Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

TheDoc · 17-02-2015 05:14PM

I know Bangkok got a lot of flack of the "how can a proffesional football not beat the first man on a corner" and rightly so, but I do have genuine gripes with players not being able to cross a football.

Valencia is the most obscure example of a proffesional football at an elite club, who looks to have CLEAR technical issues when trying to cross a football. How the coaching staff have not addressed this is baffling.

For everyone one good cross he hits, the other four are daisy cutting rockets that no one can do anything with.

Fair enough for someone slicing a cross or a bit of mis direction, but Valencia looks to be so off the beat of how to cross a football it's amazing it hasn't been rectified in all the years he has been at the club.

I used to play with a really good right back. Strong, quick, decent read of the game and was just rock solid. But he simply could not get lift on a ball. He's whole technique was based around side footing the ball. He couldn't strike a ball with his laces, he couldn't chip a ball and he just didn't "get" the technicals to how to manipulate a football.

For about 8 weeks he worked with me and my coach for kickouts, and then took over taking the corners on drills just to get him to learn how to lift a ball, and second half of the season he was whipping in crosses on a plate for strikers to take headers in.

Genuinely baffled byt it. Can only assume he's under some instruction to do what he does?

The Moldy Gowl · 17-02-2015 05:16PM

I'll play devils advocate again doc.

I guess the attacker should be at an advantage and be more fluid and can decide when to kick it, all the defender has to do is get in close and stick a leg near the ball.

It's just creating the half yard of space

TheDoc · 17-02-2015 05:19PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

I'll play devils advocate again doc.

I guess the attacker should be at an advantage and be more fluid and can decide when to kick it, all the defender has to do is get in close and stick a leg near the ball.

It's just creating the half yard of space

Like I'm sure he CAN cross a ball. I'm probably being dramatic in my previous post, but it's a rare sight to him actually cross a ball properly, and its like he looks really awkward or something.

Maximus Alexander · 17-02-2015 05:22PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Like I'm sure he CAN cross a ball. I'm probably being dramatic in my previous post, but it's a rare sight to him actually cross a ball properly, and its like he looks really awkward or something.

We know he can do it, he was swinging them in like a champion a few years back. But it's been so long now that it seems highly unlikely he'll ever get it back. I don't know what happened to him, but it looks like a mental block of some kind.

If United were playing with full backs and proper wingers, then I'd actually be fine with him at right back. But relying on him to provide any sort of width in attack is a lost cause at this stage.

The Moldy Gowl · 17-02-2015 05:29PM

Whenever he does cross, he is always in a right spot with the defender trying to block it too.
I think he just needs to use his strength and pace and create some space
But I have seen him hit in a few crosses in the last few games.

MythicalMadMan · 17-02-2015 05:47PM

I see nearly everyone picked valencia in stead of rafael for right back is that what people really want or is it cause LVG seems to have decided that?

Off the top of my head I can remember him keeping players onside by being out of position leading to chances in the last few games he has played in. Has been ok besides but he offers very little in an attacking threat.

Rafael is so much more direct when attacking and is easily as good a defender.

Seeing valencia in the team makes me sad. What are his crossing % like?

TheDoc · 17-02-2015 05:59PM

I' always have a preference for Rafael personally.

adox · 17-02-2015 06:18PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I' always have a preference for Rafael personally.

Ah I think the vast vast majority do.

bangkok · 17-02-2015 06:41PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I know Bangkok got a lot of flack of the "how can a proffesional football not beat the first man on a corner" and rightly so, but I do have genuine gripes with players not being able to cross a football.

Valencia is the most obscure example of a proffesional football at an elite club, who looks to have CLEAR technical issues when trying to cross a football. How the coaching staff have not addressed this is baffling.

For everyone one good cross he hits, the other four are daisy cutting rockets that no one can do anything with.

Fair enough for someone slicing a cross or a bit of mis direction, but Valencia looks to be so off the beat of how to cross a football it's amazing it hasn't been rectified in all the years he has been at the club.

I used to play with a really good right back. Strong, quick, decent read of the game and was just rock solid. But he simply could not get lift on a ball. He's whole technique was based around side footing the ball. He couldn't strike a ball with his laces, he couldn't chip a ball and he just didn't "get" the technicals to how to manipulate a football.

For about 8 weeks he worked with me and my coach for kickouts, and then took over taking the corners on drills just to get him to learn how to lift a ball, and second half of the season he was whipping in crosses on a plate for strikers to take headers in.

Genuinely baffled byt it. Can only assume he's under some instruction to do what he does?

He couldn't chip a ball but yet he was on the team? By any chance was he the manager!!

Why was I rightly slagged about corner taking but yet you have a problem with players who can't cross a ball in general play?! It's actually harder to cross a moving ball than a dead ball and you have plenty of time to strike a dead ball....

Al Capwned · 17-02-2015 06:51PM

Doc probably didn't play u21 for Ireland though pal, any man that can type that quick is surely LSL standard at best.

Backstreet Moyes · 17-02-2015 06:52PM

adox wrote: »

Ah I think the vast vast majority do.

Well anybody that doesn't must be mad.

bangkok · 17-02-2015 06:54PM

Al Capwned wrote: »

Doc probably didn't play u21 for Ireland though pal, any man that can type that quick is surely LSL standard at best.

He must have played decent level if they had a goalkeeper coach

Backstreet Moyes · 17-02-2015 06:54PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Whenever he does cross, he is always in a right spot with the defender trying to block it too.
I think he just needs to use his strength and pace and create some space
But I have seen him hit in a few crosses in the last few games.

He can't use anything to create space because defenders know what he is going to do everytime. He has only one way of attacking and it's pathetic for a winger at that level.

Al Capwned · 17-02-2015 06:59PM

bangkok wrote: »

He must have played decent level if they had a goalkeeper coach

I remember him saying he was a decent keeper alright. But I play with a team in the KDFL still, and our club has a GK coach - it's not as unusual as you might think.

Anyway back on topic,

#welldonefellaini

Rayne Wooney · 17-02-2015 07:10PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

I think Plan A is (or at least, is supposed to be) a slow, methodical build up, dominating possession and waiting to find the small hole that arises to exploit. Problem is, our wingers/midfielders seem to struggle with that through ball, and when they do get it, our strikers aren't quick/alert enough to take advantage of it. We're doing ok defensively, defending through possession, but we don't have the attacking options to capitalise.

Plan B then is All Out Attack, lumping it into the box, shot after shot, trying to overwhelm them, with the likes of Fel taking center stage.

The small holes never arise because the movement and positioning isn't being coached properly or the players we have don't understand it, whatever way it's spun we almost always end up crossing it despite having a wealth of attacking players that should be able to play more direct on the ground football

Watch how Chelsea play at their best this season, every pass has a purpose, players moving to create space for another pass or another run, that's methodical build up. People have moaned about Falcao but he would be scoring the same as Costa given the service

A chance to watch Marquinhos against some good opposition tonight

keane2097 · 17-02-2015 07:24PM

Think he got injured at the weekend.

bmcc10 · 17-02-2015 07:28PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Think he got injured at the weekend.

#welldonefellani

keane2097 · 17-02-2015 07:33PM

What was that insult word we had for people in the last superthread again?

Vic Vinegar · 17-02-2015 07:36PM

keane2097 wrote: »

What was that insult word we had for people in the last superthread again?

Gobobbles.

newballsplease · 17-02-2015 07:41PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Well anybody that doesn't must be mad.

The manager is Mad so !

Deiseboy01 · 17-02-2015 07:58PM

If we lined up in a 433 formation does the Chelsea line up tonight outrank us man for man?

I think it does.

Post 200m spend or thereabouts thats pretty depressing.

KH25 · 17-02-2015 08:04PM

Seeing Valencia in the team infuriates me. He's a winger, not a defender. When he defends he often gets dragged out of position/follows the wrong attacker/plays someone onside. He's had some solid games this season but very little to write home about.

When it comes to attacking, He is afraid to use his left, he looks to lay it off every time, and his crosses have become dreadful. The right hand side is severely weakened by having him in the team.

MagicMarker · 17-02-2015 08:06PM

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

If we lined up in a 433 formation does the Chelsea line up tonight outrank us man for man?

I think it does.

Post 200m spend or thereabouts thats pretty depressing.

How much did their starting 11 cost?

nicklauski · 17-02-2015 08:57PM

Al Capwned wrote: »

I remember him saying he was a decent keeper alright. But I play with a team in the KDFL still, and our club has a GK coach -

Castle Villa?

Deiseboy01 · 17-02-2015 09:00PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

How much did their starting 11 cost?

A lot

fuzzydunlop85 · 17-02-2015 09:05PM

Would love to have verrati in our team, great player.

Deiseboy01 · 17-02-2015 09:05PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

How much did their starting 11 cost?

Serious answer is probably in the region of our 11? Don't have the figures but if anything id say we might have the slightly more expensive first choice 11.

Anyone know?

Would be very damning if that's the case and they win all the 1 v 1's

Montroseee · 17-02-2015 09:12PM

Anyone watching the Shaktar game? Good display from the home side, few players I wouldn't mind seeing in a UTD. shirt next season like Costa and Fernando in particular.

niallo27 · 17-02-2015 09:21PM

Montroseee wrote: »

Anyone watching the Shaktar game? Good display from the home side, few players I wouldn't mind seeing in a UTD. shirt next season like Costa and Fernando in particular.

What did alonso get sent off for.

Quandary · 17-02-2015 09:23PM

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Would love to have verrati in our team, great player.

Was just going to say the same thing. As Keano said about Scholes - "there's something nasty about him"

Only 22 and he plays like a midfielder in is prime years. A bit wild maybe but quality all the same.

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