Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

bangkok · 12-02-2015 02:20PM

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I'd drop falcao and play mata just behind Rooney in that line up

yea good option to have and I would be happy to see that as well.

The Moldy Gowl · 12-02-2015 02:21PM

When ye say 4th, do ye mean 4th/3rd or have ye resigned 3rd?

I would be slightly disappointed with 4th

bangkok · 12-02-2015 02:23PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

When ye say 4th, do ye mean 4th/3rd or have ye resigned 3rd?

I would be slightly disappointed with 4th

you really need to be aiming for top 3 at this stage even 2nd spot, don't want to be playing an early tricky European qualifier next year away in turkey or somewhere

PhlegmyMoses · 12-02-2015 02:29PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

When ye say 4th, do ye mean 4th/3rd or have ye resigned 3rd?

I would be slightly disappointed with 4th

I mean 4th. We are playing turgid football but not really losing so scraping through to the CL would be about all our play deserves thus far.

The games coming up after the next 3 are as tough as it gets so I don't hold out much hope of getting many points on the board there.

If even 2 or 3 of our top players were to hit some form then 3rd is there for the taking but, as it stands, I would accept 4th, a decent cup run and some major surgery to our team in the summer.

The Moldy Gowl · 12-02-2015 02:36PM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

I mean 4th. We are playing turgid football but not really losing so scraping through to the CL would be about all our play deserves thus far.

The games coming up after the next 3 are as tough as it gets so I don't hold out much hope of getting many points on the board there.

If even 2 or 3 of our top players were to hit some form then 3rd is there for the taking but, as it stands, I would accept 4th, a decent cup run and some major surgery to our team in the summer.

I would be grand with 4th too but not writing off third. Seems the most get table.

2nd isn't that far off either. 5 points. If we beat man city then it's 2, then I'll want 2nd. Big if though.

Rayne Wooney · 12-02-2015 02:52PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Can't really say we were really lucky Liverpool were poor back then when we were unlucky in the other games - had a ton of chances against Spurs to win the game and were in relative control against City before Smalling got himself sent off.

Spurs first half is Van Gaal's Leverkusen best we've played all season but we didn't score and we were awful in the second half if I remember correctly, City you have a point

dor843088 · 12-02-2015 02:53PM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

I mean 4th. We are playing turgid football but not really losing so scraping through to the CL would be about all our play deserves thus far.

The games coming up after the next 3 are as tough as it gets so I don't hold out much hope of getting many points on the board there.

If even 2 or 3 of our top players were to hit some form then 3rd is there for the taking but, as it stands, I would accept 4th, a decent cup run and some major surgery to our team in the summer.

The manager needs major surgery. Iv lost faith in lvg . "Tactical genius" please. You only have to view the stats to see we are as blunt as a hammer and with a strikeforce thqt was deemed an "embarrassment of riches " at the start of the season.

Vic Vinegar · 12-02-2015 03:05PM

dor843088 wrote: »

The manager needs major surgery. Iv lost faith in lvg . "Tactical genius" please. You only have to view the stats to see we are as blunt as a hammer and with a strikeforce thqt was deemed an "embarrassment of riches " at the start of the season.

4th highest scorers in the league
3rd best defence
2nd best home record
3rd least amounts of defeats
1 defeat in 18

Yeah, awful stats alright.

TheDoc · 12-02-2015 03:06PM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

4th highest scorers in the league
3rd best defence
2nd best home record
3rd least amounts of defeats
1 defeat in 18

Yeah, awful stats alright.

Chances created per game from December 26th is rough reading I'd imagine...(havn't actually seen them mind you)

PhlegmyMoses · 12-02-2015 03:07PM

dor843088 wrote: »

The manager needs major surgery. Iv lost faith in lvg . "Tactical genius" please. You only have to view the stats to see we are as blunt as a hammer and with a strikeforce thqt was deemed an "embarrassment of riches " at the start of the season.

If he doesn't get CL football after that level of spending and some of the players available to him, his position will become precarious. As it stands we are only 5 points behind last year's champions. 3rd was around where I expected at the start of the season.

I'll be reserving judgement until the end of the season. One thing we can all agree on is that we are not playing well.

The Moldy Gowl · 12-02-2015 03:08PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Chances created per game from December 26th is rough reading I'd imagine...(havn't actually seen them mind you)

Only positive stats are allowed from now on.

It's literally the only way to battle against the hyperbole.

bangkok · 12-02-2015 03:24PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Chances created per game from December 26th is rough reading I'd imagine...(havn't actually seen them mind you)

http://www.squawka.com/teams/manchester-united/stats#performance-score#english-barclays-premier-league#season-2014/2015#126#all-matches#19-25#by-match

good website for all your stats

our 3rd highest scorer of all time has a shooting accuracy of 0% for the last 6 games.... not even a single shot

TheDoc · 12-02-2015 03:28PM

bangkok wrote: »

http://www.squawka.com/teams/manchester-united/stats#performance-score#english-barclays-premier-league#season-2014/2015#126#all-matches#19-25#by-match

good website for all your stats

our 3rd highest scorer of all time has a shooting accuracy of 0% for the last 6 games.... not even a single shot

Cheers for that, there goes my afternoon in work!

9th in the chances created table since the Spurs draw

The Moldy Gowl · 12-02-2015 03:33PM

Chance conversion would be better no?

Mantis Toboggan · 12-02-2015 03:40PM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

If he doesn't get CL football after that level of spending and some of the players available to him, his position will become precarious. As it stands we are only 5 points behind last year's champions. 3rd was around where I expected at the start of the season.

I'll be reserving judgement until the end of the season. One thing we can all agree on is that we are not playing well.

I really can't see LVG staying In the job if we don't get champions League football next season. I also would be slow giving him money given how poor last summers transfers turned out.

dor843088 · 12-02-2015 03:46PM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

4th highest scorers in the league
3rd best defence
2nd best home record
3rd least amounts of defeats
1 defeat in 18

Yeah, awful stats alright.

Im sure thats the next statistical pamphlet lvg will be handing out to rebuff justified criticism.

bangkok · 12-02-2015 03:50PM

if we do qualify for champions league next season, we wont be going in as top seeds as the format has now changed, so we could potentially be in a group with Real Madrid, Roma, ajax and ourselves.

Honest question, do ye think van gaal is the man to lead us against those teams considering his style of play?

The_Kew_Tour · 12-02-2015 03:53PM

Lets just hope we can get top 4 first and then we worry about group.

bangkok · 12-02-2015 03:58PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Lets just hope we can get top 4 first and then we worry about group.

yea just thinking down the line, if we do get top 4 but the standard of football doesn't get better would you be happy to keep the current manager?

Bandana boy · 12-02-2015 04:01PM

i would love it after every game the opposing manager Trolled LVG and made up a negative trait about the UTD team. I think the weekly LVG refute presentation would be pure ratings.
I can get them started
Long Ball Utd
Hacker UTD
Hatcher utd
Dainty walk utd

bangkok · 12-02-2015 04:08PM

Bandana boy wrote: »

i would love it after every game the opposing manager Trolled LVG and made up a negative trait about the UTD team. I think the weekly LVG refute presenation would be pure ratings.
I can get them started
Long Ball Utd
Hacker UTD
Hatcher utd
Dainty walk utd

backpass utd
sideways utd
not utd

12-02-2015 04:12PM

Bandana boy wrote: »

i would love it after every game the opposing manager Trolled LVG and made up a negative trait about the UTD team. I think the weekly LVG refute presentation would be pure ratings.
I can get them started
Long Ball Utd
Hacker UTD
Hatcher utd
Dainty walk utd

Top 4 United

Back in champions league United.

adox · 12-02-2015 04:38PM

bangkok wrote: »

yea just thinking down the line, if we do get top 4 but the standard of football doesn't get better would you be happy to keep the current manager?

Yes.

bangkok · 12-02-2015 04:39PM

deepdale next, anyone remember these 2 lads playing there..

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Lord TSC · 12-02-2015 04:50PM

bangkok wrote: »

yea just thinking down the line, if we do get top 4 but the standard of football doesn't get better would you be happy to keep the current manager?

Yes.

Last season, when it was clear Moyes wasn't working and we were going to miss the top 4, a lot of people gave out about the idea of swapping a manager so quickly; that they didn't want to become like other clubs who swap managers out every year just because they barely missed set targets. And the counter argument was that Moyes was missing easy enough goals which had been reduced time and time again (title challenge, no the top of the pack after the top 2, no top 4, no top 5, no top 6 but with nice football, etc). And that if a manager came in and achieved a goal, they should keep their job; that it wouldn't be a spoiled attitude of changing the manager over and over cause there wasn't instant success.

So at the start of the year, the general consensus was that Top 4 was the goal for this year. And as of this moment, LVG is achieving that. And in your hypothetical, you're asking if we should sack him if he achieves the goal everyone (or at least the majority) would have been happy with. Of course he should keep his job.

If he gets us back into Europe, with the defense problems, with the injury problems and with the poor form, then I'd say of course he keeps going. It would be the height of hypocrisy, after years of poking fun at other clubs, if a manager achieves a goal and we turf him out anyway.

UnitedIrishman · 12-02-2015 05:00PM

Speaking of chance creation - anyone know where a man could find a list of chances created against us?

bmcc10 · 12-02-2015 05:03PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Even if Rooney played the pass there is no way Falcao would have reached it before defenders. He runs slower than Berba. It's just a waste of effort to even think about through balls with Falcao and RVP as strikers.

There was a point in the 1st half yesterday when Burnley had a corner and Di Maria broke with the ball and was fouled, Falcao took off after him and I was shocked with the speed he had.

12-02-2015 05:04PM

Liam O wrote: »

You honestly must be mixing them up because Evans ran through defense and midfield at least 2 times I can remember, once even continuing to the box for an attempted header. Also played some fantastic long balls(with his weaker foot) out to Di Maria on the right.

Honestly don't see why Smalling can get so much slack. I did think the defense as a whole were playing too deep and were put under undue pressure because of it. Evans played more like he does on the left side of a back 3 which was annoying but understandable given that's where he's played most this season. I think him on the right and Rojo on the left which hasn't really been tried is the way to go. Maybe playing a player on his strongest side will bring better performances in the shock of the season.

I think Evans has been shunted around more than the other 2 due to being a far better footballer than them and it's hindered him.

That was Smalling! I think you've actually confused them. I remember it because Smalling was on a hat trick at that stage. I found the play also, it begins 75 mins and 16 seconds into the match. Here's a link to the match. 24 mins 5 seconds into the 2nd half video. Want to know what you think.
Link

UnitedIrishman · 12-02-2015 05:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That was Smalling! I think you've actually confused them. I remember it because Smalling was on a hat trick at that stage. I found the play also, it begins 75 mins and 16 seconds into the match. Here's a link to the match. 24 mins 5 seconds into the 2nd half video. Want to know what you think.
Link

There was one by Evans in the first half. Towards the end of the first half - he played a one two with Di Maria (I think) and bombed into the box for the cross but it didn't reach him.

dor843088 · 12-02-2015 05:09PM

What do people think of mcnairs performance last night ? Had a great game I thought .

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