DVD v BluRay

Zubeneschamali · 21-01-2015 01:52PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Haha, that's a nice dream

Along with the usual new releases the kids wanted to see, like Guardians of the Galaxy and How to Train Your Dragon 2, I ordered blu-rays of Kelly's Heroes and Where Eagle's Dare this Christmas, and did indeed watch them with the kids - movies I remember watching around their age.

We had a good laugh at both (even though WED is not supposed to be a comedy).

Tony EH · 21-01-2015 02:08PM

Just as a matter of interest, what did the kids make of 'Where Eagles Dare', besides laughing

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I remember watching that on TV every time it was on and loving it.

Still love it.

beauf · 21-01-2015 02:19PM

Always watch Eagles at Xmas. My kid watched it the first time this yeah he said it was good.

pixelburp wrote: »

Haha, that's a nice dream, though I'd throw some caution that there's a good chance your kids might go "jeez, Dad, this is borrrrring, I wanna watch Transformers 8 on my Occulus implant"

So true. They have very different interests.

beauf · 21-01-2015 02:20PM

How would you rate the BD of Kellys and Eagles?

Zubeneschamali · 21-01-2015 02:32PM

beauf wrote: »

How would you rate the BD of Kellys and Eagles?

I hadn't seen either in years and years - WED uses lots of blue screen, and it's pretty sad. KH was mostly practical effects, actual tanks driving around actual Yugoslavia-pretending-to-be-France, so it's aged better.

Zubeneschamali · 21-01-2015 02:35PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest, what did the kids make of 'Where Eagles Dare', besides laughing .

They enjoyed it well enough, but between the ropey effects, the bottomless bag'o'dynamite the lads carried and the ridiculous double-double-double cross interrogation scene, we were in fits laughing at it vs. laughing with KH.

beauf · 21-01-2015 03:25PM

I think thats a problem with a lot of movies. The effects date badly. A "modern" audience often can't get past it.

21-01-2015 03:26PM

Which is why The Hobbit will (does) look ****e in a few years Vs Lord of the Rings.

Practical effects will always look better

indough · 21-01-2015 03:31PM

There are quite a few practical effects in Where Eagles Dare, if I am remembering correctly there were also a number of injuries on set caused by them, including serious burns sustained by both the director and producer. It was also one of the first films to use front projection for some of the effects, rather than blue screen.

Tony EH · 21-01-2015 03:37PM

I think the effects hold up well enough in 'Where Eagles Dare'.

It was made in 1968 after all.

TheDoc · 21-01-2015 05:15PM

holy ****, I havn't seen Where Eagles Dare in donkeys.

Went through this phase as a relatively young child where my granddad would bring me down to Xtravision and he'd show me all the classic westerns and war movies. Was favourite part of my week, stay the night over and have this ultimate film fest of stuff my mother definitly wouldn't want me to see.

I remember Where Eagles Dare big time, because I just shouldnt shake the image of Eastwood brandishing two Mp40's

TheDoc · 21-01-2015 05:17PM

I actually couldn't make the purchase fast enough

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kellys-Heroes-Eagles-Double-Blu-ray/dp/B009CSWMP2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1421860574&sr=8-4&keywords=where+eagles+dare

Impulse buy strikes again!

*Edit: Just noticed there is a 2 for £10 on Amazon at the moment. Just grabbed Where Eagles Dare, Kellys Heroes, Guns of Navarone and The Eagle has Landed.

Technocentral · 21-01-2015 09:34PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I actually couldn't make the purchase fast enough

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kellys-Heroes-Eagles-Double-Blu-ray/dp/B009CSWMP2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1421860574&sr=8-4&keywords=where+eagles+dare

Impulse buy strikes again!

*Edit: Just noticed there is a 2 for £10 on Amazon at the moment. Just grabbed Where Eagles Dare, Kellys Heroes, Guns of Navarone and The Eagle has Landed.

Pacifist, eh?

micks_address · 21-01-2015 09:46PM

Tony EH wrote: »

But you're not really comparing like for like.

Of course a brand new BluRay transfer is going to be better than an old DVD transfer.

I've seen the new BluRay of 'The professionals' and it blows the old 2002 DVD transfer out of the water...but of course it would.

But the only real comparison would be to see a new DVD copy of a new transfer against the new BluRay copy.

The point is that for the vast majority of people, a new, well produced DVD (especially of TV material) would be perfectly fine, and even more preferable when stacked against the cost of a BluRay.

I'd agree with this especially if you are watching on a 32" set. At something like 50" the difference is much more pronounced.. It's like blowing up a low res photo.. It doesn't look to bad small but when blown up gets messy.

I was buying blu rays since the ps3 came out.. I remember paying 45 euro superman the movie in hmv!Think I bought the box set with all the movies for 15 euro last year..

It's not all about picture quality either.. If you have the right setup for audio there is a significant upgrade in quality..

I can see quite a difference between sky HD channels and blu ray.. But I'm a picture freak so have an isf calibrated 50" Panasonic plasma

Anyway sorry a but late to the thread so apologies if treading old ground

Cheers
Mick

Technocentral · 22-01-2015 01:55PM

Tony EH wrote: »

I think the effects hold up well enough in 'Where Eagles Dare'.

It was made in 1968 after all.

So was "2001", but that's the daddy of the mac daddy.

Tony EH · 22-01-2015 02:14PM

Aye,

But I'd argue that '2001' had an easier time of it in the effects dept. Douglas Trumbull et al were creating model effects for a Sci-Fi space scenario, where imagination can be more...fluid...shall we say. The effects in 'Where Eagles Dare' have to replicate real life situations (of something that happened 20+ years previously) and would be naturally harder to do.

Those monkey suits at the beginning of '2001' don't look so good any more though. Not that they looked so great in the first place.

happysunnydays · 22-01-2015 05:24PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Those monkey suits at the beginning of '2001' don't look so good any more though..

Hold on! ...those were suits?

Wedwood · 22-01-2015 11:59PM

Was previously using a PS3 to play blurays which was fine, but got a proper BluRay player (with 5.1 speakers) over Christmas and WOW !!! The picture quality is miles ahead of the PS3, and listening to lossless DTS/ Dolby is superb.

I like buying Sony gear (which both the TV and Bluray player are), which is a bit expensive but the quality is there and lasts.

I watched my Raiders of the Lost Ark BD on the new setup and it looked and sounded like a brand new movie.

After buying that movie on VHS, VHS widescreen, DVD, now finally Bluray, I can finally say that along with most of my other Blurays now looks (and sounds) as good if not better than the cinema presentation, which is the Holy Grail for Home Cinema enthusiasts.

micks_address · 23-01-2015 10:15AM

There shouldn't be much difference in the ps3 and a newer blu-ray player.. were you connected up via hdmi on the ps3?

Wedwood wrote: »

Was previously using a PS3 to play blurays which was fine, but got a proper BluRay player (with 5.1 speakers) over Christmas and WOW !!! The picture quality is miles ahead of the PS3, and listening to lossless DTS/ Dolby is superb.

I like buying Sony gear (which both the TV and Bluray player are), which is a bit expensive but the quality is there and lasts.

I watched my Raiders of the Lost Ark BD on the new setup and it looked and sounded like a brand new movie.

After buying that movie on VHS, VHS widescreen, DVD, now finally Bluray, I can finally say that along with most of my other Blurays now looks (and sounds) as good if not better than the cinema presentation, which is the Holy Grail for Home Cinema enthusiasts.

Technocentral · 23-01-2015 11:51AM

Tony EH wrote:

Those monkey suits at the beginning of '2001' don't look so good any more though. Not that they looked so great in the first place.

That was make up effects, I was referring to the opticals effects.

23-01-2015 12:32PM

And that is as bad as they are ever going to look.
Think how bad early computer effects look nowadays (even given how amazing they looked originally)

Technocentral · 23-01-2015 12:33PM

Reg'stoy wrote:

I have quite a few DVD and Bluray copies of the same film. Blade Runner and 2001 a space odyssey for me are improved greatly in both audio and picture. Dune another favorite of mine, it's picture quality was improved dramatically in Bluray. Event Horizon, again the picture is improved.

I have some DVD and Blu Ray versions of the same films, and the Blu rays are far superior eg Blade Runner, 2001, Casablanca, Lawrence of Arabia etc, it's not just the transfer it's the higher picture definition of Blu Ray, conversely with TV stuff I have like Seinfeld and Cheers I've no interest in HD versions as the characters and dialogue is all that's important.(picture is fine on DVDs btw especially Seinfeld), only DVD box set I have that I'd like on Blu Ray is Northern Exposure as it was nicely shot.

beauf · 23-01-2015 01:58PM

Technocentral wrote: »

Pacifist, eh?

Incidentally if you look at how Client came to be in Kellys and why he was unhappy with it. It turns out it was meant (in the original script) to be anti war movie along the lines of Catch 22 etc.

beauf · 23-01-2015 01:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And that is as bad as they are ever going to look.
Think how bad early computer effects look nowadays (even given how amazing they looked originally)

I watched a few recently that I think the effects have dated badly, Memphis belle, Terminator etc.

Wedwood · 24-01-2015 12:02PM

micks_address wrote: »

There shouldn't be much difference in the ps3 and a newer blu-ray player.. were you connected up via hdmi on the ps3?

Same HDMI connections, just a better performance from the Bluray player.

Mike Litoris · 24-01-2015 04:44PM

Wedwood wrote: »

Same HDMI connections, just a better performance from the Bluray player.

There must have been something seriously wrong with your set up for even the most advanced blu ray player to be "miles ahead" of the PS3 in terms of picture quality. The PQ of a PS3s Blu Ray player isn't one of its weak points.

micks_address · 24-01-2015 07:09PM

Mike Litoris wrote: »

There must have been something seriously wrong with your set up for even the most advanced blu ray player to be "miles ahead" of the PS3 in terms of picture quality. The PQ of a PS3s Blu Ray player isn't one of its weak points.

Yep the ps3 isnt the best dvd up scaler but for 1080p is pretty decent

24-01-2015 08:04PM

It was almost the gold standard for years

Jumboman · 24-01-2015 08:28PM

Can anyone here actually tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 42 inch screen or smaller ?

I don't think you really need 1080p unless your TV is bigger than 42 inches

I'd rather see 720p with less compression than have 1080p video with even more compression .

Blu ray would be a perfect format if it didnt use video compression.

Ageyev · 25-01-2015 12:43AM

Can anyone really tell the difference in picture and sound quality between blu-ray players playing a blu-ray disc? Check that you haven't any of the processing settings on like noise reduction (my Sony BD player has this option for BD playback for some daft reason.

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