Stephen Fry on confronting god after death

deaddonkey15 · 03-02-2015 10:27PM

Terrlock wrote: »

The Jews consist of only one tribe of Israel whom came out of Egypt. Moses is said to have written the first 5 books of the torah. Was he a Jew?

They knew the world was around, when every other culture didn't.

They knew the world floats in space, while other cultures thought it sat on the back of a turtle.

they knew that everything was made up of particles, indiscernible to our eyes(Atoms and such)

They knew the ideal dimension for ship stability thousands of years before the rest of the world.

They knew when dealing with disease, clothes and body should be washed under running water.

Some 3,500 years ago God commanded His people to have a place outside the camp where they could relieve themselves. They were to each carry a shovel so that they could dig a hole (latrine) and cover their waste. Up until World War I, more soldiers died from disease than war because they did not isolate human waste.

They knew the oceans contains springs - We didn't know that until the 1970's

They knew that our bodies were made from Dust - Scientists have discovered that the human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements – all of which are found in the earth.

The list really goes on and on. These are not something a so called primitive people would know about.

How did they believe the Earth was round? Or that it floated in space? Have you a source for that WW1 remark?

I reckon this is a classic case of twisting the ambiguous and questionably translated words of the bible in order to be consistent with the modern world.

Tarzana2 · 04-02-2015 02:47AM

Emersyn Deep Destroyer wrote: »

The majority of people in Ireland are catholic

:pac::D

Sure they are, hun.

Terrlock · 04-02-2015 03:48AM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

They might have after Egyptian mathematicians, who we know measured the circumference of the earth with reasonable accuracy, told them about it.
Or you could thank the jesus ghost guy I guess.

One of the oldest books in the bible talks about the world being spherical in shape and hangs on nothing. It also talks about celestial bodies.

Terrlock · 04-02-2015 03:55AM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

How did they believe the Earth was round? Or that it floated in space? Have you a source for that WW1 remark?

I reckon this is a classic case of twisting the ambiguous and questionably translated words of the bible in order to be consistent with the modern world.

It is in the bible the the Earth was round and also floated in space.

In fact it is in one of the oldest known books of the bible.

And it's a very good idea to study the bible in it's original language as your correct there are mistranslations.

As for WW1, have a read if your interested

https://sites.google.com/site/worldwar1class6/life-in-the-trenches/health-and-diseases-in-the-trenches

Terrlock · 04-02-2015 03:57AM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Which God are you talking about? The Muslim God? Ancient Greek God's? A Roman God?

I'm not talking about a Muslim God, Greek God or even a Roman God. I'm talking about The God of gods, the god who created all things. The God who brought the universe into being and breaths life into all who inhabit it.

COYVB · 04-02-2015 04:02AM

Terrlock wrote: »

I'm not talking about a Muslim God, Greek God or even a Roman God. I'm talking about The God of gods, the god who created all things. The God who brought the universe into being and breaths life into all who inhabit it.

And depending on where, and when, you were born and raised, that god you mention is a different one. You think it's the one you think it is because of your circumstances.

Terrlock · 04-02-2015 04:10AM

COYVB wrote: »

And depending on where, and when, you were born and raised, that god you mention is a different one. You think it's the one you think it is because of your circumstances.

Nope, I don't think it's because of my circumstances, if it was I'd either be a Roman Catholic or atheist leaning far more on the atheist side of the fence, certainly not a born again Christian.

There are plenty of christians also in muslim countries. However the muslims kill a lot of them.

It doesn't depend on where your brought up, that's just a fallacy.

COYVB · 04-02-2015 04:45AM

Terrlock wrote: »

Nope, I don't think it's because of my circumstances, if it was I'd either be a Roman Catholic or atheist leaning far more on the atheist side of the fence, certainly not a born again Christian.

There are plenty of christians also in muslim countries. However the muslims kill a lot of them.

It doesn't depend on where your brought up, that's just a fallacy.

Of course it does. If you're born into a remote tribe in Brazil, you think you'll be muslim or christian? You won't be.

If you're born in a predominantly muslim country, there's a higher chance than not that your family will be muslim, leading to a higher chance than not that you'll be raised muslim. It's not rocket science

cloud493 · 04-02-2015 08:45AM

I thought the comment about the first world war was obvious, its been cited in most major history books of it I've read.

danrua01 · 04-02-2015 08:55AM

Terrlock wrote: »

I'm not talking about a Muslim God, Greek God or even a Roman God. I'm talking about The God of gods, the god who created all things. The God who brought the universe into being and breaths life into all who inhabit it.

So...which god? You still haven't specified. I, for one, hope it's Thor.

Dan_Solo · 04-02-2015 09:04AM

Terrlock wrote: »

Nope, I don't think it's because of my circumstances, if it was I'd either be a Roman Catholic or atheist leaning far more on the atheist side of the fence, certainly not a born again Christian.

There are plenty of christians also in muslim countries. However the muslims kill a lot of them.

It doesn't depend on where your brought up, that's just a fallacy.

Terrible shoite. Of course you are more likely to have the religion of your parents and culture, illustrating the fact that's there's not one thing "natural" about Christianity.

Dan_Solo · 04-02-2015 09:05AM

danrua01 wrote: »

So...which god? You still haven't specified. I, for one, hope it's Thor.

Crom laughs at your Thor.
Though I reckon either take that lame hippy in a fist fight.

Ghost Buster · 04-02-2015 09:06AM

Terrlock wrote: »

I'm not talking about a Muslim God, Greek God or even a Roman God. I'm talking about The God of gods, the god who created all things. The God who brought the universe into being and breaths life into all who inhabit it.

But that's what most other religions say about their god or gods and they all reckon you're wrong,

danrua01 · 04-02-2015 09:12AM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Crom laughs at your Thor.
Though I reckon either take that lame hippy in a fist fight.

Pfft!

Anyway, there was an interesting article in the Guardian yesterday about Norse god temples being built in Iceland again. There was a quote from one of the high priests who said obviously noone believes there's a big lad with a huge hammer in the clouds, but they take the stories as poetic metaphors and such.

That's the way!

Dan_Solo · 04-02-2015 10:05AM

Terrlock wrote: »

One of the oldest books in the bible talks about the world being spherical in shape and hangs on nothing. It also talks about celestial bodies.

They also talk about the world being a circle, the heavens being a dome built on pillars and the earth being immovable.
In case you haven't read any other book, that's all utter shoite BTW.

Dan_Solo · 04-02-2015 10:08AM

danrua01 wrote: »

Pfft!

Anyway, there was an interesting article in the Guardian yesterday about Norse god temples being built in Iceland again. There was a quote from one of the high priests who said obviously noone believes there's a big lad with a huge hammer in the clouds, but they take the stories as poetic metaphors and such.

That's the way!

It would be interesting to know if the ancient norse felt the same way? Or is this just the usual sanitised "it's all metaphor" nonsense every religion in at now their laughable science has been debunked?
Off topic, but I hope the can avoid the usual far right element that Odinism etc tends to attract.

PopePalpatine · 04-02-2015 10:45AM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

:pac::D

Sure they are, hun.

That depends on how you define "Catholic". The last census stated that 84% of the population is Catholic, but then again, I'd say about 10% of that is accounted for by Mammy filling out the census form.

However, according to an Irish Times/IPSOS-MRBI poll in 2012, only 26% of Irish Catholics believe in transubstantiation, i.e. a cracker and some wine become the literal body and blood of Jesus. Let's not forget that the latest poll on marriage equality has 71% in favour. If there really is this "moral majority" of staunch Catholics, they're not doing a good job at actually proving their existence.

Dan_Solo · 04-02-2015 10:47AM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Have you a source for that WW1 remark?

It's more bollix of course.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitation_in_ancient_Rome
The Romans had toilets with running water. They knew all about sanitation during WW1, it's just that they could do feck all about it with 100,000 soldiers in a trench for 6 months in 3 feet of mud.

Dan_Solo · 04-02-2015 10:51AM

Terrlock wrote: »

Some 3,500 years ago God commanded His people to have a place outside the camp where they could relieve themselves. They were to each carry a shovel so that they could dig a hole (latrine) and cover their waste. Up until World War I, more soldiers died from disease than war because they did not isolate human waste.

Primitives.
http://www.sewerhistory.org/chronos/early_roots.htm
They had proper toilets thousands of miles away more than 1000 years before your god had his brainwave.

floggg · 04-02-2015 11:23AM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

I'm a bit confused now, because I have been alerted to this and this.

Are you saying they would have happened anyway?

I'm pretty sure the Stig statute was the work of the Devil

/Jeremy Clarkson

floggg · 04-02-2015 11:26AM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

JRR Tolkien teaches of Hobbits and Bolrogs. I also deny their existence

Then how do you explain Michael D Higgins?

floggg · 04-02-2015 11:28AM

TireeTerror wrote: »

Its actually an insult to the intelligence of all of mankind to try and make sense of religion.

I honestly do not even know why I am wasting my time discussing such a silly matter, religion is a fabricated steaming pile of dog turd that does not even stand against the slightest of reasoning.

For some reason it is acceptable to have places of worship where we indoctrinate people and brainwash them into believing in a complete and total fantasy.

The Vatican should be held accountable for its sins against humanity and all places of worship raised to the ground or converted into something that betters humanity. Any establishment that shelters and covers up murders, child molestation and many more heinous crimes ought to be disbanded.

Vile corrupt evil men praying upon society's weak and vulnerable. They have managed to become so ingrained into our society even more intelligent beings have succumbed to their con. It is all a lie and anyone saying otherwise is a weak victim and is delusional.

Is it any wonder sometime atheists have a bad name.

floggg · 04-02-2015 11:30AM

Terrlock wrote: »

I'm not talking about a Muslim God, Greek God or even a Roman God. I'm talking about The God of gods, the god who created all things. The God who brought the universe into being and breaths life into all who inhabit it.

The God of gods? You mean Zeus?

floggg · 04-02-2015 11:32AM

Terrlock wrote: »

Nope, I don't think it's because of my circumstances, if it was I'd either be a Roman Catholic or atheist leaning far more on the atheist side of the fence, certainly not a born again Christian.

There are plenty of christians also in muslim countries. However the muslims kill a lot of them.

It doesn't depend on where your brought up, that's just a fallacy.

So if you were born in rural India, and never heard of the bible or christianity, there's a god chance you would be Catholic?

Sure!

kunst nugget · 04-02-2015 11:35AM

K4t wrote: »

Extreme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

floggg · 04-02-2015 11:39AM

Terrlock wrote: »

The Jews consist of only one tribe of Israel whom came out of Egypt. Moses is said to have written the first 5 books of the torah. Was he a Jew?

They knew the world was around, when every other culture didn't.

They knew the world floats in space, while other cultures thought it sat on the back of a turtle.

they knew that everything was made up of particles, indiscernible to our eyes(Atoms and such)

They knew the ideal dimension for ship stability thousands of years before the rest of the world.

They knew when dealing with disease, clothes and body should be washed under running water.

Some 3,500 years ago God commanded His people to have a place outside the camp where they could relieve themselves. They were to each carry a shovel so that they could dig a hole (latrine) and cover their waste. Up until World War I, more soldiers died from disease than war because they did not isolate human waste.

They knew the oceans contains springs - We didn't know that until the 1970's

They knew that our bodies were made from Dust - Scientists have discovered that the human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements – all of which are found in the earth.

The list really goes on and on. These are not something a so called primitive people would know about.

Most of those statements were either fairly obvious (even pets tend not to **** where they sleep), known to other (pagan) cultures independently of god/the bible or else very stretched interpretations of biblical passages.

But do tell me about the bolded one, I'd be interested to hear all about it.

jobbridge4life · 04-02-2015 11:40AM

floggg wrote: »

So if you were born in rural India, and never heard of the bible or christianity, there's a god chance you would be Catholic?

Sure!

Don't be so incredulous. Terrlock also hypothesized that he might be an atheist. Seems like an odd combination of possibilities to me but then faith is all about believing in the unlikely.

K4t · 04-02-2015 11:51AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

Do you not find it somewhat contradictory that you and many other posters are arguing against the existence of god or a specific god and all that it entails, questioning those religious beliefs, essentially arguing against irrational and illogical thinking. Yet my hope that some day the majority of people think the same as you and those posters openly without any fear or shame, is seen as extreme. (and before you mention religious oppression I've never suggesting anything other than education (secular) and discourse as the ways of achieving this. If anything, by labelling me as extreme you are being both hypocritical and contradictory, and your argument could be viewed as condescending towards people of faith. I want to argue with reason and logic through discourse, actively opposing indoctrination and irrational beliefs, you simply want to argue with reason and logic but will simply ignore the indoctrination or the irrational beliefs and leave them to their beliefs, they're not harming anyone etc.

Dan_Solo · 04-02-2015 12:13PM

Terrlock wrote: »

they knew that everything was made up of particles, indiscernible to our eyes(Atoms and such)

Things are made of smaller things... that is an astounding insight. A caveman cracking a rock 100000 years earlier would never have know this. :rolleyes:

danrua01 · 04-02-2015 12:18PM

I like how Terrlock backs up his information.

Stephen Fry on confronting god after death

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