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Limerick school apologises for Charlie Hebdo

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Cheese Wagstaff


    It's clear what has to be done. Tonight, we must move forward, not backward. Upward, not forward. And always twirling, twirling, TWIRLING towards freedom!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    I don't this crap starting in my city. The one thing I love about Limerick is that you can joke or point fun at anything. It's never intended to be harmful. If this crap starts, especially in a school teaching "free speech", then I'll crack up. You think I got offended when I seen one of the lads wearing a Cradle of filth t shirt saying "Jesus is a c*nt"? F*ck off


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    This. Agree completely.

    I'm from Limerick and I know this school very well.

    Am surprised they veered from their ethos.


    They didn't? Their ethos is multi-denominational, not non-denominational? They respect all faiths and none.

    bjork wrote: »
    I find it interesting the woman chose to stay anonymous


    Not enough belief and conviction in your religion to stand public misses?


    The family haven't chosen to remain anonymous? Check the front of the morning papers. The child's father is an Algerian muslim living in Ireland 15 years.

    It's the way certain media outlets have chosen to spin the story to create a bit of hysteria that leaves you lacking in the facts.

    Ironic, isn't it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    They didn't? Their ethos is multi-denominational, not non-denominational? They respect all faiths and none.





    The family haven't chosen to remain anonymous? Check the front of the morning papers. The child's father is an Algerian muslim living in Ireland 15 years.

    It's the way certain media outlets have chosen to spin the story to create a bit of hysteria that leaves you lacking in the facts.

    Ironic, isn't it?
    the journal, the limerick leader, the times and the independent all say she wishes to remain anonymous


    What papers are you reading?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Kinda conflicted by the story too, in the same way I'm conflicted by CH handling of the affair generally.

    No problem with ET or their education on free speech (I'm an atheist, would love to see secular education being the norm in Ireland, despise religious fundamentalists and support CH right to free speech) but I just have this slightly uncomfortable feeling about sending your kid into a school discussion about free speech (which again, the discussion is great) with something that essentially uses free speech to troll people's faith. There's something of the fart-smelling, circle jerk of boards about it, to be honest.

    Not that I give a fcuk about the rights of fundamentalists not to be trolled, but there's every chance the offended kid's parents didn't fall into that bracket.

    Again, I think there's a way to lampoon and oppose religion without striving to be across the board offensive to people who have faith, no matter how ridiculous we think that faith is.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    RWCNT wrote: »
    Fair play to her.

    Charlie Hebdo is offensive crap, I'm an atheist and I wouldn't want someone showing my kids that crap either.

    Getting pretty tiresome seeing people bleat about their beloved "freedom of speech" and showing no grasp of the responsibilities that come with it. Also funny how people think the fact that ****-rag was offensive towards every religion somehow makes it acceptable.

    Which is why it should've sparked debate and not offence.

    I'm not religionist, I hate all organised religion equally :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    I don't this crap starting in my city. The one thing I love about Limerick is that you can joke or point fun at anything. It's never intended to be harmful. If this crap starts, especially in a school teaching "free speech", then I'll crack up. You think I got offended when I seen one of the lads wearing a Cradle of filth t shirt saying "Jesus is a c*nt"? F*ck off

    What would you think of someone who dressed their primary school child in a t shirt like that for going to class?

    Exercising their right to free speech or exercising their right to insult, abuse, and provoke?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    bjork wrote: »
    the journal, the limerick leader, the times and the independent all say she wishes to remain anonymous


    What papers are you reading?


    Front of the STAR newspaper, caught my eye this morning in Gleesons on Henry St. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭W123-80's


    Vomit wrote: »
    From 2009:




    You think they were wrong to fire him and for him to face trial? All bigotry is disgusting.

    I am genuinely a bit confused.. he made a suggestion that a Jew liked money?? A poor stereotype and a bit of an insult but hardly a firing offence..
    They regularly cast Allah as a bomber and other typical stereotypes and that is seen as free speech..
    Why the double standards?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    its a school, you wouldn't allow some kid to bring in a paper that denied the holocaust or something.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭mickstupp


    You would be ok with a child bringing a porno mag to school to show your kids? Would you not be offended?
    I would be surprised if that didn't happen anyway. Happened numerous times when I was in school. If a school contacted me to say my child was being suspended for bringing in a pornographic magazine, I'd warn him/her not to be so stupid, we have the internet now, there's no need to be wasting his/her money. Then I'd probably realise that he/she needs some proper sex ed. sooner rather than later, which has never been done properly in this country anyway.

    If anyone thinks porn isn't shown and shared regularly in our schools, then they're fooling themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    I don't this crap starting in my city.


    You own the city all to yourself or something?

    The one thing I love about Limerick is that you can joke or point fun at anything. It's never intended to be harmful.


    This wasn't a joke, it's a school where children are supposed to be sent to be educated, not mocked, by the teachers no less!

    The girl who brought the magazine into school apologised to the other child afterwards for any offence caused, y'know, like mature adults should be able to do, instead of bleating on about their "right to free speech" (right to be an inconsiderate arse hole).

    If this crap starts, especially in a school teaching "free speech", then I'll crack up.


    You may commence cracking up. The school doesn't teach free speech; quite the opposite actually - it teaches respect for all faiths and none.

    You think I got offended when I seen one of the lads wearing a Cradle of filth t shirt saying "Jesus is a c*nt"? F*ck off


    You didn't, but then you're not an 11 year old child (you're not, right? Just checking!), and it was the 11 year old child who requested that the teacher put the magazine away as it was offensive to his religion. We often praise children around here for standing up for themselves. What's different in this case?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭conorhal


    What would you think of someone who dressed their primary school child in a t shirt like that for going to class?

    Exercising their right to free speech or exercising their right to insult, abuse, and provoke?

    IMO the teacher handled the situation correctly, the school was however wrong to issue an apology to the parents for handling the situation correctly. The undue defference to it displays is the kind of over sensitivity towards offending minorities that lays the seeds for a Rotherham on these shores.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    What would you think of someone who dressed their primary school child in a t shirt like that for going to class?

    Exercising their right to free speech or exercising their right to insult, abuse, and provoke?

    Well that's more to do with a child having inappropriate language on the T shirt rather than anything else. They should be wearing uniforms anyway. A kid wearing a Rangers jersey to school in Ireland would probably cause more problems than that!

    Also, "The magazine was produced by a student during a discussion on the French Revolution and freedom of speech."

    Freedom of speech and respecting all religions just don't go hand in hand I'm afraid.

    If I have the right to exercise freedom of speech and I have to apologise for what I say because it offends someones religion, then how the f*ck is that freedom of speech?

    You own the city all to yourself or something?

    This wasn't a joke, it's a school where children are supposed to be sent to be educated, not mocked, by the teachers no less!

    The girl who brought the magazine into school apologised to the other child afterwards for any offence caused, y'know, like mature adults should be able to do, instead of bleating on about their "right to free speech" (right to be an inconsiderate arse hole).

    You may commence cracking up. The school doesn't teach free speech; quite the opposite actually - it teaches respect for all faiths and none.

    You didn't, but then you're not an 11 year old child (you're not, right? Just checking!), and it was the 11 year old child who requested that the teacher put the magazine away as it was offensive to his religion. We often praise children around here for standing up for themselves. What's different in this case?

    Be careful there that you don't fall off your high horse!

    I grew up in Limerick, I know the place inside out and the manner in which we joke about is something that I found very unique to the place. You can slag about anything and it's taken as a joke. I don't want that to change to the point where everybody is offended about everything. Those people can f*ck off.

    Ok, I've an example :

    I was threatened to be kicked out of school because I didn't want to attend religion class as it's full of crap that I didn't believe in. Where is my apology? I got over it. Christ above like.

    It's offensive to his religion? Well then tough sh1t! F*ck off somewhere else! You integrate into our culture, not the other way around. You think I went around Canada when I moved there telling everyone they have to go on the lash every weekend all weekend and slagging everyone? No! I learned my limits there and made an effort to integrate. If I wanted to get citizenship there, I have swear allegiance to the queen, I need to do English tests, crap that I think is stupid, but that's their country, not mine.

    Unless you are socially retarded, you should know the limits and learn to bite your tongue even if something annoys you. Last time I checked, Ireland wasn't a Muslim state. If you come here to live, then live as we do and don't be expecting special treatment.

    Remember the film American History X? He was told to write about a struggle for civil rights and he did it about Mein Kampf? It will offend people but under instruction, these are the topics that may be legitimately discussed!

    Pah, Freedom of speech my hole. Next thing you know you'll be bleeped out for every single non PC thing that is said

    Just to add, if you moved to an Islamic country, would you try to change all their things? No, you would learn to integrate. You would know not to do certain things like draw pictures of Mohammed and show the soles of your feet etc. Get a grip.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Ranchu


    Cabaal wrote: »
    The magazine went after every major religion, Muslim, Catholics, Jewish etc. They are all fair game.

    A religious belief is only an idea and no idea deserves special protection or rights,

    assigning special protection and exemptions to religious ideas is what causes the likes of Catholic ethos schools in Ireland to basically have the right to sack teachers for being gay or lesbian people as they (the schools) are exempt from certain parts of legislation .... Cause it goes against their Catholic ethos

    I largely agree with all that but it's cheap humour. You generally wouldn't want your primary school aged child exposed to humour dealing with abortion, sex or any other heavy issue. Seems fair enough to leave religion out of it as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    Was in Lidl in Ashbourne a few days ago and some Muslim woman in a hijab was complaining about pork being displayed in the meat section...

    WILL THESE ****ERS JUST PISS OFF ALREADY !?!?!?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    I think Charlie Hebdo are scum, to be perfectly frank. They didn't produce the magazine the week after their colleagues were murdered as some sort of tribute to their colleagues, they did it to cash in. Normally they'd sell 60,000 copies, that week they ordered 3 million to be printed and ended up selling 5 million, nice little cash cow there. Then came the global aftermath of slaughter and rioting by Muslim fanatics in other parts of the world as a result.

    Charlie Hebdo is a hateful, low brow rag that caters for bigots and racists, nothing more, so it'll be great when the love fest for them ends. With freedom of speech comes responsibility and people shouldn't support the sh*te that magazine spouts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    In all seriousness. I have been alive for over 4 decades and I have yet to offended by anything

    What am I doing wrong ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭The_Captain


    I think Charlie Hebdo are scum, to be perfectly frank. They didn't produce the magazine the week after their colleagues were murdered as some sort of tribute to their colleagues, they did it to cash in. Normally they'd sell 60,000 copies, that week they ordered 3 million to be printed and ended up selling 5 million, nice little cash cow there. Then came the global aftermath of slaughter and rioting by Muslim fanatics in other parts of the world as a result.

    Charlie Hebdo is a hateful, low brow rag that caters for bigots and racists, nothing more, so it'll be great when the love fest for them ends. With freedom of speech comes responsibility and people shouldn't support the sh*te that magazine spouts.

    It was a total false flag situation, they arranged the whole thing just to improve their circulation

    #jesuistruther


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,061 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Normally they'd sell 60,000 copies, that week they ordered 3 million to be printed and ended up selling 5 million, nice little cash cow there.
    Yes, a lot of people wanted to read it - oh the horrors. Won't someone think of the (Muslim) children etc.
    Then came the global aftermath of slaughter and rioting by Muslim fanatics in other parts of the world as a result.
    And Charlie Hebdo is to blame for the actions of "fanatics" ... how exactly?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,825 ✭✭✭Timmyctc


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    Was in Lidl in Ashbourne a few days ago and some Muslim woman in a hijab was complaining about pork being displayed in the meat section...

    WILL THESE ****ERS JUST PISS OFF ALREADY !?!?!?!
    This definitely happened


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 136 ✭✭niamhstokes


    educate together schools are weird. All schools are Catholic. That's the way it is and always will be. Why make us pay for a minority of people who want boring secular schools? we'll end up like the UK if we're not careful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭Paz-CCFC


    anncoates wrote: »
    Kinda conflicted by the story too, in the same way I'm conflicted by CH handling of the affair generally.

    No problem with ET or their education on free speech (I'm an atheist, would love to see secular education being the norm in Ireland, despise religious fundamentalists and support CH right to free speech) but I just have this slightly uncomfortable feeling about sending your kid into a school discussion about free speech (which again, the discussion is great) with something that essentially uses free speech to troll people's faith. There's something of the fart-smelling, circle jerk of boards about it, to be honest.

    Not that I give a fcuk about the rights of fundamentalists not to be trolled, but there's every chance the offended kid's parents didn't fall into that bracket.

    Again, I think there's a way to lampoon and oppose religion without striving to be across the board offensive to people who have faith, no matter how ridiculous we think that faith is.

    Nail on the head there and that's essentially how I feel about it, too. It's like the South Park episodes with Muhammed in it. I fully support Stone's and Parker's right to create cartoons like that and completely condemn those who threatened violence on them. But I wouldn't really be in favour of showing South Park to a class of 11 year olds in primary school.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭Precious flower


    I don't like the magazine. I just feel like their drawings are crude and deliberately inflammatory, something a 16 year old boy would draw because he thought it was just hilarious. Saying that, I don't believe the school should have had to apologise either. But I really don't think that magazine should be held up as any symbol of free speech.The drawing was crude and severed no purpose but to be a shock and awe tactic to draw in like minded 16 year old men who find this stuff funny.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    educate together schools are weird. All schools are Catholic. That's the way it is and always will be. Why make us pay for a minority of people who want boring secular schools? we'll end up like the UK if we're not careful.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    If people just didn't take offence to every little thing, there wouldn't be nowhere near as much trouble. Things happen everyday that I could take offence to but I don't, you know why? Because doing so is just stupid. Get over it.

    If I said something that offended someone, and I didn't know it would, I wouldn't keep going on about it to antagonise them, but at the same token I wouldn't be apologising either. It's not my fault you can't take a joke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    Be careful there that you don't fall off your high horse!


    I left the horse outside, horse.

    I grew up in Limerick, I know the place inside out and the manner in which we joke about is something that I found very unique to the place. You can slag about anything and it's taken as a joke. I don't want that to change to the point where everybody is offended about everything. Those people can f*ck off.


    What makes you think Limerick is any different from anywhere else in Ireland? I didn't grow up in Limerick, but I know the place inside out, they don't joke any different to anywhere else in Ireland, you might think you can slag about anything, but that's just among you and your friends. The fact is that you and your friends don't have the place to yourselves any more, and you certainly don't by your own standards get to dictate what goes on in a school environment be it in Limerick, Dublin, Galway or anywhere else. This seems to offend you greatly, which by your own standards means you will have to be packing your suitcases.

    Ok, I've an example :

    I was threatened to be kicked out of school because I didn't want to attend religion class as it's full of crap that I didn't believe in. Where is my apology? I got over it. Christ above like.


    Nowadays you wouldn't be kicked out of school, and your absence of belief would be respected. Times change maaaan.

    It's offensive to his religion? Well then tough sh1t! F*ck off somewhere else! You integrate into our culture, not the other way around.


    You understand that the parents sent their child to a multi-denominational school because they were under the impression that their religion would be respected, that all religions and none are respected? That's why they didn't send their child to a Catholic ethos school.

    You think I went around Canada when I moved there telling everyone they have to go on the lash every weekend all weekend and slagging everyone? No! I learned my limits there and made an effort to integrate. If I wanted to get citizenship there, I have swear allegiance to the queen, I need to do English tests, crap that I think is stupid, but that's their country, not mine.


    The Canadian First Indians have never sworn allegiance to the Queen of England, and I'll bet you won't find too many English speakers in the French Quarter either! You'll find the Irish "diaspora" and British ex-pats in every country though, and they make no attempt to integrate into the countries in which they're located. In fact, the British have quite a reputation for their attempts to invade other countries and turn them into Little Britain. It's one of the reasons why Canada is still a British Commonwealth country.

    (someone wasn't paying attention in history class either!)

    Unless you are socially retarded, you should know the limits and learn to bite your tongue even if something annoys you.


    Seems you've yet to master that social skill, but I assume you're not intellectually disabled, just ignorant.

    Last time I checked, Ireland wasn't a Muslim state. If you come here to live, then live as we do and don't be expecting special treatment.


    Ohh the irony. If we were still expected to "live as we do", you'd have been taken out in the hallway and given a few belts of a hurley to keep you in line for your refusal to participate in religion classes. Thankfully we don't do that any more either.

    Remember the film American History X? He was told to write about a struggle for civil rights and he did it about Mein Kampf? It will offend people but under instruction, these are the topics that may be legitimately discussed!


    I was more of a Monty Python man myself, y'know, clever satire as opposed to just flinging horse shìt in people's eyes while languishing under the arrogant veil of ignorance that there would be no retaliation.

    Pah, Freedom of speech my hole. Next thing you know you'll be bleeped out for every single non PC thing that is said


    I have no time for political correctness. I also have no time for people who think they have a right to behave like ignorant douchebags. This isn't about political correctness or freedom of speech or any of the rest of that nonsense, it's about a teacher in a multi-denominational school, lacking even the slightest bit of cop-on to realise that the cartoons were going to be offensive to some of the children, in a multi-denominational school which claims to respect all faiths and none.

    Just to add, if you moved to an Islamic country, would you try to change all their things? No, you would learn to integrate. You would know not to do certain things like draw pictures of Mohammed and show the soles of your feet etc. Get a grip.


    You could apply that same logic to Ireland when you were in school and we were a majority Roman Catholic society, you didn't try to integrate then, did you? Aren't you lucky you don't live in a country where apostasy is punishable by death? If anyone needs to get a grip here, I'd suggest you hold tight on that forelock and hang on for dear life, because Limerick isn't just your city any more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Great. Let's pass the ridiculous PC tripe onto another generation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    educate together schools are weird. All schools are Catholic. That's the way it is and always will be. Why make us pay for a minority of people who want boring secular schools? we'll end up like the UK if we're not careful.

    You're right. We need to encourage segregation so that we can continue to complain they arent doing enough to integrate. They just need to integrate themselves over there, away from us.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    percy212 wrote: »
    Free speech is a current topic that is rightly of interest to educators. I see nothing wrong with examining that magazine during class. It should spark debate and critical thinking in students, skills we need in our population. Muslim students can debate too.


    Apparently, they can only get offended.


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