based on age from birth, not from expected due date or weight. Which puts the most defenseless of babies in danger.

    Actually statistically the risks from delaying the vaccine were higher than taking it for a small baby. But the Dr my parents were seeing delayed the vaccine. I was in hospital for months. I still have scars in my lungs which you can see in x-rays now as an adult. They don't bother me in anyway but it shows you. Ironically I have some natural immunity now as an adult. I got vaccinated as soon as I recovered. I don't thing people realize how common these diseases are. The child mortality rate in third countries is terrible because of lack of vaccination. The only reason non vaccinated children don't get diseases even more than they already do is that other children ARE vaccinated and this gives the community some protection.

    Yes if you put your child's life at risk extreme measures should be taken.


  • #24
    SEPT 23 1989
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    very dark road we are travelling down here


  • #25
    One eyed Jack
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    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Not allowing access to schools would probably be better although as the backwards man said, they would probably be the kind of nut jobs who think that the schools are putting chemtrails into the air so they become liberal or whatever.


    The people who are mostly against vaccines for their children are well-educated, affluent liberals. They simply don't trust medicine any more, instead justifying their actions by saying it's their right and their personal choice and they're refusing to vaccinate their children because of the idea of "putting harmful chemicals" in their children's bodies.

    Homeschooling is fast becoming another liberal idea because they don't trust the education system, the same education system that gave them their education - too dangerous for their special little snowflakes.


  • #26
    Red Alert
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 7,486 ✭✭✭Red Alert


    I think they should make social welfare and particularly child benefit contingent on school attendance and staying out of trouble with the law.


  • #27
    VinLieger
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    very dark road we are travelling down here

    Not really, imagine your baby is not allowed be vaccinated for medical reasons and some other numpties 8 year old who didn't get the vaccine by choice infects your completely defenceless child, that's a dark road.

    Fair enough these fvcktards want to risk their own children's health but they are putting everyone else's children at risk as well since even a child that is vaccinated is not 100% immune from infection and the mortality rate of those with the vaccine who do get infected is scary high.


  • #28
    kunst nugget
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Homeschooling is fast becoming another liberal idea because they don't trust the education system, the same education system that gave them their education - too dangerous for their special little snowflakes.

    I'm pretty sure that homeschooling in countries like here are usually motivated by religious concerns rather than liberal ones.


  • #29
    Guy:Incognito
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It just takes complying with the state to a whole new level, Australia already has (I believe) compulsory voting in elections.

    Nobody is forcing anyone to comply with the state though. Dont look for money off the state and you dont have to comply.


  • #30
    Jimoslimos
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure that homeschooling in countries like are usually motivated by religious concerns rather than liberal ones.
    In Australia homeschooling is common enough due to the remote nature of many areas.


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  • #31
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure that homeschooling in countries like are usually motivated by religious concerns rather than liberal ones.


    That certainly used to be the way things were alright, but now more and more parents are choosing to homeschool their children. It's not quite at the level here yet that it is in the US, but we've already had one high-profile case in Ireland, can't find the exact case now but to give you some idea -


    http://www.magicmum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=445612


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