New Garda fleet

Jesus. · 30-01-2015 01:22AM #1

The Guards have been given 20 new Insignia Estates. 2.0 CDTI Bi-turbo with 195 nags (& 295 torques).

That's a bit more like it compared to some of the under-powered sh1t heaps they have to chase crims in.

http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/garda-traffic-corps-get-20-new-opels-in-2015-30925585.html

Atlantic Dawn · 30-01-2015 01:28AM

Jesus. wrote: »

The Guards have been given 20 new Insignia Estates. 2.0 CDTI Bi-turbo with 195 nags (& 295 torques).

That's a bit more like it compared to some of the under-powered sh1t heaps they have to chase crims in.

http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/garda-traffic-corps-get-20-new-opels-in-2015-30925585.html

Even if they gave them Lambo's, without proper training and a plan to stop a car it will end in carnage or the Keystone Cops version with 8 or 9 garda cars chasing a car directly behind it resembling a Paddys Day Parade like we have seen on Youtube so many times.

Jesus. · 30-01-2015 01:43AM

Are our Plods less trained than other Country's, Atlantic?

challengemaster · 30-01-2015 01:48AM

Jesus. wrote: »

That's a bit more like it compared to some of the under-powered sh1t heaps they have to chase crims in.

Takes a fair amount of horsepower to catch up with a 2 day head start alright.

Eric Cartman · 30-01-2015 04:17AM

Realistically a single brand solution probably wont work.

The m50, m7 and m1 would benefit from a bmw 540i / 550i touring.

Regional units in remote areas would be best served by subaru forresters or similar

City runarounds could do with something volvo s40 like , big focus on safety especially for pedestrians

Undercover units could do with something sleeper like with excellent handling , petrol 2.5-3.0 litre but looks just like a family saloon

Really rural , mountain type areas could use a few pajeros / landcruisers at their disposal

This business of unifying on ford or toyota or whoever is nonsense.

ironclaw · 30-01-2015 09:33AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Realistically a single brand solution probably wont work.

The m50, m7 and m1 would benefit from a bmw 540i / 550i touring.

Regional units in remote areas would be best served by subaru forresters or similar

City runarounds could do with something volvo s40 like , big focus on safety especially for pedestrians

Undercover units could do with something sleeper like with excellent handling , petrol 2.5-3.0 litre but looks just like a family saloon

Really rural , mountain type areas could use a few pajeros / landcruisers at their disposal

This business of unifying on ford or toyota or whoever is nonsense.

They have all of the above believe it or not. I think there were even ST220's in the Mondeo fleet. There's at least one Focus ST somewhere around the border last time I saw it.

As regards the Ford / Toyota business, you'll find that certain TDs etc have connections to certain dealerships which influence tenders etc etc. The usual Irish carry on.

But as has been said, unless these cars are deployed in the right hands with the right training and not cherry picks by the old hands in the station as its the 'new car' then this is pointless. Also, the very best of luck going up against anything even remotely quick. Stock a Golf GTI or Clio 197 has more under the hood, and that's before you start to consider the S3, 353d, M3's etc.

Looks good, means nothing.

NIMAN · 30-01-2015 09:46AM

Think I seen new Hyundai's up here in Donegal, probably i40s?

Daaryl · 30-01-2015 10:22AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Think I seen new Hyundai's up here in Donegal, probably i40s?

Yea they have them everywhere and i don't know what they except to catch with them :pac:

NIMAN · 30-01-2015 10:45AM

Daaryl wrote: »

Yea they have them everywhere and i don't know what they except to catch with them :pac:

Maybe Criminals in Hyundai i30s?:D

Daaryl · 30-01-2015 10:46AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Maybe Criminals in Hyundai i30s?:D

More like the i20's :pac:

corsav6 · 30-01-2015 10:57AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Think I seen new Hyundai's up here in Donegal, probably i40s?

All the Mondeo's are gone from Castlebar and have been replaced by Hyundai i40 estates. I haven't seen any Opel's based in mayo for at least 10 years.

mossy50 · 30-01-2015 11:12AM

toyota avensis , landcruiser, yaris , hyundai, ford mondeo / focus all here in cavan what will the get in a yaris ill never know

Daaryl · 30-01-2015 11:14AM

mossy50 wrote: »

toyota avensis , landcruiser, yaris , hyundai, ford mondeo / focus all here in cavan what will the get in a yaris ill never know

There's a video of a lad drifting around a roundabout in a skyline and a gaurds in a yaris trying to chase him lol

dodderangler · 30-01-2015 11:15AM

At least the scruffs can sit in comfort now. Lord knows they need it the poor things

BMJD · 30-01-2015 11:16AM

I was passed by an unmarked A6 yesterday, so not all of them are slumming it in Hyundais!

PukkaStukka · 30-01-2015 11:16AM

ironclaw wrote: »

As regards the Ford / Toyota business, you'll find that certain TDs etc have connections to certain dealerships which influence tenders etc etc. The usual Irish carry on.

Given the public sector procurement and tendering processes in place now are very tightly controlled, I personally could not accept any notion that a some flat cap TD can come along cynically bypass these. Past days maybe, but definetly not now.

If this were the case, why are Hyundai's appearing in modest enough numbers? Probably because these vehicle's specifications meet the requirements of the role at the most cost effective price for the numbers purchased. In other words, they are cheaper.

ba_barabus · 30-01-2015 11:18AM

BMJD wrote: »

I was passed by an unmarked A6 yesterday, so not all of them are slumming it in Hyundais!

A Ministerial car I'd say

bear1 · 30-01-2015 11:40AM

Jesus. wrote: »

The Guards have been given 20 new Insignia Estates. 2.0 CDTI Bi-turbo with 195 nags (& 295 torques).

That's a bit more like it compared to some of the under-powered sh1t heaps they have to chase crims in.

http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/garda-traffic-corps-get-20-new-opels-in-2015-30925585.html

Is it me or is 295NM quite low for a bi-turbo diesel?

Sasso · 30-01-2015 11:45AM

BMJD wrote: »

I was passed by an unmarked A6 yesterday, so not all of them are slumming it in Hyundais!

This is most probably a fire chief whose personal car is modified with blues for response,. Guarentee not Garda car

Tea 1000 · 30-01-2015 12:28PM

bear1 wrote: »

Is it me or is 295NM quite low for a bi-turbo diesel?

I'd say that's more likely the lbs/ft figure, which would equate to 400NM. Given the 163bhp single turbo is 350NM, that's the most likely case.

Also, I like this sentence... "Manual handbrakes replace the normal electric handbrakes for operational effectiveness reasons."

Operational effectiveness! Must try that one out some day!

ironclaw · 30-01-2015 12:51PM

BMJD wrote: »

I was passed by an unmarked A6 yesterday, so not all of them are slumming it in Hyundais!

There is a completely unmarked 2010 Skoda Octavia Estate on the Nass Road quite regularly. Also, I'm fairly sure its not D reg, so the times of D reg only are starting to end I feel.

Tea 1000 · 30-01-2015 12:56PM

Sligo used have an unmarked Alfa 156 2.5 V6 and an unmarked IS200.

Old diesel · 30-01-2015 02:12PM

The problem with the whole Toyota/Hyundai fleet scenario seems to be - from what I can see - that they will look to buy big numbers of cars in one go - say 150/200/300

And they will then do the deal for ALL of them with one manufacturer - rather then having separate tenders for traffic corps or other sections.

My understanding is that the power of the Insignias puts them in a higher category in terms of Garda driver training - Advanced car is the term used from what I understand from reading threads in the emergency services forum here on boards.

Meaning you need more training to be allowed drive the Insignia bi turbos - then you do to drive a Hyundai.

Someone mentioned ST220s - I think I saw mention that there was 3.0 Ghia/non ST Mondeos in the old (2006/07 era) Mondeo fleet.

Eric Cartman · 30-01-2015 03:12PM

Old diesel wrote: »

The problem with the whole Toyota/Hyundai fleet scenario seems to be - from what I can see - that they will look to buy big numbers of cars in one go - say 150/200/300

And they will then do the deal for ALL of them with one manufacturer - rather then having separate tenders for traffic corps or other sections.

My understanding is that the power of the Insignias puts them in a higher category in terms of Garda driver training - Advanced car is the term used from what I understand from reading threads in the emergency services forum here on boards.

Meaning you need more training to be allowed drive the Insignia bi turbos - then you do to drive a Hyundai.

Someone mentioned ST220s - I think I saw mention that there was 3.0 Ghia/non ST Mondeos in the old (2006/07 era) Mondeo fleet.

the idea of needing new training to drive a sub 200bhp fwd tractor around says an awful lot about this country and its attitude to motoring

Old diesel · 30-01-2015 04:34PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the idea of needing new training to drive a sub 200bhp fwd tractor around says an awful lot about this country and its attitude to motoring

Id imagine the role that the cars are used for dictates the extra training.

In other words - a 2.0 195 ps Insignia is intended to do a different role then a 1.7 diesel Hyundai - that's where the training requirement comes from I imagine.

Anyway - I don't know - that's just what I recall reading over on the emergency services forum.

Tea 1000 · 30-01-2015 06:44PM

Old diesel wrote: »

Id imagine the role that the cars are used for dictates the extra training.

In other words - a 2.0 195 ps Insignia is intended to do a different role then a 1.7 diesel Hyundai - that's where the training requirement comes from I imagine.

Anyway - I don't know - that's just what I recall reading over on the emergency services forum.

They should all get extra driving instruction anyway for entry to the gards. The standard test in this country is poor.

Chuck_Norris · 30-01-2015 09:05PM

Old diesel wrote: »

The problem with the whole Toyota/Hyundai fleet scenario seems to be - from what I can see - that they will look to buy big numbers of cars in one go - say 150/200/300

And they will then do the deal for ALL of them with one manufacturer - rather then having separate tenders for traffic corps or other sections.

My understanding is that the power of the Insignias puts them in a higher category in terms of Garda driver training - Advanced car is the term used from what I understand from reading threads in the emergency services forum here on boards.

Meaning you need more training to be allowed drive the Insignia bi turbos - then you do to drive a Hyundai.

Someone mentioned ST220s - I think I saw mention that there was 3.0 Ghia/non ST Mondeos in the old (2006/07 era) Mondeo fleet.

They definitely had ST220's. I was in one!

A kindly Garda took me for a quick, pun intended, spin in one about 7 years ago. Made me promise not to tell anyone. Fairly shifted to be fair.

delthedriver · 30-01-2015 09:15PM

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Sligo used have an unmarked Alfa 156 2.5 V6 and an unmarked IS200.

How old is the Alfa 156 ?

Froshtbit · 30-01-2015 10:49PM

Chuck_Norris wrote: »

They definitely had ST220's. I was in one!

A kindly Garda took me for a quick, pun intended, spin in one about 7 years ago. Made me promise not to tell anyone. Fairly shifted to be fair.

Well, now everyone knows.

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly · 30-01-2015 10:52PM

Chuck_Norris wrote: »

Made me promise not to tell anyone.

Thanks for telling us:)

wendell borton · 30-01-2015 11:14PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the idea of needing new training to drive a sub 200bhp fwd tractor around says an awful lot about this country and its attitude to motoring

Doesn't surprise me in a country where you now have to do training to lift a box at work.

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