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AR/tist in the spotlight: RayCun

  • 02-04-2015 12:33PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭


    Thanks to jebuz for a really interesting, honest and insightful *week* in the spotlight. RayCun has kindly been press ganged agreed to step up this week - thank you - so here's a few questions to get the ball rolling.

    You came to running around midlife crisis time when past the first flush of youth...can you tell us a bit more about any previous involvement in running or sport in general?

    It's very nearly the five year anniversary of your log. You've come a long way. Care to include a table of PBs five years ago, now and in five years' time?

    Your children are involved in running. Pushy father or too laid back to clap?

    Does your wife still run? Who gets the lion's share of get-out-to-run cards if so?

    I'm going to leave the current running approach questions to someone else :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    You came to running around midlife crisis time when past the first flush of youth...can you tell us a bit more about any previous involvement in running or sport in general?

    Very little. I ran in the school sports day in 5th? class, came last in the mile?, that's the only running I remember. Ha, now that I say it, I remember deciding at one point that I was going to be the youngest kid ever to run a marathon, and started training by running laps of the school. That lasted for at least one lap :pac: Must have been 1980 or 81

    I played badminton for 2/3 years starting when I was 11/12, and on again/off again for another few years, but I was never any good :) I had no upper body strength - still don't! - so my game was very limited.

    Apart from that, not much. The mandatory minimum GAA and rugby in school, golf for maybe a year? with my dad, and the usual random football games.
    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    It's very nearly the five year anniversary of your log. You've come a long way. Care to include a table of PBs five years ago, now and in five years' time?

    2009 my only race was the Jingle Bells 5k. 29:39 (but this was back before chip timing, I was at least a minute getting to the start line)

    2010: Jingle Bells 5k again, 21:55, 39:59 in Sportsworld 5 mile, 53:45 in Great Ireland Run, 80:55 and 1:48 in race series 10 mile and half, 3:58 in the marathon

    2011: 19:39 in Rathfarnham 5k, 34:24 in Sportsworld, 46:39 GIR, 73:51 and 1:36 in 10 mile and half, 3:29 in the marathon

    2012 raced a lot of different distances. 17:55 in Rathfarnham 5k was my PB for ages, 38:07 in a BHAA 10k in Firhouse and 1:24 in the race series half were the other highlights

    2013 29:14 in Raheny and 1:22 in Bohermeen, then injured for ages

    2014 the two marathons were the main ones, 2:59:06 in Limerick and 2:56:42 in Dublin

    This year 17:41 in the Tom Brennan 5k and 28:46 in Raheny
    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Your children are involved in running. Pushy father or too laid back to clap?

    Pushy in that I will usually drag them to training over any complaints :) (but only because they enjoy it once they get there)

    It wasn't ever a question about if they would start running themselves, they both joined the club as soon as they were able. (I set up a whole Little Athletics programme so she could join a year earlier :pac:) That's one of the reasons why I started getting fit myself, so they would see it as an entirely natural thing to do.

    At races, they demand that I watch and cheer, get very annoyed with me when I'm looking after another age group or event and miss their races.
    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Does your wife still run? Who gets the lion's share of get-out-to-run cards if so?

    No, she kept getting injured and stopped. She did Crossfit for about a year, and got injured doing that, so she's doing what she can to stop from going insane.

    My own training is generally not a problem - I run in and out of work, or first thing in the morning on weekends, so usually there's no impact. And bringing the kids to training 3/4 times a week earns points. But the endless meetings are a pain in the arse - Little Athletics, juvenile coaches, adult training, club committee, various other bits and pieces - and the problem with all of the groups is that the longer you put off a meeting the more problems build up. So at least, sometimes twice a week, I'm out after training. And then there are training courses, or juvenile competitions, or my own races... so all of that takes some shuffling.

    on the other hand, I'm in work and she's at home on the couch eating chocolate and drinking wine all day, so ... :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭overpronator


    Great choice, Heya Ray.

    What's your favourite specific race and what's you're favourite/least favourite distance?
    Dream PBs before hanging up the runners?
    Is there anything that can be done to get the public at large into elite athletics in Ireland outside of the potential bandwagon effect associated with some major championship success? Is it even possible with that kind of success?
    What do you really think of Tallaght AC :pac:?
    Favourite tipple?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Great answers thanks but you missed a question ;) "PBs...in five years time...."*
    Bit like your wife, I'm just going back to lounging on the sofa and finishing my bottle of red :D





    *Adrian, table help!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    What's your favourite specific race and what's you're favourite/least favourite distance?

    Dublin marathon is out on its own. The numbers, the spectators, and the neverending agony of it all :pac:

    For the shorter distances, the Raheny 5 mile and Rathfarnham 5k are great. Raheny has a real event feel about it, Rathfarnham is fast and local, and both are very well-organised. Two races I'd like to run every year.
    Dream PBs before hanging up the runners?

    I don't think that far ahead.

    16:xx for the 5k this year
    2:4x for the marathon next year
    Reassess then
    Is there anything that can be done to get the public at large into elite athletics in Ireland outside of the potential bandwagon effect associated with some major championship success? Is it even possible with that kind of success?

    I don't think so.

    If we had a steady stream of people winning Olympics and World Championship medals, setting world records etc, ... they'd get publicity, the sport would get more coverage and more kids would take it up - maybe then. But we're not going to have a steady stream of Coughlans and O'Sullivans, we're a small country where athletics is a minority sport, that kind of success is out of reach.

    Most people watch team sports, football, gaelic, rugby and I think sports like that have an advantage in building an audience. You might be a particular fan of certain players, but you cheer the team as players retire and come through. And there's a match every week in the season, so there's a routine of support. It's hard to be a fan of 'Irish hurdlers' in the same way.

    I don't think athletics is as visually appealing as a lot of other sports either. Pole vault is spectacular, for example, but there can be a long time between attempts. Distance races are often lap after lap of incremental changes. Sprints and long jump over too fast to see anything. Throws too hard to see the difference between attempts.

    I'm speaking relatively, of course, and I always enjoy watching athletics live or on TV (well, not the marathon on tv, or walks anywhere). But I honestly don't think it will ever capture a large audience of people who haven't been involved themselves.
    What do you really think of Tallaght AC :pac:?

    are you trying to get me banned? :pac:
    Favourite tipple?

    I don't drink much, and when I do I'm not fussy :) Guinness in a pub, wine anywhere else, anything as long as its red. I have started drinking cider more often in the last year - some sort of reversion to adolescence :pac:


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Great answers thanks but you missed a question ;) "PBs...in five years time...."*
    Bit like your wife, I'm just going back to lounging on the sofa and finishing my bottle of red :D





    *Adrian, table help!

    Something Like this I guess? But we need PB poredictions for 2020,

    Year|5k|5M|10K|10M| Half|Mara
    2009|29:39
    2010|21:55|39:59|53:45|80:55|1:48|3:58
    2011|19:39|34:24|46:39|73:51|1:36|3:29
    2012|17:55||38:07||1:24
    2013||29:14|||1:22
    2014||||||2:56:42
    2015|17:41|28:46
    2020|??|??|??|??|??|??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    what do you do in the line of mobility and strength work? (if anything)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Great answers thanks but you missed a question ;) "PBs...in five years time...."

    really, no idea

    BeepBeep and aero2k just keep getting better so maybe I can keep improving too, or maybe my legs will fall off or I'll plateau or I'll lose the will to keep training hard and shuffle more into coaching...?

    I don't have a long-term goal, either a race or a time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭paddybarry


    Hi Ray,
    You have made huge gains in the 5 years you have been running, from what it seems a 'traditional' approach to training. With that in mind, what is the thinking behind your new approach to training and where did this inspiration come from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    IvoryTower wrote: »
    what do you do in the line of mobility and strength work? (if anything)

    I'm very inconsistent.
    After a functional assessment back in December I was good for a while, 15 minutes of flexibility work most days, 15 of strength work (plank variations mainly) about half the week. That petered out in January.

    At the moment (ie. for the last week ish) I'm doing 10-15 minutes of stretching most days. Foam roll, squats, calf, quad, hamstring stretches. Doing that in the morning before work, on the days I don't run in, seems to be working okay. It's the evenings when it is harder to set aside the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,132 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Hi,

    would you ever consider adding a 't' at the end of your username?..:)

    Two questions: 1. Your single biggest reason for getting your 5 k down from 29 to 17 mins?

    2. How important weight loss was in your PB improvements?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    paddybarry wrote: »
    Hi Ray,
    You have made huge gains in the 5 years you have been running, from what it seems a 'traditional' approach to training. With that in mind, what is the thinking behind your new approach to training and where did this inspiration come from?

    Rush of blood to the head :D

    I don't think the gains I've made have been particularly impressive. I may have finally made it to 'average' :pac:

    I suppose for the first few years, I basically did two things - kept increasing mileage and started adding proper sessions, on my own or in the club.

    2010 1000 miles, 1600 in 2011, 2600 in 2012 and 2300 last year. So I could have done that again, aimed for 3x00 miles this year. But I'm not running a marathon this year, and while I understand the gains of more mileage are not limited to marathons (and I do expect/hope to run more this year than last) that didn't seem like the right approach to take for a 5k year.

    As far as sessions go, I was enjoying the club sessions, they were good training. But I didn't feel like I knew what I was doing the other 6 days of the week, and it was annoying me. I could have picked up a plan from a book, and I was thinking of asking a coach from the club to draw up a plan for me, but I never got around to either. Chris Jones came out to the club to give a talk on training at around this time, and I thought, well, obviously, if Maria McCambridge does it, so should I. Part of that was getting my lactate and VO2 measured, and when I did that I got a plan, so...

    It boils down to - I wanted someone to tell me what to do, and I got it, so I'm happy :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Something Like this I guess? But we need PB poredictions for 2020,

    Year|5k|5M|10K|10M| Half|Mara
    2009|29:39
    2010|21:55|39:59|53:45|80:55|1:48|3:58
    2011|19:39|34:24|46:39|73:51|1:36|3:29
    2012|17:55||38:07||1:24
    2013||29:14|||1:22
    2014||||||2:56:42
    2015|17:41|28:46
    2020|??|??|??|??|??|??

    Very impressive progress... it's so heartening to see your first 5k time :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Do you miss being a mod, honestly?
    Favorite place to run?
    Do you do any coaching?
    Up and coming athlete in your club we should look out for?
    What do you believe is your strongest distance?
    Why do you always look so cross at races?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    Those improvement in times are amazing! How? Just how? :D

    Nevermind just got to paddybarrys question and answer :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Back when you started being a mod you were not shy in mentioning your lack of interest and knowledge in elite athletics. Fast forward a few years and you appear to now be a genuine fan of the sport at all levels, from elite to club to recreational. What brought about what has to be called quite a dramatic change? It's good to see, and if you become a mod ever again I promise not to give you quite as hard a time as before :)

    What are your track PBs? Any plans to bring them down this year?

    What is your involvement with the graded meets?

    Have you ever been tempted to run a 400m race? What's the fastest all out effort you have done over one lap?

    Will come back with more when I think of some.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    tang1 wrote: »
    Do you miss being a mod, honestly?

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0s3VcP06IZMX4PoUUodZPRm98HpyvbFlOt2a9GEj3x7-DoEtx5g

    I sometimes miss being able to move threads around and edit stuff, but that's it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    tang1 wrote: »
    Favorite place to run?

    Because most of my running is commuting, and I've never been one to drive somewhere for a run, the possibilities are very limited. I've worn a rut into Tymon park and the path along the Dodder. Both are perfectly fine for running in, and very boring. Phoenix park is not an exciting answer either, but it is fantastic to run in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭chickey2


    Hi Ray,

    You've mentioned before that you drink beetroot juice, do you take any other foods/drinks specifically to help your running? Has your diet has changed much since you started running?

    How often do you log on to this forum and how long do you spend on it?

    Thanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Pink11


    Hi Ray,

    1. Really cool to see how you improved your timing. Very inspiring and gives us all hope! If you had to pick ONE change you made that had the most impact or contributed most to your improvements, which would you say helped you the most? e.g changes to training or diet?

    2. What are your top 3 pre race AND post race foods to fuel up for long runs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭Running Fool


    Your mention of mainly running as a commute is interesting.
    But it's hard to see times as good as that coming from just running to and from work. What plan gave you the major jump to achieve such great times.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    Hi Ray

    You mentioned that you started running as a pre-emptive good example for your kids and this led you into coaching. You even set up the a little athletics program so your daughter could start club running a year earlier.

    Obviously youre someone who has succeeded in converting your consideration of your kids health and fitness into healthy and fit kids.

    Would you be able to share some of your knowledge, tips and tricks in the area of growing fit kids?

    e.g Practical Nutrition, other healthy enjoyable activities for kids, footwear etc.

    Anything you could share there would be great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    tang1 wrote: »
    Do you do any coaching?

    Yeah - my current schedule is u9-11 on Tuesdays, u12/13 on Thursdays, some of those ages on Saturday, and sometimes on Sunday. Last year there was Little Athletics most Wednesdays.

    I wouldn't say I'm a good coach. I'm picking up the technical stuff as we go along and doing the courses, so I usually know enough to instruct at least the younger groups. And I enjoy it, get on well with the kids. But I don't put a lot of thought into it.

    There's another guy (ex-juvenile member) who started coaching at the same time as me. He knows all the school competitions that are going on, has targets for all the kids in his group, has the sessions planned out a couple of months in advance... (they're all middle-distance sessions :pac: ) and he fits in his own training around the kids training. He has barely raced at all in the last three years. Or letyourselfgo on here, who has his gang of kids he trains and took a long break from training himself.

    I don't mind arranging my training to make time for coaching the kids. And while last year I made a point of not coaching on Tuesdays so I could run with the adults, I'm okay with going back to coaching now that the training plan I'm on doesn't fit the adult sessions. But my own running is my focus. I spend much more time thinking about my own training, my own races, than anything the kids have on. I start thinking about their stuff in the car on the way to training/races :o So I won't be a good coach (if ever) until I stop competing myself


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭aero2k


    RayCun wrote: »
    really, no idea

    BeepBeep and aero2k just keep getting better so maybe I can keep improving too, or maybe my legs will fall off or I'll plateau or I'll lose the will to keep training hard and shuffle more into coaching...?

    I don't have a long-term goal, either a race or a time

    Cheers Ray,

    Your progression has been an inspiration to me especially during those long months when I actually did believe one of my legs was about to fall off. I have kept an eye on your log and race results, but the table above really puts it in perspective.

    If you were only allowed one more race, which would you pick and why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    tang1 wrote: »
    Up and coming athlete in your club we should look out for?

    In the juveniles... letyourselfgo would know one of the girls in the club. She's good at everything - high jump, long jump, distance, sprints, hurdles, throws. National medals in some, Dublin medals in the others. But at that age you just don't know what will happen. Maybe she'll remain good at most things without really progressing in one event, and develop a weakness in one that will hold her back in multievents. Maybe we'll lose her to camogie, or she'll go off sport altogether as so many teenage girls do.
    tang1 wrote: »
    What do you believe is your strongest distance?

    Don't think I have one, all my times are roughly in line
    tang1 wrote: »
    Why do you always look so cross at races?

    Game face :mad::mad::mad::mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    annapr wrote: »
    Very impressive progress... it's so heartening to see your first 5k time :)

    first 5k race


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    RayCun wrote: »
    first 5k race

    Which one is you? None of those guys look cross!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    Hey Ray,

    Enjoying the Q&A's. Do you think not running marathons every year has been important to your progress?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    RayCun wrote: »
    first 5k race

    Good to see you learned to ditch the tracksuit bottoms and earphones :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Back when you started being a mod you were not shy in mentioning your lack of interest and knowledge in elite athletics. Fast forward a few years and you appear to now be a genuine fan of the sport at all levels, from elite to club to recreational. What brought about what has to be called quite a dramatic change? It's good to see, and if you become a mod ever again I promise not to give you quite as hard a time as before :)

    :pac::pac::pac:

    While you started running because you watched people on TV, I watch people on TV because I started running :)

    On my own, I probably would not have bothered going to the Morton games, Athlone meet etc, and I wouldn't have been at cross country races. But I'll bring my son (daughter too when she's a bit older) to them - it's an event for him, we enjoy the time, and I'm happy to develop his interest like that. I don't track how international athletes are performing, I tend to pay more attention to the people I've seen in person.
    Chivito550 wrote: »
    What are your track PBs? Any plans to bring them down this year?

    Very few track races.

    Mile PB of 5:32 in a BHAA race in 2012
    1500 of 5:09 in another BHAA race around the same time
    800 is 2:27, making up the numbers in last year's national league
    and the DNF in the national masters' 5k last year

    This year I'll be running most of the gradeds (distance option in each one), national league again (if selected!), Leinster and national masters... all injury permitting
    Chivito550 wrote: »
    What is your involvement with the graded meets?

    None, but they're organised by the Dublin Board and there's a report to the board meetings every month so I hear what's going on.
    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Have you ever been tempted to run a 400m race? What's the fastest all out effort you have done over one lap?

    Not in the slightest :)
    I learned (the basics of) how to throw a javelin, enough to compete badly, so I could coach it. There's a small possibility I'd do the same for the other throws, for the same reason. (I'd never be any good, no arm strength and no desire to develop it)
    We have plenty of coaches for jumps and sprints, I've no ability in those areas and that's fine with me. I don't see the point in doing something badly so I could say I've done it - checkbox mentality!

    So I've never run an all out 400, only ever as part of a session or a longer race. The closest would be the first lap of the 800 last year, which I think was 67 seconds.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    RayCun wrote: »
    :pac::pac::pac:

    While you started running because you watched people on TV, I watch people on TV because I started running :)

    On my own, I probably would not have bothered going to the Morton games, Athlone meet etc, and I wouldn't have been at cross country races. But I'll bring my son (daughter too when she's a bit older) to them - it's an event for him, we enjoy the time, and I'm happy to develop his interest like that. I don't track how international athletes are performing, I tend to pay more attention to the people I've seen in person.



    Very few track races.

    Mile PB of 5:32 in a BHAA race in 2012
    1500 of 5:09 in another BHAA race around the same time
    800 is 2:27, making up the numbers in last year's national league
    and the DNF in the national masters' 5k last year

    This year I'll be running most of the gradeds (distance option in each one), national league again (if selected!), Leinster and national masters... all injury permitting



    None, but they're organised by the Dublin Board and there's a report to the board meetings every month so I hear what's going on.



    Not in the slightest :)
    I learned (the basics of) how to throw a javelin, enough to compete badly, so I could coach it. There's a small possibility I'd do the same for the other throws, for the same reason. (I'd never be any good, no arm strength and no desire to develop it)
    We have plenty of coaches for jumps and sprints, I've no ability in those areas and that's fine with me. I don't see the point in doing something badly so I could say I've done it - checkbox mentality!

    So I've never run an all out 400, only ever as part of a session or a longer race. The closest would be the first lap of the 800 last year, which I think was 67 seconds.

    67 seconds followed by an 80?? That's the type of pacing you'd expect from a 100m sprinter attempting an 800 :)


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