Athiests - Who cares

Magico Gonzalez · 08-01-2015 06:00PM

Anyone who can't stop gobbing on about the superiority of their beliefs is a tiresome ballroot.

Be that atheism, religion, nationalism or even "their" football team. All the same.

Michael OBrien · 08-01-2015 06:03PM

Grayson wrote: »

A good religious example would be Buddhists. It's a long running discussion about whether Buddhism is a philosophy or religion. It's actually possible for a Buddhist to believe in a higher God and at the same time most don't. So are they atheists or not?

I'd generally say not since there is a supernatural/spiritual aspect, but then again they're not actually believing in a particular God so they technically qualify.

There are certain types of buddhists that have theistic leanings but most buddhists would be atheistic. What is even more interesting is that some hindus can be atheistic and still practice hinduism legitimately (I don't mean ex-hindus or cultural hindus).
As long as someone does not believe in a god, they are atheist. Everything else is additional stances that are optional to that label.
The closest other example would be bachelor, you can be all sorts of bachelor as long as you satisfy one simple requirement, to not be married.

Icepick · 08-01-2015 06:06PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

The new breed of atheist is really excruciatingly annoying to be fair.

One of my cousins is this unfortunate breed (overweight, scraggly facial-hair, does something with computers).

He's always been a bit odd, but no one normally paid him too much attention. This year he was over in our house on Christmas morning as my mother normally hosts her family for a few nibbles and drinks after mass. He was obnoxiously wishing everyone a "happy winter festival" :rolleyes: Got into a huge argument and offended our dear old Grand Aunt who had the temerity to say "God Bless" to him. This caused him to go into a big tirade about sky fairies and sexual abuse yadda yadda yadda. He refused to attend mass with the rest of the family and instead sat outside playing Minecraft on his phone and listening to some God-awful heavy metal music. We were left in no doubt that he is an atheist anyway...

Do you complain the same way about Christians proselytizing, preaching, moralizing and patronizing others?

Baggy Trousers · 08-01-2015 06:20PM

I wish people cared about Planet Earth as much as they do about who created it.

The Bould Rabbit · 08-01-2015 06:24PM

harrymagina wrote: »

Had a friend going around telling the whole local pub he is an athiest after a few jars.

In fairness to him, if it takes a few jars for him to talk about what he doesn't believe in, that's a hell of a lot less than most of the believers I know who bring their faith up numerous times a day. And they're stone cold sober.

blastman · 08-01-2015 06:27PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

The new breed of atheist is really excruciatingly annoying to be fair.

One of my cousins is this unfortunate breed (overweight, scraggly facial-hair, does something with computers).

He's always been a bit odd, but no one normally paid him too much attention. This year he was over in our house on Christmas morning as my mother normally hosts her family for a few nibbles and drinks after mass. He was obnoxiously wishing everyone a "happy winter festival" :rolleyes: Got into a huge argument and offended our dear old Grand Aunt who had the temerity to say "God Bless" to him. This caused him to go into a big tirade about sky fairies and sexual abuse yadda yadda yadda. He refused to attend mass with the rest of the family and instead sat outside playing Minecraft on his phone and listening to some God-awful heavy metal music. We were left in no doubt that he is an atheist anyway...

Ah, the old "my car is red, therefore all cars must be red" argument...

:rolleyes:

My car isn't red, BTW....

Piliger · 08-01-2015 06:30PM

harrymagina wrote: »

Had a friend going around telling the whole local pub he is an athiest after a few jars. I know another Athiest who loves telling people that he is an athiest and going on about how he has been arguing about his wife about baptising the child and keeps bringing it up. I don't care if you are an athiest just please stay quiet about it! How are your athiest friends?

I take it you say the same things about people who wear crucifix necklaces, go to mass each week, wear dog collars ? Yes ?

Aongus Von Bismarck · 08-01-2015 06:33PM

smash wrote: »

Your cousin sounds like a walking cliche.

My father did describe him as a walking c**t alright.

Shrap · 08-01-2015 06:34PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Anyone who can't stop gobbing on about the superiority of their beliefs is a tiresome ballroot.

Be that atheism, religion, nationalism or even "their" football team. All the same.

Beliefs OR interests. I've been bored off my tits many's a time by historical re-enactment fans. I'd welcome an old religion/atheism discussion before that again :eek:

Shrap · 08-01-2015 06:36PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

My father did describe him as a walking c**t alright.

He sounds more like someone with social difficulties tbh. Not sure his atheism is relevant as he'd clearly annoy the heads off you in some other way if it wasn't with the touchiness about religion.

Grayson · 08-01-2015 06:37PM

Shrap wrote: »

Beliefs OR interests. I've been bored off my tits many's a time by historical re-enactment fans. I'd welcome an old religion/atheism discussion before that again :eek:

I had to site next to a guy who owned a glazing business at a wedding. 90 minutes of talk about double and triple glazing. He though my idea of getting a 5 pane window and calling it "Fusion Glazing" was great.

Nobody should think that's a good idea.

gormdubhgorm · 08-01-2015 06:37PM

harrymagina wrote: »

Had a friend going around telling the whole local pub he is an athiest after a few jars. I know another Athiest who loves telling people that he is an athiest and going on about how he has been arguing about his wife about baptising the child and keeps bringing it up. I don't care if you are an athiest just please stay quiet about it! How are your athiest friends?

On the plus side: you wont have to put up with this fella for eternity

zcorpian88 · 08-01-2015 08:42PM

harrymagina wrote: »

Had a friend going around telling the whole local pub he is an athiest after a few jars. I know another Athiest who loves telling people that he is an athiest and going on about how he has been arguing about his wife about baptising the child and keeps bringing it up. I don't care if you are an athiest just please stay quiet about it! How are your athiest friends?

Any athiest I know is the same, they have to gain all the attention when out at a party, if somebody brings up God or Jesus or any religous phrase. One particular friend of mine will go on this big rant and won't shut up for the night.

I myself am not religous but I don't like labelling myself either, too busy living to be gawking up at the sky.

The only reason most people baptize their children in my mind would be so their kid has somewhat of a normal childhood, the same as their own and everybody elses. Being left out of the Catholic mumbo jumbo in schools like communion and confirmation that would be a breeding ground for children to alienate the different kid who didn't go for communion, might be damaging to a kids self esteem. Kids can be cruel that way.

Zubeneschamali · 08-01-2015 08:54PM

zcorpian88 wrote: »

Any athiest I know is the same.

No, any atheist you know about may be like this.

But you know plenty of other atheists who don't advertise it. Some in church, even. I once heard a parish priest giving a sermon say he didn't believe in God.

wp_rathead · 08-01-2015 08:56PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

No, any atheist you know about may belike this.

But you know plenty of other atheists who don't advertise it. Some in church, even. I once heard a parish priest giving a sermon say he didn't believe in God.

Was it Fr Jack by any chance?

Macavity. · 08-01-2015 08:58PM

I hear more people complaining about annoying atheists than actual annoying atheists. Hmmmmm....

shruikan2553 · 08-01-2015 09:00PM

Macavity. wrote: »

I hear more people complaining about annoying atheists than actual annoying atheists. Hmmmmm....

I asked someone was he going to mass. He said no, he doesnt believe that stuff!

Whats this world coming to when people can just start catholic bashing by saying that kind of stuff

kneemos · 08-01-2015 09:00PM

What do atheists say instead of ohh God when having sex.

PopePalpatine · 08-01-2015 09:01PM

zcorpian88 wrote: »

The only reason most people baptize their children in my mind would be so their kid has somewhat of a normal childhood, the same as their own and everybody elses. Being left out of the Catholic mumbo jumbo in schools like communion and confirmation that would be a breeding ground for children to alienate the different kid who didn't go for communion, might be damaging to a kids self esteem. Kids can be cruel that way.

What's wrong with teaching kids not to be bullies?

shruikan2553 · 08-01-2015 09:01PM

kneemos wrote: »

What do atheists say instead of ohh God when having sex.

ohh dawkins or ohh science.

zcorpian88 · 08-01-2015 09:07PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

What's wrong with teaching kids not to be bullies?

You could teach kids until your blue in the face, kids can pick up the bully factor anywhere...at home, picking the wrong people to be friends with etc. A kid could have the most perfect parents in the world and their kid can still be a bully.

looking_around · 08-01-2015 09:22PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

What's wrong with teaching kids not to be bullies?

or better yet, take religion out of school, rather than the focus that all are catholic, and if you're not, you can just sit in the corner and be left out for the hour.
Children will always have something to judge others by. We don't need to make it easier for them.

RDM_83 again · 08-01-2015 09:31PM

The Bould Rabbit wrote: »

In fairness to him, if it takes a few jars for him to talk about what he doesn't believe in, that's a hell of a lot less than most of the believers I know who bring their faith up numerous times a day. And they're stone cold sober.

Ah come on who do you hang around with that brings up their faith numerous times a day, if you do I'd recommend you stop hanging around the legion of Mary.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 08-01-2015 09:37PM

The morning after my boyfriend's housewarming party he got up, had a stretch and went "Oh, jesus" as you do. Frightened the life out of him when my sister's then boyfriend, who was on the couch and, he thought, asleep, chimed in with "He doesn't exist!"

Baggy Trousers · 08-01-2015 09:43PM

Did you hear about the insomniac dyslexic agnostic man?

He stayed up all night wondering if there was a dog.

The Bould Rabbit · 08-01-2015 09:46PM

zcorpian88 wrote: »

Any athiest I know is the same, they have to gain all the attention when out at a party, if somebody brings up God or Jesus or any religous phrase. One particular friend of mine will go on this big rant and won't shut up for the night.

So somebody else brings up God or Jesus first, but if an atheist responds, they're the asshole.

Right so.

ChunkyLover54 · 08-01-2015 09:50PM

The Bould Rabbit wrote: »

In fairness to him, if it takes a few jars for him to talk about what he doesn't believe in, that's a hell of a lot less than most of the believers I know who bring their faith up numerous times a day. And they're stone cold sober.

I don't think I have ever had anyone I know bring up their religious faith in conversation (if they had one).

Unless you are living somewhere on the U.S. bible belt I think you're exaggerating.

I'm secular and it seems these days the only time anyone brings my attention to the issue of religion is when some "atheist" brings it up (even with the flimsiest of connections with the conversation we were having).

zcorpian88 · 08-01-2015 10:00PM

The Bould Rabbit wrote: »

So somebody else brings up God or Jesus first, but if an atheist responds, they're the asshole.

Right so.

I didn't say "They're the asshole"

It relatively starts off in an innocent sceanrio where somebody would say "Went to Christmas mass with the family and the carols were lovely, the sermon bored me to tears" some casual sentence like that and then it spins into this militant tirade about somebody going to mass and believing in a false prophet, and making the person feel like lesser person for attending mass if they want to. People can go to mass if they want, no skin off my nose.

shruikan2553 · 08-01-2015 10:07PM

zcorpian88 wrote: »

I didn't say "They're the asshole"

It relatively starts off in an innocent sceanrio where somebody would say "Went to Christmas mass with the family and the carols were lovely, the sermon bored me to tears" some casual sentence like that and then it spins into this militant tirade about somebody going to mass and believing in a false prophet, and making the person feel like lesser person for attending mass if they want to. People can go to mass if they want, no skin off my nose.

Dont suppose your atheist friend wears a balaclava and is called Ahmed?

08-01-2015 10:08PM

I'm an atheist and the only atheists I can't stand are those who insist people with faith are universally stupid. I've met and worked with far too many clever theists to think there's any merit in that position.

I don't believe in a deity, that's it. It doesn't entitles me to preach my absence of belief any more than a theist has a right to preach about their belief, it doesn't make me a being of superior logic, and it doesn't validate me being obnoxious to people who do believe. It just means I don't believe in a deity.

How atheists can discuss something they don't believe in, at great length and in great depth, is a mystery to me. I can't sustain a conversation about my atheism, in the same way that I can't sustain a conversation about my lack of belief in unicorns or fairies.

Athiests - Who cares

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