Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

bangkok wrote: »

You don't need to understand team mates in fairness, he has falcao making class runs blind just needs to put the ball in their to give falcao a chance. He never took a single risk tonight, needs to step up his game, he is playing for man utd now not Ajax

If he just put the ball in then that wouldn't work either. He needs to put the ball in at the right time and in the right place. That requires an understanding with the strikers.

United would be doing very well to be passing the ball like Ajax btw.

Robson99 wrote: »

Pro F Its about getting your head up and putting the ball in. A 10 year old would be coached that.

And yet it's a very common occurrence for high level professional players to have these problems.

After tonight, are we agreed that the formation isn't everything? We played 442.

Some players were just simply poor, from the first minute when Di Maria couldn't control a simple ball.

Whether that is the players' fault or the managers' is debatable

Di Maria is one of the world's best players, it's worrying when he plays so poorly

Poor tonight.

Im trying to think of a sensible notion to put forward as to why the talent we have, couldn't put away a mid table league 2 side.
I'm thinking we are very rigid and thus easy to defend against with a bit of organisation, which has been evident in quite a few games. In fact, it seems to me that the 2 midfielders to the sides as in januzaj and Fellaini play very wide almost like conventional wide midfielders in a traditional flat 4. I'm thinking does this have the effect of crowding the full backs space coming forward and isolating Carrick. If these two were narrower, Carrick could drop deeper to take it from the centre halves, avoiding the need for them to come out with it (poorly as they do). He then has options ahead to play one twos and work space as well as the wide options of the full backs moving on. As it is, it appears the options are for the centre halves or Carrick to play it more direct to the forwards or to play it wide where 2 players are standing alongside each other.

Essentially we need more movement and more fluidity and more Herrera and more cranky Januzaj...I think he did well a couple of times late on when he appeared to be a bit agitated.


Did I really just type all that in the midst of struggling to beat a league 2 side? Oh dear...

The main thing I got from tonight is that Phil Jones is not United standard, never has been and never will be, and he should be sold/gotten rid of as soon as is reasonably possible. He is stealing a wage at the club. Rojo, while not exactly being a world beater himself, looks a far better player in every respect. As has been said above, hopefully LVG's mind has been made up about a few players. Simply not good enough tonight.

Jones was absoultly a disgrace, him and smalling are a pure and utter disaster. They've had years now, both are never going to be at the level required for a top team, arguably you could throw Evans in with them too, equally as clumsy and foolish at the back.

Januzai was the only positive.

WallyGUFC wrote: »

The main thing I got from tonight is that Phil Jones is not United standard, never has been and never will be, and he should be sold/gotten rid of as soon as is reasonably possible. He is stealing a wage at the club. Rojo, while not exactly being a world beater himself, looks a far better player in every respect. As has been said above, hopefully LVG's mind has been made up about a few players. Simply not good enough tonight.

Interestingly they said on BBC that of the 11 who flopped v MK Dons, 9 never played for United since (and probably never will again).
DDG was the exception, and Evans, who may get the chop soon

LVG did not like losing 0-4 to MK dons

Rojo is by far our best defender.
Smalling can stay I'd like to see him form a partnership with Rojo, his pace would compliment him well.
Jones and Evans can take a hike imo.

I'm ok with it. Gives a big squad another game at home for out of form players to try and get their game back, while not risking precious league points. Unlike years gone by, the extra game is certainly a positive. As someone said, crap like this result happens. What's worrying is how badly theyre playing obviously. Hopefully games and competition within the squad will rectify it

newballsplease wrote: »

Jones still taking corners is still bizarre from lvg

Surely with his height, he should be in the box. He doesn't even have good dead-ball ability. It's just baffling.

Awful performance but not surprising. Also what I don't understand is how our defenders are getting the blame. They maintained clean sheet which is their primary duty, blaming Valencia is fine as he was attacking outlet on right but Jones? WTF. Looks like few people have this preset posts where they blame certain players no matter what.

Out attacking play was embarrassing, this team doesn't play like a team at all. Absolutely 0 combination play, just hoping for some moment of magic from one of the attacker.

Also match day thread is just embarrassing, especially from one set of fans with weird mentality. When United fan post during their game they make is sound as if it's the biggest mistake on internet but the same people make posts to wind up on United match day threads. Always best to avoid those threads.

The Jones and Valencia bashing going on over the last couple of pages is funny. Blame two of the back four when the four in front of them were pure muck. Carrick, Fellani and Di Maria are the ones who done sweet F.A in the game. Janazuai has had very little game time. The back four and DeGea done what they had to do.
But we create only a couple of chances against L2 opposition, fail to score and we blame the CHalf and R Back. Dear oh Dear