Cork GAA Discussion Thread

sean mac · 27-01-2015 07:59PM

Pointless playing u21 before a sigerson round especially minus Maguire who at a young age is a better midfielder then gould or cussen. Unbelievable that we could end up with cussen & gould as our midfield for sunday against mcauley and bastick for example - if so management have learned nothing.
We will obviously get a conservative selection for sunday but what that means with this set up is unknown except cadogan & shields in the full back line and probably poor tom Clancy pidgeon holed there also. Ohallorhan in goal also is a cert. Would be surprised if bishopstowns Jamie o Sullivan doesn't start at half back even do any from tom Clancy, Thomas Clancy, brian o driscoll, loughrey, white are better. For me if tom Clancy Fermoy doesn't start as the ucc captain with everything he brings - aggression, mobility, toughness, football and the likes of osullivan, odonoghue etc are played ahead of him I will give up.
Smith, you may noth like the tone of the donncha interview but it is absolutely 100% accurate and at least donncha has the balls and the seniority to call it for what it is. We are fighting for the 6th place in league 1

Gary Neville · 27-01-2015 08:16PM

sean mac wrote: »

Pointless playing u21 before a sigerson round especially minus Maguire who at a young age is a better midfielder then gould or cussen. Unbelievable that we could end up with cussen & gould as our midfield for sunday against mcauley and bastick for example - if so management have learned nothing.
We will obviously get a conservative selection for sunday but what that means with this set up is unknown except cadogan & shields in the full back line and probably poor tom Clancy pidgeon holed there also. Ohallorhan in goal also is a cert. Would be surprised if bishopstowns Jamie o Sullivan doesn't start at half back even do any from tom Clancy, Thomas Clancy, brian o driscoll, loughrey, white are better. For me if tom Clancy Fermoy doesn't start as the ucc captain with everything he brings - aggression, mobility, toughness, football and the likes of osullivan, odonoghue etc are played ahead of him I will give up.
Smith, you may noth like the tone of the donncha interview but it is absolutely 100% accurate and at least donncha has the balls and the seniority to call it for what it is. We are fighting for the 6th place in league 1

Tomas Clancy was treated disgracefully by Cuthbert last year - dropped off the travelling panel for Mayo game for Sean Kiely who had never played a senior IC game - absolutely idiotic. But many other were treated similarly - P Kelly etc.

Very average sides like Monaghan and Armagh have done well because of good management and preparation - we will be very badly prepared as we don't have a competent coach. This is probably the most challenging league fixture list that we've had for years but we will be taking a 'seat of the pants' approach.

I can this going very badly.

solwhit12 · 27-01-2015 08:24PM

Gary Neville wrote: »

Tomas Clancy was treated disgracefully by Cuthbert last year - dropped off the travelling panel for Mayo game for Sean Kiely who had never played a senior IC game - absolutely idiotic. But many other were treated similarly - P Kelly etc.

Very average sides like Monaghan and Armagh have done well because of good management and preparation - we will be very badly prepared as we don't have a competent coach. This is probably the most challenging league fixture list that we've had for years but we will be taking a 'seat of the pants' approach.

I can this going very badly.

It won't go as bad as people think the same was said last year and we still made the semi final .

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-01-2015 09:40PM

[quderry12;94029186"]It won't go as bad as people think the same was said last year and we still made the semi final .[/quote]

Last year we had just three away games and one those kerry was right off as no intention winning as algarve pre booked

This year derry cork have go to who when cork were good barely beat point last time went up their So derry tough place win

Monaghan also
Donegal and Tyrone
Mayo we could win at home
Kerry who knows
I hope kerry loose mayo this week and by tine cork play them must win game so at least we get good test this time

Huge ask this time

sean mac · 27-01-2015 09:54PM

solwhit12 wrote: »

It won't go as bad as people think the same was said last year and we still made the semi final .

That didn't go too well did it? cork were haunted last year in the league - 2 first home games vs the 2 weakest teams in the division guaranteeing 4 points. Different animal this year, Dublin coming to break another record for Cuthbert, following on from the biggest loss in a munster final in 30 odd years, the losing to waterhurd for the first time in 50 years and now losing to Dublin for the first time in 25 years in cork

Deco99 · 27-01-2015 10:09PM

Just read the so called disgraceful article from todays examiner. Here's what I read. Cork should not focus on winning league but look to build for championship.

CORKDOUBLE · 27-01-2015 10:32PM

Anyone at the Sigerson game today ? I have looked around other forums and theres hardly no mention of the match ......just goes to show once again that football is second even on the forums in Cork.....if this was a Fitzgibbon game there would be loads of coverage of it ....I know most people on here are both hurling and football fans ....but hurling still gets more debate ....rant over !

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-01-2015 10:47PM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Anyone at the Sigerson game today ? I have looked around other forums and theres hardly no mention of the match ......just goes to show once again that football is second even on the forums in Cork.....if this was a Fitzgibbon game there would be loads of coverage of it ....I know most people on here are both hurling and football fans ....but hurling still gets more debate ....rant over !

You have valid points be fair

I try and speak both as much as I can but you have fair point

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-01-2015 10:50PM

http://www.the42.ie/ucc-cit-sigerson-cup-1905366-Jan2015/

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-01-2015 10:52PM

Different in player conor dorman is ucc and cork
Cork played full back and corner and looks devoid confidence self belive

Morgen plays he's strengths at half back got winning point last year goal today terrific footballer he is

Ask any kerry player played under Morgan there glow I'm praise and not just yrrrs

Morgan one he'll of a coach

And likes hickey kerry cox will benefit under him then under cian o Neill so develop faster better cork lads once leave ucc they improvement I fear be static at senior while kerry lads have upward progression

sean mac · 27-01-2015 10:58PM

To me the stand out issue revolves around tom Clancy - under billy morgan a huge leader and captain central to the team, Under brian Cuthbert dropped totally after playing in the league, brought on with 10 mins left vs Sligo and then a week later dropped off the panel for the mayo game - how the **** is that justified? a far superior to player to Jamie o Sullivan for example

It makes sense · 27-01-2015 11:05PM

Smith614 wrote: »

I think Donnacha O Connors article in the examiner today is a disgrace from an intercounty player. If that is the attitude of the players then they should pack it in. Read into it whatever way u like about honesty etc but it is not acceptable from an intercounty player. I thought this kind of Defeatest attitude was a thing of the past. Donnacha boy we don't need you if that is ur attitude. We are sick of this "the talent is there" rubbish, what have we done to support that claim. Cork club football is in the doldrums for yrs. Fall apart in munster club c/ships at all levels when we meet Kerry opponents. The talent being there is a myth and an over used cliché.

I would applaud donnacha for being honest I think three wins would be hard work, I would love to be wrong but if Cussan and Gould start in midfield we are goosed. Truly amazing that evening echo gives no criticism I know you can be positive but you should tell the facts and not brush over things. At least donnacha called it as he saw it, I said before without a proper coach the team is going no where this season and maybe in defeat the Ccb will see the light rather than just gloss over things with everything will be okay routine

CORKDOUBLE · 27-01-2015 11:07PM

Cheers again TTM for the report....

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-01-2015 11:08PM

Sean if you had wish name five people for cork senior football management set up who be??

Strength conditions be separate

Mine be Cleary, English coach

Cahalane, James Mccarthy kissanne
Ed coughlan s and c

James and kissanne be there learn and be groomed main riles in time

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-01-2015 11:09PM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Cheers again TTM for the report....

No hassle that was from the score though I was not st game

It makes sense · 27-01-2015 11:27PM

Quote ttm - As for hurling good read I'm paper about cork hurling options but john horgan showed he's Castlemartyr alligence aside imo when he said Brian Lawton is contending options for midfield with Andy walsh and haughney

Sorry now john, but what did lawton do exactly merit this?? He got taken off v clare and as many many posted here he was poor
A good writer I have time for but when lawton plays poor he's still credited

Lawton imo is no where near options for cork and of cork rely him all Ireland forget bout it
He mentioned defenders but didn't mention colm Barry castkelyon who been good cork despite played st full back one game, as options despite having blinding season all last year at intermediate yet in that game lime said before he played well, he never mentioned
Castlyons player colm Barry is
I think john I'd great hurling man, writes good stuff st times but lawton gets huge praise unjustified imo

I read article to John certainly will not say a bad word about the lawton boys talked up Barry the other week when playing for UCC. Even lads in East cork know Brian is well off inter county pace this year, I cannot see him making the cut but jbm does seem to like him as continues to give him game time, strange one I assume panel for league will be named shortly So we will see

thinkstoomuch1 · 27-01-2015 11:33PM

It makes sense wrote: »

Quote ttm - As for hurling good read I'm paper about cork hurling options but john horgan showed he's Castlemartyr alligence aside imo when he said Brian Lawton is contending options for midfield with Andy walsh and haughney

Sorry now john, but what did lawton do exactly merit this?? He got taken off v clare and as many many posted here he was poor
A good writer I have time for but when lawton plays poor he's still credited

Lawton imo is no where near options for cork and of cork rely him all Ireland forget bout it
He mentioned defenders but didn't mention colm Barry castkelyon who been good cork despite played st full back one game, as options despite having blinding season all last year at intermediate yet in that game lime said before he played well, he never mentioned
Castlyons player colm Barry is
I think john I'd great hurling man, writes good stuff st times but lawton gets huge praise unjustified imo

I read article to John certainly will not say a bad word about the lawton boys talked up Barry the other week when playing for UCC. Even lads in East cork know Brian is well off inter county pace this year, I cannot see him making the cut but jbm does seem to like him as continues to give him game time, strange one I assume panel for league will be named shortly So we will see

I like castle mstur geuinely

What I don't like is other players will get critise fair point but then some don't

Your honest lad and I admire respect that your views say look this Lad fine club man but not cork standard

Cork gaa needs attuide like yours

What you make hurling so far any players stand out

Two games this weekend Wexford and limerick then panel be announced

Your very technical in your assement
Would you think cork are different this year
Would you give rochestown chance Saturday

I think they will win

Canyon86 · 27-01-2015 11:51PM

It makes sense wrote: »

Quote ttm - As for hurling good read I'm paper about cork hurling options but john horgan showed he's Castlemartyr alligence aside imo when he said Brian Lawton is contending options for midfield with Andy walsh and haughney

Sorry now john, but what did lawton do exactly merit this?? He got taken off v clare and as many many posted here he was poor
A good writer I have time for but when lawton plays poor he's still credited

Lawton imo is no where near options for cork and of cork rely him all Ireland forget bout it
He mentioned defenders but didn't mention colm Barry castkelyon who been good cork despite played st full back one game, as options despite having blinding season all last year at intermediate yet in that game lime said before he played well, he never mentioned
Castlyons player colm Barry is
I think john I'd great hurling man, writes good stuff st times but lawton gets huge praise unjustified imo

I read article to John certainly will not say a bad word about the lawton boys talked up Barry the other week when playing for UCC. Even lads in East cork know Brian is well off inter county pace this year, I cannot see him making the cut but jbm does seem to like him as continues to give him game time, strange one I assume panel for league will be named shortly So we will see

I agree with all of the above,

May I add also that Conor Sull needs to on the panel if not starting this year,
He is a solid option in the full back line imo,

Jury still out on the following in my book,
Walsh,tries his best,but i could see him get cleaned when up against the tipps etc
O'Connor,has the hurling,speed maybe lacking, maybe a year or two down the line he ll be a better fit
Cian Mac, i know he played well last week but i dont think he has the inter county hurling cork need in the forwards,
Haughney,nippy hurler, has great potential, needs more work imo

I d go with a starting team of the following if it was my call
1.Nash

2.Joyce.3.O Neill,4. Conor Sull
5.Cahalane.6.Ellis.7.Lorcan
8.AidanW. 9.Kearney

10.harnedy.11.Cooper.12.Lehane
13.PaudieSull (If fit)/LukeF 14.PatHorgan. 15.Cadogan

anybody else care to put a team together?

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-01-2015 12:10AM

Canyon86 wrote: »

I agree with all of the above,

May I add also that Conor Sull needs to on the panel if not starting this year,
He is a solid option in the full back line imo,

Jury still out on the following in my book,
Walsh,tries his best,but i could see him get cleaned when up against the tipps etc
O'Connor,has the hurling,speed maybe lacking, maybe a year or two down the line he ll be a better fit
Cian Mac, i know he played well last week but i dont think he has the inter county hurling cork need in the forwards,
Haughney,nippy hurler, has great potential, needs more work imo

I d go with a starting team of the following if it was my call
1.Nash

2.Joyce.3.O Neill,4. Conor Sull
5.Cahalane.6.Ellis.7.Lorcan
8.AidanW. 9.Kearney

10.harnedy.11.Cooper.12.Lehane
13.PaudieSull (If fit)/LukeF 14.PatHorgan. 15.Cadogan

anybody else care to put a team together?

Agree most that but no way in team as tipp proved is Joyce a two no way Jose with all flying ducks world would have o Neill at full and no way Cahalane at five

They played there v tipp and we're brutally exposed

For kilkenny game Nash

O Sullivan he didn't play last year but tbh nothing wrong o Neill or mcdonmell imo
Full back Cahalane
Mcdonmell if not fit o Neill if not Burke

Cormac murphy Joyce or Ellis I'd go Joyce and lorchan

Walsh Kearney

Cooper harnedy lehane
Luke Anthony Spillane Alan cadogan

Paudie unlucky loose out like moylan

No way would start horgan needs wake up call large dose reality living off reputation

It makes sense · 28-01-2015 12:22AM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I like castle mstur geuinely

What I don't like is other players will get critise fair point but then some don't

Your honest lad and I admire respect that your views say look this Lad fine club man but not cork standard

Cork gaa needs attuide like yours

What you make hurling so far any players stand out

Two games this weekend Wexford and limerick then panel be announced

Your very technical in your assement
Would you think cork are different this year
Would you give rochestown chance Saturday

I think they will win

I think Joyce has to start full back jbm spoilt for chance in corners with o'neill and mac to come back Conor o playing centre back has to be Ellis flanked by loc and possible cahalane. Midfield Daniel shoo in I would give walsh a go in first few league matches.

Front six is going to be very interesting has to be lehane, copper and harnie half forward with cadogan I would leave Horgan out to start with and go with Spillane and Luke, let Hoggie get some fire back. Bench with Cronin, Hoggie, wt al great experience to bring on

I think Landers has added more brute force this year more power I would have high hopes as there is good depth to the panel cover in most positions look at the keepers Nash number one but young lad is going to be great in time

As for Rochestown I think they have a great chance based on they team spirit and tactics been impressed both times I saw them this season.

Canyon86 · 28-01-2015 12:26AM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Agree most that but no way in team as tipp proved is Joyce a two no way Jose with all flying ducks world would have o Neill at full and no way Cahalane at five

They played there v tipp and we're brutally exposed

For kilkenny game Nash

O Sullivan he didn't play last year but tbh nothing wrong o Neill or mcdonmell imo
Full back Cahalane
Mcdonmell if not fit o Neill if not Burke

Cormac murphy Joyce or Ellis I'd go Joyce and lorchan

Walsh Kearney

Cooper harnedy lehane
Luke Anthony Spillane Alan cadogan

Paudie unlucky loose out like moylan

No way would start horgan needs wake up call large dose reality living off reputation

thanks for your comments,ttm

anthony spillane is a class act,

is patrick cronin on the panel this year??

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-01-2015 01:41AM

Canyon86 wrote: »

thanks for your comments,ttm

anthony spillane is a class act,

is patrick cronin on the panel this year??

Yeah cronin is there not captain

Real good bonus me is cork have real competition

Even in every position there two men per place imo that viable options

Nash Mccarthy Collins news be

Corner backs o Neill Sullivan mcdonmell Burke

Full Joyce and Cahalane

Half backs

Murphy Ellis lorchan Barry
Joyce and o Connor possible

Midfield two Walsh possible Andy
Kearney ans o shea
Half forward
Lehane coughlan cooper harnedy kelleher maybe Lordan
John cronin should be added

Full forward

Luke moylan pebbles cronin Spillane cadogan horgan

Colm Spillane if injury free is on radar so could be full back option but I think cork now see him ball winner half forward

Some real competition and I'd have large panel league and yes all may not game but key is in training with two vying position you get real kilkenny style high octane intensity he'll for leather match day games in training

No place safe
Every player is judged on form

I'm happy so far season but league panel announcement be interesting

Spillane could be real bolter like cadogan last year all he needs is game

He's bullish aggressive hurler and he's confidence and real work horse

Mcgrath spoke highly Walsh work ethic
He's right stand alone quality Seanie said

He's kilkenny type but hurling worries me but showed improve last week so maybe could but I think clare midfield were not elite level last week still won lot ball

Up against hogan tony Kelly or woodcock he'll need sharp hurling so time will tell

Orizio · 28-01-2015 05:40AM

I'd guess a league panel similar to this:

A. Nash
P. Collins
D. McCarthy

S. O'Neill
S. McDonald
D. Cahalane
C. Joyce
M. Ellis
L. McLoughlin
C. O'Sullivan
K. Burke
C. Barry
C. Murphy
D. Roche

A. Walsh
D. Kearney
R. O'Shea
A. Walsh

C. Lehane
S. Harnedy
B. Cooper
L. O'Farrell
P. Horgan
P. O'Sullivan
S. Moylan
P. Kelleher
D. Lee
P. Cronin
A. Cadogan
C. McCarthy

30 in total.

CORKDOUBLE · 28-01-2015 08:21AM

Orizio wrote: »

I'd guess a league panel similar to this:

A. Nash
P. Collins
D. McCarthy

S. O'Neill
S. McDonald
D. Cahalane
C. Joyce
M. Ellis
L. McLoughlin
C. O'Sullivan
K. Burke
C. Barry
C. Murphy
D. Roche

A. Walsh
D. Kearney
R. O'Shea
A. Walsh

C. Lehane
S. Harnedy
B. Cooper
L. O'Farrell
P. Horgan
P. O'Sullivan
S. Moylan
P. Kelleher
D. Lee
P. Cronin
A. Cadogan
C. McCarthy

30 in total.

I think that you will be close with that panel .....i would have William Kearney instead of Daniel Roche..

Gary Neville · 28-01-2015 10:58AM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Sean if you had wish name five people for cork senior football management set up who be??

Strength conditions be separate

Mine be Cleary, English coach

Cahalane, James Mccarthy kissanne
Ed coughlan s and c

James and kissanne be there learn and be groomed main riles in time

We all agree that our management team is simply not good enough and it makes sense to look at the alternatives.

However, let's not forget that we have huge issues in appointing IC Managers at all levels in Cork. In the US Corporate World, if a board appoints a bad CEO/Manager then they are held accountable - we have made some terrible managerial appointments at senior and Underage yet, typically, no one is pointing the finger at the people responsible - there is one common denominater and we all know who that individual is.

IMO he should now just focus on the new stadium and pass on all other duties to others. He should certainly never again have a role in the appointment of IC Managers.

No thought goes into the selection of a selection committee - last time - we had 3 from the Executive and 3 delegates with Ryan having a casting vote. It was Ryan, Lane and Frank and effectively any 3 delegates who were prepared to go forward. Nothing against 4 of the 6 as they did their best but what did they know about the qualities necessary to select an IC Manager ? As for Frank and Bob - the less said the better.

We tried 3 ex players after Gerald resigned -Coughlan, JBM and Fenton and they came up with Denis Walsh - hardly brilliant. We had players on the committee as recommended by K Mulvey but Frank gerry-mandered that process.

It's very hard to come up with a good formula - Probably need a top Director of Hurling and Football and let these 2 give recommendations to the CB. I'd hope that Lane and Kennedy might improve the process.

Horse84 · 28-01-2015 03:12PM

An acknowledgment of sorts that padraic Duffy thinks PUC is a white elephant

Duffy also acknowledged the arguments for rebuilding Páirc Uí Chaoimh and Casement Park are “disputable”.

He said Cork’s situation posed “a greater financial challenge, even with generous support from the government of €30m and Cork County Committee’s own investment of over €10m”.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/weve-too-many-unfilled-stadiums-admits-paraic-duffy-309345.html

zetecescort · 28-01-2015 08:14PM

Horse84 wrote: »

An acknowledgment of sorts that padraic Duffy thinks PUC is a white elephant

Duffy also acknowledged the arguments for rebuilding Páirc Uí Chaoimh and Casement Park are “disputable”.

He said Cork’s situation posed “a greater financial challenge, even with generous support from the government of €30m and Cork County Committee’s own investment of over €10m”.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/weve-too-many-unfilled-stadiums-admits-paraic-duffy-309345.html

hopefully it means that Croke Park will be watching the numbers closely.

sean mac · 28-01-2015 08:28PM

zetecescort wrote: »

hopefully it means that Croke Park will be watching the numbers closely.

Doubt ut unfortunately duffy is all mouth and zero substance when it comes to this sort of issue

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-01-2015 11:07PM

Peter Kelleher injury doubt for Saturday night likely be out hurling

Cork double you have interest cork football
He still with football under twenty one team and that set up what I hear is flying
They have good tough challenge match lined up this weekend up the country
Nice game be fair imo ti have

namloc1980 · 28-01-2015 11:20PM

Horse84 wrote: »

An acknowledgment of sorts that padraic Duffy thinks PUC is a white elephant

Duffy also acknowledged the arguments for rebuilding Páirc Uí Chaoimh and Casement Park are “disputable”.

He said Cork’s situation posed “a greater financial challenge, even with generous support from the government of €30m and Cork County Committee’s own investment of over €10m”.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/weve-too-many-unfilled-stadiums-admits-paraic-duffy-309345.html

So why aren't they questioning the need for this €70m spend? The GAA should review what it's stadium requirements actually are before allowing all these developments. Four 40k+ capacity stadiums in Munster alone is maddness.

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