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Athiests - Who cares

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    I'm saying we shouldn't discount the existence of something we don't fully understand.

    There's nothing to understand. Someone wrote in a book "God exists" and others blindly followed. It was words written in a book, by men who had extremely limited education, in order to control the population. Over the past few centuries, the stories written in the book have been proved to be false yet people still seem to believe. But not only do they believe, they've decided to pick and choose what they want to believe from the book. Hypocrisy in it's highest form.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,747 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Yeah I made that point earlier - I am not an atheist, I am simply atheist.
    I don't meet up with fellow atheists discussing what we don't believe in and plotting the downfall of the Roman church.

    I think I may just go ahead and drop that 'an' too! :D
    Very true but I think there is a tendency towards a certain set of social mores/views that often coincide with someone being aware another person is an Atheist (e.g the type of Atheist that tells you ;) ), take a gander at A&A and you can see there is some very strong trends among the majority of posters that don't simply relate to lack of belief

    There is definitely a subset of people who seem to enjoy telling people they are atheists. Funny thing is, they'd probably do the same if they became a Jehovah's Witness/Mormon etc.

    I don't think it's the fact that they're an atheist, it's more to do with them discovering something new and wanting to tell others. The reason you see it happen a lot with atheism is that you have more people disconnecting from religion completely rather than joining new ones. So are more exposed to it.

    Saying that, I'm well aware you have neckbeard, foaming at the mouth atheists who spout nonsense online. They're best ignored, like all neckbeards :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Saipanne wrote: »
    No. Stating that God doesn't exist is a faith position, because there is no way of knowing whether this is true. Have an old think about it before you or anyone replies.

    You don't have to state that God doesn't exist to be an atheist. All you have to do is not believe that God exists. This is a major distinction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Michael OBrien


    kneemos wrote: »
    Atheism is flawed logic as it rules out the possibility of the unexplained and as any scientist will tell you their whole life is devoted to the unexplained.
    You don't understand atheism then. Atheists accept that such questions may be unexplained. Not believing someone who posits answers to such unknowns without sufficient credible evidence is not making the opposite statement that the answer HAS to be impossible. Some claims are self refuting, some claims can be dismissed as highly likely false because there is counter evidence showing that to be the most likely scenario, but it does not rule out stuff that is unexplained. Many god claims are explained via human nature and their origins coming from or evolving from earlier myths and social/political pressures too. Cargo cults being one example where their god is not unexplained just certain misunderstandings by their believers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,747 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Saipanne wrote: »
    No. Stating that God doesn't exist is a faith position, because there is no way of knowing whether this is true. Have an old think about it before you or anyone replies.

    You clearly do not understand the definition of atheism.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭constance tench


    smash wrote: »
    There's nothing to understand. Someone wrote in a book "God exists" and others blindly followed. It was words written in a book, by men who had extremely limited education, in order to control the population. Over the past few centuries, the stories written in the book have been proved to be false yet people still seem to believe. But not only do they believe, they've decided to pick and choose what they want to believe from the book. Hypocrisy in it's highest form.

    OK, for you there is nothing to understand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    You don't have to state that God doesn't exist to be an atheist. All you have to do is not believe that God exists. This is a major distinction.

    What do you call a group who state that there is no God?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    And biscuits.

    And the great Hawaiin pizza debate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭davidfitz22


    I'm an athiest and i'll be honest, I have met more dickhead athiests than religous people, but it is just the neckbeard type who feel they are somehow more intelligent by declaring themselves as an athiest. As someone already said, it's the person not their belief that defines how they project.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    o1s1n wrote: »
    You clearly do not understand the definition of atheism.

    No, you dont.

    Wow, that was easy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Saipanne wrote: »
    No. Stating that God doesn't exist is a faith position, because there is no way of knowing whether this is true. Have an old think about it before you or anyone replies.

    OK I thought about it. Is stating that flying purple unicorns don't exist also a 'faith based position'? Think about that!

    I agree there is no way of knowing whether or not a God exists but that in itself is a fact. Saying that one does exist is not a fact it requires belief. (I differentiate here between 'a god' and God).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    I'm an athiest and i'll be honest, I have met more dickhead athiests than religous people, but it is just the neckbeard type who feel they are somehow more intelligent by declaring themselves as an athiest. As someone already said, it's the person not their belief that defines how they project.

    Do you keep a count?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    God exists but only in peoples heads in much the same way that the tooth fairy or Santa Claus exists in children's imaginations. It's all make believe. I wouldn't wish to spoil the magic of Christmas for a child but why I have to treat adults who believe in gods and other such nonsense in much the same way is just beyond me.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,747 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Saipanne wrote: »
    What do you call a group who state that there is no God?

    Enlightened? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    OK, for you there is nothing to understand.

    Of course there's nothing for me to understand. What is there possibly to try and understand which would lead me to a a belief in a god? Give me an example...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    OK I thought about it. Is stating that flying purple unicorns don't exist also a 'faith based position'? Think about that!

    I agree there is no way of knowing whether or not a God exists but that in itself is a fact. Saying that one does exist is not a fact it requires belief.

    Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,747 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Saipanne wrote: »
    No, you dont.

    Wow, that was easy.

    Read this post again.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93742720&postcount=304


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Who said my beliefs are "easily" mocked ? If its not ok to say to a vegetarian "I think your an idiot/stupid/thick because you don't like to eat meat and I think your vegetarian handbook is a pile of crap" then why is it ok to say " I think your beliefs make you an idiot/stupid/thick and your Bible/Koran/siddur is a pile of crap?"

    If they are beliefs based on the bible then they are easily mocked . I know as Ive read it more than once. Ive yet to see this vegetarian handbook you mention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Saipanne wrote: »
    What do you call a group who state that there is no God?

    I would call them atheists.

    Are you familiar with the notion of subsets?

    Here:

    Venn diagram.

    All B are atheists. A are people who state that there is no God.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Michael OBrien


    No, Athiest means they believe no god at all.
    Not believing in a god is not the same as believing there is no god. I have no idea if some kind of god like entity exists, I just don't believe the humans that tell me they know a certain type exists and have special knowledge about what it wants when they have nothing to support their assertions but arrogance and some book that was written by someone else or group of people.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    No, Athiest means they believe no god at all.

    I know I know. Tongue in cheek.

    People, the spelling is atheist - dont let the subject put you off!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,275 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Saipanne wrote: »
    What do you call a group who state that there is no God?

    Wrong.


  • Moderators Posts: 52,075 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    kneemos wrote: »
    Wrong.
    :pac:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,747 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    kneemos wrote: »
    Wrong.

    I preferred my answer :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    No, Athiest means they believe no god at all.

    Unless one of the gods they don't believe in is the one true god ;-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    o1s1n wrote: »

    I responded. Do you have any thoughts, hopes, dreams of your own?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Michael OBrien


    Hermy wrote: »
    God exists but only in peoples heads in much the same way that the tooth fairy or Santa Claus exists in children's imaginations. It's all make believe. I wouldn't wish to spoil the magic of Christmas for a child but why I have to treat adults who believe in gods and other such nonsense in much the same way is just beyond me.
    That is the concept of god, not god. Such concepts exist all right.
    Ontological arguments often mix these two different things up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭constance tench


    smash wrote: »
    Of course there's nothing for me to understand. What is there possibly to try and understand which would lead me to a a belief in a god? Give me an example...


    Not 'a god'... god.

    Scientific discovery may be the discovery of aspects of 'god'....and I'm not talking beardy man in the sky stuff here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Are you familiar with the notion of subsets?

    Whoa, easy up an that mathematics stuff, buddy, we're not all atheists here!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,537 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Saipanne wrote: »
    What do you call a group who state that there is no God?
    Gnostic atheists. Which is rare and many would agree an illogical position.


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