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Dublin Bus - can anyone be happy with the price and service?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    The council, Gardai and db were the ones that put where bus stops would be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭VG31


    The stairs are positioned so badly nobody goes to the centre doors unless they see the person in front go that way

    That's a big problem with the bus design. The centre doors need to be a lot further forward.
    The centre doors on DM2 seems to be better. I haven't been on DM2 but from this photo it appears that the centre doors are further forward and passengers coming down the stairs will be able to see that they are open. Having the wheelchair bay in this position is much better as there is a lot more space for the wheelchair user to maneuver than the aisle from the front door. It would make a lot of sense for future buses to be designed like DM2.

    dm2-10.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    bk wrote: »
    Yes, exactly, which is why every single bus should have next stop displays and why those next stop displays should be large LCD screens that show the next few upcoming stops.

    So non native speakers can match the names on the screen to the address they have written down.

    I know ever bus now has next stop audio announcements, but that is really only useful to strong English speakers, specially on a noisy bus. If you have travelled on public transport in other foreign countries, you will know it is very hard to match what you think the stop name is versus how it is actually pronounced in Polish, German, etc. That is why next stop screens are so important and why better ones that show the next few stops to give you time to check are so necessary. The DB screens, with a single scrolling line that quickly flicks between English and Irish can be difficult to read even for native English speakers. It is a bad implementation.



    Every single route.

    And why not? Every city bus in Krakow, Warsaw and Gdansk has at least three doors, even their single deck buses do (similar size to the old DB single deckers on the 123 route). Their bendi buses have four doors. And it all leads to incredibly quick dwell times and vastly faster journey times then Dublin Bus.

    The Berlin bus that I showed earlier, is a large, high capacity, tri-axle, so obviously it wouldn't be used on every route, instead it would replace the DB VT class tri-axles on othe routes they are currently suited too like the 46A.

    However every other route could use a small version of this bus, also with three doors and two stairs, like the new routemaster in London, which is about the same size as DB's standard dual axle buses.



    Well if they can get the road and stop infrastructure right, then 4 door bendi buses that operate like the Luas (off bus ticketing and enter and leave via any door) will have greater capacity and faster dwell times due to the lack of stairs.

    Also better accessibility for elderly, disabled, etc.

    But I do think buses like this should be used on other DB routes.



    You mean DB has a piss poor history of bus stop design. Almost every single bus stop in Dublin was built by Dublin Bus, long before the NTA came into existence!



    The NTA are responsible for bus stops and they have been buying dual door buses for the last 3 year's but have not managed to look at any bus stops, now they have bought SGs that don't work with the cassel kerbs, well done someone should take a bow.
    Dublin bus was never responsible for bus stop location or size that before it was the responsibility of the NTA was the responsibility of local councils and the Gardai.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,922 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    bk wrote: »
    Every single route.

    yeah, the mountains of passengers using the 18 or the 26 require busses to have tripple door operation
    bk wrote: »
    And why not? Every city bus in Krakow, Warsaw and Gdansk has at least three doors, even their single deck buses do (similar size to the old DB single deckers on the 123 route). Their bendi buses have four doors. And it all leads to incredibly quick dwell times and vastly faster journey times then Dublin Bus.

    because their bus usage is huge. their city is set up for public transport operation. dublin is more or less a large town, its bus requirements are different to those cities bar on a couple of routes.
    bk wrote: »
    The Berlin bus that I showed earlier, is a large, high capacity, tri-axle, so obviously it wouldn't be used on every route, instead it would replace the DB VT class tri-axles on othe routes they are currently suited too like the 46A.
    However every other route could use a small version of this bus, also with three doors and two stairs, like the new routemaster in London, which is about the same size as DB's standard dual axle buses.

    believe me from my experience there are a number of routes in dublin that don't require double door never mind tripple or quadruple door busses. again, take my examples of the 18 or the 26, routes i used to use frequently
    bk wrote: »
    Well if they can get the road and stop infrastructure right, then 4 door bendi buses that operate like the Luas (off bus ticketing and enter and leave via any door) will have greater capacity and faster dwell times due to the lack of stairs.
    Also better accessibility for elderly, disabled, etc.

    or even better, just build a luas line instead
    bk wrote: »
    You mean DB has a piss poor history of bus stop design. Almost every single bus stop in Dublin was built by Dublin Bus, long before the NTA came into existence!

    and i'd imagine the councils had a lot of input into that as well as the department.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    The Irish roads are not designed or big enough to take buses such as the tri axle.
    The bendy bus was a disaster and don't see the new types been any better.

    Bus stops are impossible to get into as for parking of taxi, vans, cars, trucks and other buses/coaches.

    Having bus stops which curve in as what we have hear are dangerous and extremely difficult to actually get the bus in line with the curb especially a problem if it is dual door bus.

    Not everything is db's fault as I said before customer/passenger education of how to actually get about safley and give a little respect to others around them is something that should be taught.
    It's quite simple if you are in a vehicle that will move is moving that you actually hold on when standing but a lot seem to think that they will be ok not holding on and next minute they are falling about the place or hitting into others or banging off handrails.


    Recently I have found more then ever stepping off the bus and crossing the road right in front of the bus and not even looking which is absolutely idiotic.

    1 route at a time should be looked at and stops should be looked at how they can be improved.

    The buses which have been bought GT/SG do not work with the raised castle style curbing stops as the fronts are lower and hit these curbs hard and do scare drive and pedestrians around the bus with the loud bang and grinding sound.

    I find the GT front dipped beam lights are way too low on the bus and are not great for illuminating the road in front.

    Interior panels are quite squeeky and also ceiling panels are easily damaged which have come across plenty with fist holes.

    The stairs are positioned so badly nobody goes to the centre doors unless they see the person in front go that way and also the stair case is way too narrow and I find people to be slower to get down then ever in my experience of using them.

    The wipers are to small on driver side and could clear more of the windscreen to give a better vision.


    +1

    Cheap crappy design already squeaking worse than a 15 year old AV, ****ty top down wipers just drag the water to the top of the windscreen and then gravity pours it back down again.
    Stairs are badly positioned and upstairs is claustrophobic inducing. And the front of the bus is too low drags over normal kerbs never mind the cassel kerbing.

    Will be seen to have been a particularly bad buy in the not too distant future and no way will they run as long as the AV has.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    because their bus usage is huge. their city is set up for public transport operation. dublin is more or less a large town, its bus requirements are different to those cities bar on a couple of routes.

    Set up, what does it even mean? Krakow is a dense medieval city, similar in size to Dublin and with historical town centre pretty much inaccessible to public transport. Bus usage is huge because their bus (and tram) system actually works.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    because their bus usage is huge. their city is set up for public transport operation. dublin is more or less a large town, its bus requirements are different to those cities bar on a couple of routes.

    A large town.... also known as a city right? How are Dublin's "bus requirements" any way different?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    NCD wrote: »
    [I no longer have any problems with Dublin Bus from Lusk as I now use the Private coach from Lusk at 7.30 every morning on which I am guaranteed a seat and can commute in comfort, It is really great to see some competition I hope this private service continues as they treat people as valued customers rather than as Cattle.

    And does this private coach operate all day, evenings night time ? Saturday and Sunday? Bank holidays? Or is it just cherry picking a profitable time to operate and neglecting its"valued customers" when it isn't profitable to offer them a service.
    What would happen to public transport if this cherry picking was allowed wholesale do you think it would be good if a private company was allowed to just offer a service when it is profitable and who should operate the rest of the day, in the evenings, weekends ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 598 ✭✭✭stehyl15


    I really think dublin bus should invest in a few single deckers they are much more suitable for operating quiter routes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Stevek101


    They've a tender out for 3 new ones, presumably to replace the current ones on the 44b.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭VG31


    Stevek101 wrote: »
    They've a tender out for 3 new ones, presumably to replace the current ones on the 44b.

    They should buy more than 3. There's a lot of routes that are suitable for single deckers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    I think its down to servicing and parts mainly why double deckers are choice also single deckers would only be suitable off peak.

    What type of singles are they looking for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 598 ✭✭✭stehyl15


    single deckers would only be suitable off peak.
    but some local routes still are fairly empty even at peak hours like the 59


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭VG31


    stehyl15 wrote: »
    but some local routes still are fairly empty even at peak hours like the 59

    The 63 and 111 as well.

    There's some routes on the Northside like the 220 that are quite as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    The 220 is quiet because it barely ever runs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 598 ✭✭✭stehyl15


    VG31 wrote: »
    The 63 and 111 as well.

    The 63 would have about the same usership and frequency as the 75 or the 45A. I never really saw the point on the 111 it seems to be just a short of the 7 that barely ever operates


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,825 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    Bambi wrote: »
    The 220 is quiet because it barely ever runs.

    I've never had a problem with missing 220s. It's very very very circuitous especially in Finglas though, so not the highest profile route.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭thomasj


    dfx- wrote: »
    I've never had a problem with missing 220s. It's very very very circuitous especially in Finglas though, so not the highest profile route.

    In fairness it's up against the 17a which seems to be the more popular option for people going blanch to finglas and vice versa


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭Steodonn


    cdebru wrote: »
    We dont all pay taxes, some dont pay any tax and get to ride the bus for free, well free for them but you pay it for them so really its only €1.40 each really.

    Cant think of anyone in this country that dosnt pay some type of tax


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    It's a national holiday and all I'm seeing is huge crowds of people standing at bus stops and no real time information. Nice job public service!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Seven of us got a taxi to town for less than the bus. I was at the bus stop for near to an hour. I asked a driver walking around did he know the next time off hand. He grunted "Sunday times". I mean I realise there will be delays today but surely it was well known that St.Patrick's Day was coming up!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭MojoRisinnnn


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Seven of us got a taxi to town for less than the bus. I was at the bus stop for near to an hour. I asked a driver walking around did he know the next time off hand. He grunted "Sunday times". I mean I realise there will be delays today but surely it was well known that St.Patrick's Day was coming up!

    Probably the worst transportation service in all of Europe. Why in the name of god would they switch to Sunday Times on a day nearly everyone has off and will be looking to commute to various events around Dublin with the majority having a drink or two so the cars get left at home. It is seriously mind boggling how poor of a service it is


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Probably the worst transportation service in all of Europe. Why in the name of god would they switch to Sunday Times on a day nearly everyone has off and will be looking to commute to various events around Dublin with the majority having a drink or two so the cars get left at home. It is seriously mind boggling how poor of a service it is

    An alternative private company would have cleaned up today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭5star02707


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    It's a national holiday and all I'm seeing is huge crowds of people standing at bus stops and no real time information. Nice job public service!

    there are announcements but i would say not enough of them!

    old people who don't go to the internet to check the news would have no clue about the sunday time tables, re routing of each buses due to the parade etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    5star02707 wrote: »
    there are announcements but i would say not enough of them!

    old people who don't go to the internet to check the news would have no clue about the sunday time tables, re routing of each buses due to the parade etc.

    It's not run like a public service. They seem to think they're doing us a favour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,990 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    Speaking of the day that's in it, here's another classic:
    Iarnród Éireann expects lots of people to travel across Intercity services St. Patrick's day.... On DART and Commuter, a Sunday service will operate.

    http://www.irishrail.ie/news/stpatricksday


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    They also said that 'extra services' will operate before and after the parade, without specifying any more than this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,633 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Seven of us got a taxi to town for less than the bus. I was at the bus stop for near to an hour. I asked a driver walking around did he know the next time off hand. He grunted "Sunday times". I mean I realise there will be delays today but surely it was well known that St.Patrick's Day was coming up!
    Probably the worst transportation service in all of Europe. Why in the name of god would they switch to Sunday Times on a day nearly everyone has off and will be looking to commute to various events around Dublin with the majority having a drink or two so the cars get left at home. It is seriously mind boggling how poor of a service it is
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    It's not run like a public service. They seem to think they're doing us a favour.

    While I totally agree that a Sunday service is inappropriate for the day that is in it, I think that people need to appreciate that there is a wider issue here.

    The landscape has changed significantly, and now Dublin Bus are contracted by the NTA to provide the services. In other words, they do what the NTA tells them to do, and that unless specific funding is being provided for additional services, the company is not in a position to provide them.

    The provision of services is now fundamentally a funding issue - someone has to pay for them to operate. This is not dissimilar to Bus Eireann being expected to service small hamlets using commercial services and no subsidy being provided for serving them. People need to start lobbying politicians and the NTA to provide funding for an adequate service on St Patrick's Day, as what is there is not enough.
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    It's a national holiday and all I'm seeing is huge crowds of people standing at bus stops and no real time information. Nice job public service!

    Given that most routes are diverted around the city centre, the RTPI would not work as they are not following the standard route, and the predictive times are based on normal traffic conditions, which we don't have today.
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    An alternative private company would have cleaned up today.

    Paying public holiday rates of pay with no additional subsidy, I would doubt that. Again - someone has to pay for it.
    5star02707 wrote: »
    there are announcements but i would say not enough of them!

    old people who don't go to the internet to check the news would have no clue about the sunday time tables, re routing of each buses due to the parade etc.

    There were scrolling notices on the RTPI displays in the past few days about the diversions and timetables - you can hardly expect notices to be erected on over 7,000 individual bus stops. There is only so much that can be done. There are comprehensive notices about the diversions throughout the Dublin area on the website. Most older people would know that Sunday timetables apply on public holidays as that has been the case since the year dot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,633 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Bambi wrote: »
    The 220 is quiet because it barely ever runs.
    dfx- wrote: »
    I've never had a problem with missing 220s. It's very very very circuitous especially in Finglas though, so not the highest profile route.
    thomasj wrote: »
    In fairness it's up against the 17a which seems to be the more popular option for people going blanch to finglas and vice versa



    The 220 is effectively a local community bus route that operates every 90 minutes. It is there principally to provide a service for older people in the Corduff and Finglas areas.


    There is no need for a higher frequency on the route given that the 17a operates every 20 minutes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,633 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    NCD wrote: »
    [I no longer have any problems with Dublin Bus from Lusk as I now use the Private coach from Lusk at 7.30 every morning on which I am guaranteed a seat and can commute in comfort, It is really great to see some competition I hope this private service continues as they treat people as valued customers rather than as Cattle.



    For the record, once again this is down to the NTA who refused Dublin Bus permission for additional services on the 33X as they were of the view that the rail service which they were funding still had spare capacity.


    Now you and I would probably say that is nonsensical given that the station is some distance from Lusk, but that is the rationale.


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