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Well i can`t put bf in the same context as hardlines,i don`t think there that much the same,to me it does`nt feel that way,i think the mechanics of the game feels more different,it feels static there no flow to it,even jumping into a car or a jeep feels crap,you think your playing tron,well thats how they steer and with small maps and no destruction,you`d think a lot of fan boys go together and tried to make a bf game and failed big time so i`d put this more as a cod game than a bf one,and we know how we all feel about cod games
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paul_booth_fan wrote: »I'm fairly confident Battlefield 5 will knock everything outta the park. It's not going to be made for the older consoles so they won't have to tone anything down or make compromises regarding content/quality. DICE admitted it several times that old gen consoles held them back from making the game they wanted, even during BF3, let alone BF4 so I'm cautiously optimistic.
Sure BF4 is still too Battlefieldy to attract all the COD kiddies(fortunately). That's where Hardline comes in, it's the gateway drug for the franchise. I said it months ago that I wouldn't touch the damn game. To me it looks like a horrendously watered down and twitchy version of a Battlefield game and I've seen nothing from the beta to sway my opinion. Let's be honest though, it's a demo. The full game launches in 6 weeks so they ain't gonna be making wholesale changes at this stage. I've still seen trade kills, randomly falling over dead, false reloads, dying from 5 foot drops, super arcady driving and going around in circles for points......really???
I'm just crossing my fingers Insurgency comes over to the PS4.
Surprised that you didnt even try it though Darren, I actually think you would have enjoyed it. I didnt have much hopes for it after seeing the same videos you did but I tried it and I thought it was very good and im actually looking forward to picking it up now. The maps arent as small as you think, they are well designed, and the gun mechanics and overall gameplay is far superior to BF4. I ddint have one "netcode" issue in roughly 12-14 hours of gameplay and had a hell of a lot of fun. The reason why I enjoyed it is because its a lot more focused and balanced than BF4, 90% of the time it comes down to simple gun play and that's what I like. Its not a twitchy shooter, I have seen some youtubers complain that the time to kill is quicker, and it might be slightly quicker but its far from game breaking.
Ive no issue with someone saying its not for them and it doesnt feel like battlefield, and I understand that argument ...but at least try it out before you come to that decision, especially seeing as though it was free
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especially seeing as though it was free
The "free" argument is being used by most people in support of the Beta but you have to remember that the overall presentation of the game is different than the others. The game mechanics might be improved but the environment plays a massive role. People have rejected playing Mass Effect due to it being a Sci-fi game but praising Dragon Age for it's medieval setting and vice versa even though the Bioware team shared most mechanics and gameplay across both projects.
Do you want to be a soldier or a cop/criminal? Hardline just seems to be Battlefield 4 Advanced CTE Edition. It's pumping out games too frequently to be making a sufficient change in my opinion. Also, I can charge you €75 to kick you in the face or I can offer it for free but the fact remains regardless of price, it's still a kick in the face.0 -
•The maps arent as small as you think, they are well designed, and the gun mechanics and overall gameplay is far superior to BF4.
•I didn't have one "netcode" issue in roughly 12-14 hours of gameplay and had a hell of a lot of fun.
•Its not a twitchy shooter, I have seen some youtubers complain that the time to kill is quicker, and it might be slightly quicker but its far from game breaking.
•The 2 maps so far look small. Could be the fact the capture points are huge, distorting the overall map size. It's much easier designing a map around the fact you've zero armour to accommodate as well. Some of the maps not seen in the "Beta" are even smaller again. As for the gameplay aspect, the "Beta" is only a week old and Hotwire is already in trouble of being broken. Players have easily built up enough money to buy the RPG for the trunk of their car by now, turning the gamemode into an RPG spam fest. At least that makes driving in circles a challenge now I guess.
•Maybe I'm exceptionally lucky, but I can't remember the last time I had a "netcode" issue in the last 12-14 days on BF4. Trade kills have drastically reduced(thanx to the lower damage model), kills around corners are now a rarity since the last patch.
•The new, very low time to kill is what makes it a twitch shooter. Say what you want about increased recoil(almost a non issue on PC anyway) and reduced aim assist for consoles etc, but from what I've seen, it's almost always first to shoot wins. Increased rate of fire with sniper rifles, reduced bullet drop, return of Magnum ammo etc. It's almost as if they were aiming at a specific demographic or something......Ive no issue with someone saying its not for them and it doesnt feel like battlefield, and I understand that argument ...but at least try it out before you come to that decision, especially seeing as though it was free
The next COD demo could be free but I wouldn't play that either. Doesn't interest me at all, just like Hardline.
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paul_booth_fan wrote: »•The 2 maps so far look small. Could be the fact the capture points are huge, distorting the overall map size. It's much easier designing a map around the fact you've zero armour to accommodate as well. Some of the maps not seen in the "Beta" are even smaller again. As for the gameplay aspect, the "Beta" is only a week old and Hotwire is already in trouble of being broken. Players have easily built up enough money to buy the RPG for the trunk of their car by now, turning the gamemode into an RPG spam fest. At least that makes driving in circles a challenge now I guess.
•Maybe I'm exceptionally lucky, but I can't remember the last time I had a "netcode" issue in the last 12-14 days on BF4. Trade kills have drastically reduced(thanx to the lower damage model), kills around corners are now a rarity since the last patch.
•The new, very low time to kill is what makes it a twitch shooter. Say what you want about increased recoil(almost a non issue on PC anyway) and reduced aim assist for consoles etc, but from what I've seen, it's almost always first to shoot wins. Increased rate of fire with sniper rifles, reduced bullet drop, return of Magnum ammo etc. It's almost as if they were aiming at a specific demographic or something......
The next COD demo could be free but I wouldn't play that either. Doesn't interest me at all, just like Hardline.
I had a big spiel typed out about how the conquest map i played was easily bigger than the likes of Zavod311 and Hainan etc and that Heist is far from broken etc but then I clicked on a link and it refreshed the window and I couldnt be arshed typing it out again.
End of the day, Im just a big battlefield fan, look forward to playing every expansion pack, this was free, after watching videos from JF \ LVLCP\ XFCTOR\ BDGR etc wasnt expecting much from it at all but said feck it ill give it a whirl and I was pleasantly surprised, and the vast majority of battlefield fans I know who tried it thought similar.
For those who have played it and dont like it, fine, I can understand it mightnt be everyone's cup of tea, but what i cant understand is somebody offering an opinion on a game they havent played and making statements on the game play like "its too twitchy" or "Heist is broken" when they havent played it. thats all, also whats the point of that vid? All he says is that he enjoys it but its more of a demo than a beta..as it doesnt have all maps and content..which is true. Dice have always called their Beta's demos, they also released the Beta for Hardlines last year, got bad feedback and then delayed the game, which is what they should have done with BF40 -
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So does that mean you wont be buying or trying battlefront as its using the same engine and mechanics as BF4?
hope you don't whine as much in hardlines as you did in bf4 when you were shot lol, hardlines is built to make you die every 10 seconds and you will lose your voice :P
Knowing DICE and EA they will most likely destroy battlefront, however i would give them the benefit of the doubt, but the frostbite engine in it's current state is terribly broken in many aspects and if you have games like plants vs zombies or need for speed rivals you would see this is just as evident in those games also, with patch after patch in gigabytes of size to patch small issues that should never have gotten past QA in the first place.
I've actually played the alpha and beta of hardlines on PC and PS4 and i will say I'm quite disappointed in the map size and confinements and lack of destruction specially around buildings in dust bowl motel, surrounding buildings. Someone mentioned DICE LA and Visceral turned off destruction to save the servers from stress but that makes no sense in a server stress test in the first place. The whole thing about spawn in the hot zones and getting lathered with bullets straight away is not something a conquest player wants or is tolerable of and is another reason i won't be getting this cod-esque game because i just don't like CQC gameplay. This game went gold well before this beta/demo came out so not a lot will change and we all know that's the case after it's launched in 2-3 weeks approx..
Roll on the next battlefield i say
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For those who have played it and dont like it, fine, I can understand it mightnt be everyone's cup of tea, but what i cant understand is somebody offering an opinion on a game they havent played and making statements on the game play like "its too twitchy" or "Heist is broken" when they havent played it. thats all, also whats the point of that vid? All he says is that he enjoys it but its more of a demo than a beta..as it doesnt have all maps and content..which is true. Dice have always called their Beta's demos, they also released the Beta for Hardlines last year, got bad feedback and then delayed the game, which is what they should have done with BF4
I did say that maybe the size of the capture points around the flags distorted the size of the map. The burn area seemed huge relative to the map itself. So I'll accept the maps perhaps aren't as small as I initially thought. There are some even smaller maps in the full game though.
My opinion on the game is based on the videos from those youtubers you mention. I understand your view point, but personally, I don't need to play a game to know it's not for me. The demo is very much a twitch shooter(I actually have no issue with this). The super low time to kill inherently makes it a twitch shooter. I've no objection to having a low time to kill in context though. I thoroughly enjoy BF4 hardcore mode and I really hope Insurgency gets a console port sooner rather than later. My issue is that Hardline is essentially an infantry centric game that has made a conscious decision to stay away from skill based gunfights. Quickness over accuracy basically. Granted, it's for fun, and I've no doubt people have fun playing it. It's just not for me. Whatever people may say about Ronku and EA buying positive reviews etc, you've only got to listen to the Xfactor/Jack Frags/Matimi0 'Squad Up'. They're genuinely having a blast playing it and I've no reason to doubt that.
Regarding my statement on Heist mode; considering Heist is centered on capturing vehicles and driving around to hold the capture point, do you not honestly feel that everyone running around with RPGs kinda weakens the gamemode? Again, if it adds to your enjoyment of it then so be it, I just think it's an oversight on DICEs part.
I'm a huge Battlefield fan as well, but I like the somewhat(sometimes......) slower paced tactical aspects of it. I'm not hating on anyone that enjoys Hardline and is going to buy it. It's just not for me.
Edit: the video just mirrors my view on the "Beta" concept. I just accidentally included it in my first rant 0 -
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