Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

Mitch Connor · 29-12-2014 01:54PM

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Strongest XI????
De Gea
Jones
Carrick
Rojo
Rafael/Valencia
Shaw
Rooney
Di Maria
Mata
van Persie
Falcao

Subs: Lindegaard, Evans, Blind, Rafael/Valencia, Herrera, Fellaini/Fletcher, Wilson

EDIT That didnt come out right.

De Gea
Rafael-Smalling-Rojo-Shaw

Carrick

Herrera-Di Maria

Mata

RVP--Rooney

Lindegaard, Jones, Young, Blind, Fellaini, Falcao, Januzaj

MagicIRL · 29-12-2014 01:55PM

De Gea
Rafael - Smalling - Rojo - Shaw
Carrick/Blind
Rooney/Herrera - ADM
Mata
RVP - Falcao

Carrick plays as a DM on defense and a 3rd CB on attack which allows Rafael and Shaw to provide the width down each flank.

I'm not sure where Strootman fits in though, and I'm 100% sure he'll be a United player at some stage.

The Moldy Gowl · 29-12-2014 01:58PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

De Gea
Rafael-Smalling-Rojo-Shaw
Carrick
Herrera-Di Maria
Mata
RVP--Rooney

Lindegaard, Jones, Young, Blind, Fellaini, Falcao, Januzaj

Why effectively drop falcao for Herrera?rooney has probably played better than Herrera in midfield.

If anything I would drop mata for Rooney?

pmasterson95 · 29-12-2014 01:59PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

De Gea
Rafael - Smalling - Rojo - Shaw
Carrick/Blind
Rooney/Herrera - ADM
Mata
RVP - Falcao

Carrick plays as a DM on defense and a 3rd CB on attack which allows Rafael and Shaw to provide the width down each flank.

I'm not sure where Strootman fits in though, and I'm 100% sure he'll be a United player at some stage.

Replace Carrick as he ages? Bit weird tho as Blind already provides that. And has Strootman played in defence before?

MagicIRL · 29-12-2014 02:00PM

We may even see Mata dropped for Di Maria, and have both Rooney and Herrera playing in front of Carrick.

Carrick
Rooney - Herrera
Di Maria
RVP - Falcao

Dayum · 29-12-2014 02:01PM

Is anyone still hung up on the whole Vidal thing?

Or has that ship sailed?

Mitch Connor · 29-12-2014 02:01PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Why effectively drop falcao for Herrera?rooney has probably played better than Herrera in midfield.

If anything I would drop mata for Rooney?

Because I think the side would be better balanced, more creative and a better unit with the 11 I suggest.

The Moldy Gowl · 29-12-2014 02:03PM

Dayum wrote: »

Is anyone still hung up on the whole Vidal thing?

Or has that ship sailed?

That ship sailed out a long time ago and hit an iceberg on the way howling everyone utd were right to not go for him.
After the summer he was still injured with his knee and it got worse. Woodward go awful stick over it, when it turned out he had done right thing

Think he is playing well now though? Saw his name pop up in a team of the week recently.

The Moldy Gowl · 29-12-2014 02:05PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Because I think the side would be better balanced, more creative and a better unit with the 11 I suggest.

I think I would prefer falcao starting. Think the pros outweigh the cons. Even with Rooney instead of mata or Herrera in your team.
I would go for Rooney instead of mata though, just based off recent performances.

Will I Amnt · 29-12-2014 02:05PM

With the way the injuries are happening at United, I would expect Vidal to be dead by now had he signed in the Summer.

rebeve · 29-12-2014 02:23PM

With Champions league football next year we will need a much bigger squad .So we need a few more quality players .

yabadabado · 29-12-2014 02:31PM

Do ye think there will be any signings made in January?

Nalz · 29-12-2014 02:33PM

yabadabado wrote: »

Do ye think there will be any signings made in January?

Anderson 4 year deal

guy has potential

TheDoc · 29-12-2014 02:35PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

De Gea
Rafael - Smalling - Rojo - Shaw
Carrick/Blind
Rooney/Herrera - ADM
Mata
RVP - Falcao

Carrick plays as a DM on defense and a 3rd CB on attack which allows Rafael and Shaw to provide the width down each flank.

I'm not sure where Strootman fits in though, and I'm 100% sure he'll be a United player at some stage.

What were Holland playing before Strootman got borked, wasn't it a 4-2-3-1?

I normally don't foray into the tactical discussions, but while having deep thought on the throne as you do, the following found its way into my head

DDG

Rafael----Jones----Rojo---Shaw
----Strootman----Blind----
--Herrera----Rooney----Di Maria

RVP

Dunno why or how. Just did.

Manutd_4life · 29-12-2014 02:37PM

Trilla wrote: »

Anderson 4 year deal

guy has potential

his performance against mk dons was something else definitely. Completely shocked me that he wasn't short-listed for the Ballon Dor

TheDoc · 29-12-2014 02:37PM

yabadabado wrote: »

Do ye think there will be any signings made in January?

There is something incredibly obvious and nearly inevitable with Vlaar at this stage.

I've been somewhat "meh" over that link from the get go, feeling there is good reason why he has been at Villa, but if 3-5-2 is going to be a "thing" , or if our defence are constantly going to do themselves in, might be no harm Van Gaal getting in someone he can trust, and someone more importantly who knows how Van Gaal wants to defend.

TheDoc · 29-12-2014 02:45PM

rebeve wrote: »

With Champions league football next year we will need a much bigger squad .So we need a few more quality players .

When you think about it, we are somewhat avoiding a situation at present due to injury. But if ( and I will take any point that this is an unrealistic situation) but a squad that has no injuries. (I'm also just picking players once, ignoring the players with multiple roles)

GK : De Gea can play every game, sit out for capital one cup, no problems.
RB: Rafael, Valencia.
CB: Jones, Evans, Smalling, Rojo, McNair, Blacket
LB: Young, Shaw.
DM: Carrick, Blind, Fletcher
Midfield : Herrera, Fellaini, Di Maria, Rooney, Mata, Januzaj
ST: Falcao, Van Persie, Wilson

Twelve of those are sitting out every game. We've avoided situations of frustration at playing time due to injuries. But that is going to be a concern going forward. And bringing more quality signings, I don't know. a few gap fillers maybe.

Like in a fully fit midfield, you are picking one DM and two CM's( three players) from

Fellaini, Herrera, Di Maria, Rooney, Carrick, Fletcher, Mata, Blind.

Rooney is a given. So now you are down to two. Fletcher aside, you are going to have some pretty strong players warming a bench.

You'd also maybe draw the assumption when fit Di Maria will play, given his ability and price tag.

So now you have one DM spot, to pick from either Blind or Carrick. I'm not sure anyone wins having €50m+ off midfield in Herrera and Fellaini sitting on the bench as it is, so I doubt we need MORE. ( And we can probably assume Strootman will be thrown in that mix).

Talk about of Fletcher being sent out on loan in January, probably the smart move tbh. We've gone from no midfield to too many

Mitch Connor · 29-12-2014 02:49PM

TheDoc wrote: »

When you think about it, we are somewhat avoiding a situation at present due to injury. But if ( and I will take any point that this is an unrealistic situation) but a squad that has no injuries. (I'm also just picking players once, ignoring the players with multiple roles)

GK : De Gea can play every game, sit out for capital one cup, no problems.
RB: Rafael, Valencia.
CB: Jones, Evans, Smalling, Rojo, McNair, Blacket
LB: Young, Shaw.
DM: Carrick, Blind, Fletcher
Midfield : Herrera, Fellaini, Di Maria, Rooney, Mata, Januzaj
ST: Falcao, Van Persie, Wilson

Twelve of those are sitting out every game. We've avoided situations of frustration at playing time due to injuries. But that is going to be a concern going forward. And bringing more quality signings, I don't know. a few gap fillers maybe.

Like in a fully fit midfield, you are picking one DM and two CM's( three players) from

Fellaini, Herrera, Di Maria, Rooney, Carrick, Fletcher, Mata, Blind.

Rooney is a given. So now you are down to two. Fletcher aside, you are going to have some pretty strong players warming a bench.

You'd also maybe draw the assumption when fit Di Maria will play, given his ability and price tag.

So now you have one DM spot, to pick from either Blind or Carrick. I'm not sure anyone wins having €50m+ off midfield in Herrera and Fellaini sitting on the bench as it is, so I doubt we need MORE. ( And we can probably assume Strootman will be thrown in that mix).

Talk about of Fletcher being sent out on loan in January, probably the smart move tbh. We've gone from no midfield to too many

Niether Young nor Valencia are full backs - LVG has said it himself too. If we want to play 4 at the back, we need another couple of full backs, or at least a right back (with Rojo being the secondary left back).

I can see McNair being sent on loan and I would be looking to replace Fletcher in the midfield options, at the very least. I'm still not sold on Fellaini. He can be a usefull squad player but could be improved upon without too much scouting.

We do have a big squad, but the issue has been a lack of quality, not a lack of numbers (numbers have been an issue this season with horrid injuries)

Vic Vinegar · 29-12-2014 03:04PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Niether Young nor Valencia are full backs - LVG has said it himself too. If we want to play 4 at the back, we need another couple of full backs, or at least a right back (with Rojo being the secondary left back).

We're alright for left backs as we have Shaw, then Rojo and Blind.

Definitely need another right back though.

bangkok · 29-12-2014 03:23PM

TheDoc wrote: »

What were Holland playing before Strootman got borked, wasn't it a 4-2-3-1?

I normally don't foray into the tactical discussions, but while having deep thought on the throne as you do, the following found its way into my head

DDG
Rafael----Jones----Rojo---Shaw
----Strootman----Blind----
--Herrera----Rooney----Di Maria
RVP

Dunno why or how. Just did.

if you are talking tactics, Michael Carrick has to be one of the first names on that team sheet

Mikeyt086 · 29-12-2014 03:36PM

It surprises me to see Rojo left out of some people's best teams. Evans, Smalling, and Jones have all shown that they are not quite up to it, which is tremendously disappointing, as you would have expected at least one of them to make a statement to be a part of this team going forward, but none of them have.

Rojo I think has been impressive. Any mistakes he has made have been caused by a direct lack of communication, which will stop over time, and he hasn't fully settled yet. Despite that he has been strong at the back and excellent on the ball. I really like the look of him.

beno619 · 29-12-2014 03:57PM

Mikeyt086 wrote:

It surprises me to see Rojo left out of some people's best teams. Evans, Smalling, and Jones have all shown that they are not quite up to it, which is tremendously disappointing, as you would have expected at least one of them to make a statement to be a part of this team going forward, but none of them have.

Jones and Smalling have both shown good form and and then pulled up with injuries which is the big issue tbh. While they have both dropped the odd clanger I don't think either has been poor. Evans is probably playing his worst football in a long time but he can probably blame long term injury on the lose of form.

Rojo hasn't been any better than Smalling or Jones IMO.

Winston Payne · 29-12-2014 04:04PM

Smalling's been our best defender over the last two seasons.

Your Airbag · 29-12-2014 04:11PM

Everytime I see the letters ADM in a line up I think "Attacking defensive midfeilder? That doesn't make sense. Who is our attacking defensive midfeilder."

Then I remember the most expensive British transfer of all time.

I am not a smart man.

29-12-2014 04:26PM

Winston Payne wrote: »

Smalling's been our best defender over the last two seasons.

Winston Payne · 29-12-2014 04:37PM

Liam O wrote: »

Yes though.

The Moldy Gowl · 29-12-2014 04:39PM

Winston Payne wrote: »

Smalling's been our best defender over the last two seasons.

PhilJones is the best of a bad bunch

Headshot · 29-12-2014 04:39PM

Best of a very bad bunch

RobertKK · 29-12-2014 04:52PM

Seamus Coleman would be a good signing, can play more than just right back, would be a great wing back.

I don't think a deal for Bale whenever would be worth it if it involved De Gea.

Strootman looks likely at some stage.

Talk of Hummels costing £47 million. I expect a deal for Vlaar to be made next month, whether that is he joins immediately or just an agreement with the player and a free transfer in the summer

Enzo Perez from Benfica who had been linked is expected to sign for Valencia later this week.

I do expect some new blood to join in January.

PhlegmyMoses · 29-12-2014 04:54PM

I have no love for Smalling tbh. Should be better in the air with his height and his ability on the ball is overrated imo. I think he gains reputation when out injured and doesn't do much to live up to it when he is back. He is a decent player but easily replaceable.

There's an opportunity for one or more of our CBs to step into a leadership role and cement their status in the first XI but none of them are doing so. Jones is the closest, imo, but his injury problems are never far away.

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