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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • #902
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Oh they can. They just don't want to.

    They can't though. The thought that they are just homophobic is so abhorrent to them that they can't grasp that their reasons for voting no ARE homophobic.


  • #903
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    reprise wrote: »
    Does this post mark another full circle to the sound of anal sex leaflet and Iona conspiracy theories?

    Excuse me?


  • #904
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Excuse me?

    You may go.


  • #905
    WoolyJumper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WoolyJumper


    archer22 wrote: »
    I will vote no..the whole thing is ridiculous pointless and turning marriage into a joke.

    I'm sure this has been pointed out already but i haven't read through the whole thread yet.....surely it's people getting married and applying for a divorce 3 days later that is turning marriage into a joke? People fighting for the right to marry and making a lifelong commitment to eachother is a testament to marriage and strengthens it. Right?


  • #906
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    MrPudding wrote: »
    But it isn't really an assumption, and there is plenty to back it up...
    There is plenty of evidence that his children would be the same if their Mother and (step-mother) were replaced by men?! Do you even read what I write?

    MrPudding wrote: »
    With the greatest respect, should you not, perhaps, try to educate yourself on the subject rather than declaring that there is no evidence?

    ?! You wrote this in response to me saying I had read a few of those papers...and again, if you read what I wrote you would know what I was saying there is no evidence for...but I ask too much.
    MrPudding wrote: »
    The right to be married. Not sure how you missed that. I guess with all the misinformation that is being thrown around one might be forgiven for not realising that the one and only thing this referendum is about is allowing same sex couples equal access to civil marriage. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Again, I quoted marriageequality.ie, saying they have a different angle to you regarding which Rights are being denied.


    MrPudding wrote: »
    Ha. You got me. I knew LB would not ask, he has no interest in reading anything that does not confirm his viewpoint. Now I have to go and dig the references out.

    You haven't read a single word I wrote or if you have, you've arranged them mentally, in a way that doesn't correspond to how they were sequenced in my posts.


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  • #907
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    reprise wrote: »
    Does this post mark another full circle to the sound of anal sex leaflet and Iona conspiracy theories?

    Is this the part we have to pretend that a person who admits to having no good reason whatsoever to deny marriage equality and who recognises gay people are capable of being parents isn't prejudiced in any shape or form if he still intends to vote no?

    This is a person who's own race based analogy made him look racist just to add.


  • #908
    Zen65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Zen65


    Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »
    If I was to use a race analogy again (purely hypotethical but just to try and show my point of view a bit better), how would you define a person like this:

    Seat segregation on buses: 100% disagree
    Integration in School: 100% agree
    Right to Vote: 100% agree
    Black President: Can't stretch that far just yet

    Is the above person a racist or are they someone like out of American History X going through an "attitude adjustment"

    Certainly a person with that point of view is racist, and they may or may not be going through an "attitude adjustment". For the most part, people who hold that view are really saying "of course I don't want to turn back the clock and become more racist, but I want to hold on to my existing racial prejudices for the moment rather than move to a less racist position".

    We saw such views in Northern Ireland for years, where racism was replaced by sectarianism. . . . e.g. "it's too soon to allow Catholics into the PSNI", and "it's not right that we should have to talk to the residents before marching down that street".


  • #909
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    floggg wrote: »
    Is this the part we have to pretend that a person who admits to having no good reason whatsoever to deny marriage equality and who recognises gay people are capable of being parents isn't prejudiced in any shape or form if he still intends to vote no?

    This is a person who's own race based analogy made him look racist just to add.

    I didn't read all his posts, but this thread is becoming very hostile to anyone with an opposing viewpoint and dare I say, offensive to a number of those who may agree.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94009608&postcount=519

    Just thought I'd point it out.


  • #910
    WoolyJumper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WoolyJumper


    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    I'll be voting yes. Finally got me off my ass to move my voting address.
    So that everyone has equality and proper protection under the law.


    Some people think it doesn't affect them, but it affects us all, it is our society, our friends and our relations. Our fellow Irish men and women.

    This is to you but also anyone else who has made it there intention to support equality. I've spent too much time arguing with people who are voting no and not enough time saying thanks to those who support this referendum

    As much as I wish we didnt have to vote on this we do, and I genuinely appreciate yours and others commitment to supporting this. I know its not always easy to have the motivation to go out and register or change your voting address when the issue wont directly affect you. This will make big difference to my life and so many others.

    So genuinely a big thanks to everyone here supporting this :)


  • #911
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    reprise wrote: »
    I didn't read all his posts, but this thread is becoming very hostile to anyone with an opposing viewpoint and dare I say, offensive to a number of those who may agree.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94009608&postcount=519

    Just thought I'd point it out.

    Indeed.

    All the decent quairs and their pure daycent and respectable straight supporters know the path to equality is by asking nicely, saying please, and accepting that it is a gift not a right.


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  • #912
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    reprise wrote: »
    I didn't read all his posts, but this thread is becoming very hostile to anyone with an opposing viewpoint and dare I say, offensive to a number of those who may agree.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94009608&postcount=519

    Just thought I'd point it out.

    I don't know why anyone in any thread should be forced to keep quiet and smile at people who have opposing views. There was nothing hostile towards CTRL ALT DELETE. Just repeated questions of the same thing that the poster refused to answer or explain.
    Yes, there's a lot of crude language in that post. Can you point out the hostility and attack on other people?


  • #913
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    sup_dude wrote: »
    I don't know why anyone in any thread should be forced to keep quiet and smile at people who have opposing views. There was nothing hostile towards CTRL ALT DELETE. Just repeated questions of the same thing that the poster refused to answer or explain.
    Yes, there's a lot of crude language in that post. Can you point out the hostility and attack on other people?

    It's a general impression, I have no desire to dissect the thread. The hostility is not going to work. This is still a very big deal to a lot of people and they won't need much incentive to vote no.

    This isn't about trying to convert no voters, this is about giving yourselves a chance.


  • #914
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    reprise wrote: »
    It's a general impression, I have no desire to dissect the thread. The hostility is not going to work. This is still a very big deal to a lot of people and they won't need much incentive to vote no.

    This isn't about trying to convert no voters, this is about giving yourselves a chance.

    In other words you don't know what has been said in the thread, you aren't bothered finding out but you still want to throw around the latest canard of the poor victimized no supporters. 'And shur all they were tryna do was deny people their equality!'


  • #915
    Zen65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Zen65


    Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »
    I get your last point and im really not trying to be offensive here but can you not see that for people who believe in the sanctity of marriage then having gay people being allowed marry does take away from them and their beliefs and is grossly offensive to them?

    Only because they choose to take offence.
    sanctity
    ˈsaŋ(k)tɪti
    noun

    1.
    the state or quality of being holy, sacred, or saintly.
    "the site of the tomb was a place of sanctity for the ancient Egyptians"
    synonyms: holiness, godliness, sacredness, blessedness, saintliness, sanctitude, spirituality, piety, piousness, devoutness, devotion, righteousness, goodness, virtue, virtuousness, purity

    2.
    ultimate importance and inviolability.
    "the sanctity of human life"
    synonyms: sacrosanctity, ultimate importance, inviolability; rareparamountcy
    "gone is the sanctity of the family meal"

    I think that the sanctity of marriage is enshrined in the belief that it must be given the highest recognition and importance. Marriage is not intended by statute to be something that is entered glibly, without due commitment to honour the contract for the remainder of life. I think it could be argued that despite the introduction of (restrictive) laws allowing for legal separation and divorce, Irish laws and the Irish constitution recognises the sanctity of a marriage contract.

    This referendum, if passed, will not change that. All that changes is that those persons eligible to enter such a contract is now being widened to include persons of the same sex. Why should anybody find that objectionable? The idea that it is not in keeping with religious teachings is pure nonsense, since

    (a) Jesus did not, insofar as any scripture has recorded, make any comment on same sex marriage, nor homosexual relations.

    and

    (b) Our laws already defy a great deal of the teachings of the old testament, and nobody minds. Moreover, if you tried to (re)introduce some of the laws that are prescribed in old testament scriptures, there would be riots and our country would be condemned internationally as being unsuited for civilised society. We would be shunned. What country would follow old testament teachings and permit rape, murder, stoning and slavery? The idea that we should follow religious teachings and prohibit same sex marriage is based entirely on homophobia (though in fairness many people who oppose it do not realise that their beliefs stem from ancient homophobia).

    Remember - all of the reasons being given for not allowing same sex marriage were also used with equal (genuine) conviction to stop inter-racial marriages. We are not being asked to redefine the contract of marriage, we are simply being asked to make the guest list more inclusive.

    (re OP - obviously I'm voting 'yes')


  • #916
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    reprise wrote: »
    I didn't read all his posts, but this thread is becoming very hostile to anyone with an opposing viewpoint and dare I say, offensive to a number of those who may agree.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94009608&postcount=519

    Just thought I'd point it out.

    Wow. One coarsely worded, but nevertheless legitimate, statement of frustration of a person who has to argue for the right to be seen as equal posted two days and 15 pages ago.

    The humanity.

    Also, if you didn't read the posts, maybe you should go back and do so before commenting. There were pages and pages of people trying to get the poster to explain why he was opposed to equality, but by his own admission he didn't have any whatsoever, yet still intended to vote no.

    How would you describe that?


  • #917
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    In other words you don't know what has been said in the thread, you aren't bothered finding out but you still want to throw around the latest canard of the poor victimized no supporters. 'And shur all they were tryna do was deny people their equality!'

    No, I have contributed already, but its a faster thread than I have time for. I am merely stating my impression that it is quite a hostile thread. Your closing note being quite exemplary.


  • #918
    Zen65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Zen65


    floggg wrote: »
    There were pages and pages of people trying to get the poster to explain why he was opposed to equality, but by his own admission he didn't have any whatsoever, yet still intended to vote no.

    How would you describe that?

    "All too common" sadly


  • #919
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    reprise wrote: »
    I didn't read all his posts, but this thread is becoming very hostile to anyone with an opposing viewpoint and dare I say, offensive to a number of those who may agree.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94009608&postcount=519

    Just thought I'd point it out.

    A bit of offense vs your right to marry. No contest.


  • #920
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    floggg wrote: »
    Wow. One coarsely worded, but nevertheless legitimate, statement of frustration of a person who has to argue for the right to be seen as equal posted two days and 15 pages ago.

    The humanity.

    Also, if you didn't read the posts, maybe you should go back and do so before commenting. There were pages and pages of people trying to get the poster to explain why he was opposed to equality, but by his own admission he didn't have any whatsoever, yet still intended to vote no.

    How would you describe that?

    Life.


  • #921
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    eviltwin wrote: »
    A bit of offense vs your right to marry. No contest.

    I thought you were trying to win this vote, not beat everyone who disagreed out of the debate and hopefully the ballot box.


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  • #922
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    reprise wrote: »
    I thought you were trying to win this vote, not beat everyone who disagreed out of the debate and hopefully the ballot box.

    I'm responding to you. People are offended by the idea of SSM but if it passes they will move on with their lives just as they did with divorce and civil partnership. They probably won't be happy but it's not going to have any major impact on their lives. The same can't be said for gay people. Just something to think about.


  • #923
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    reprise wrote: »
    I thought you were trying to win this vote, not beat everyone who disagreed out of the debate and hopefully the ballot box.

    It is a gross injustice that there has to be a referendum.

    Having to listen to RTE "balance" equality with equal amounts of bigotry in the run-up adds insult to injury.

    I'm not surprised folks come on here and vent.


  • #924
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    reprise wrote: »
    Life.

    How witty.

    I guess your concern is only genuine when one side of the debate doesn't comport to your expected standards of behaviour.


  • #925
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I'm responding to you. People are offended by the idea of SSM but if it passes they will move on with their lives just as they did with divorce and civil partnership. They probably won't be happy but it's not going to have any major impact on their lives. The same can't be said for gay people. Just something to think about.

    Thanks eviltwin, I'd be very interested in your (and everyones) thoughts on the second letter in the Irish Times today.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/marriage-referendum-1.2081576


  • #926
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    reprise wrote: »
    Thanks eviltwin, I'd be very interested in your (and everyones) thoughts on the second letter in the Irish Times today.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/marriage-referendum-1.2081576


    Never confuse a well written argument with a valid one.


  • #927
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    reprise wrote: »
    Thanks eviltwin, I'd be very interested in your (and everyones) thoughts on the second letter in the Irish Times today.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/marriage-referendum-1.2081576

    "Neither man nor woman fully captures what it is to be human"... It all went downhill from here. It's all about how marriage is between a man and a woman. I disagree.


  • #928
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    floggg wrote: »
    How witty.

    I guess your concern is only genuine when one side of the debate doesn't comport to your expected standards of behaviour.

    It may have escaped your attention, But theres been precious few people brave enough to dare offer an opposing opinion here no matter how mild.


  • #929
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    reprise wrote: »
    Thanks eviltwin, I'd be very interested in your (and everyones) thoughts on the second letter in the Irish Times today.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/marriage-referendum-1.2081576

    You first.


  • #930
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    reprise wrote: »
    It may have escaped your attention, But theres been precious few people brave enough to dare offer an opposing opinion here no matter how mild.

    And those who have, haven't offered a strong enough argument for there side to be considered noteworthy


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  • #931
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    reprise wrote: »
    Thanks eviltwin, I'd be very interested in your (and everyones) thoughts on the second letter in the Irish Times today.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/marriage-referendum-1.2081576

    Load of nonsense

    Eta the letter above it is spot on


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