How come people are blaming the President for Water Charges?

Foxhound38 · 29-12-2014 01:47PM #1

Was rambling out in Pheonix Park yesterday and saw a wee protest outside the gates of the Aras from the anti-water charges crowd, and then came home to find a raft of abuse directed towards him on social media for signing the water charges bill into law.

Now, this isn't necessarily a thread on the water charges, but like it or hate it - my understanding is that as long as the bill isn't repugnant to the Constitution the President has to sign it into law, no ifs or buts about it.

So why are they blaming Michael D for this?

Dr. Mantis Toboggan · 29-12-2014 01:48PM

Because they are idiots?

Gmol · 29-12-2014 01:49PM

Because it's cheaper than seeing the hobbit in the cinema

Venus In Furs · 29-12-2014 01:51PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

my understanding is that as long as the bill isn't repugnant to the Constitution the President has to sign it into law, no ifs or buts about it.

So why are they blaming Michael D for this?

Because they no doubt didn't do the research that would have provided them with the above answer.

john p o shea · 29-12-2014 01:54PM

i supose people are angry because he sits on his ass all day and gets all his bills payed for and earns i think over 200k a year for doing nothing

Reati · 29-12-2014 01:56PM

Us Irish wouldn't be the brightest in fairness. No one really bothered protesting about water charges in mass until after it all was set up,meters were in the ground and the thing was on the tracks like a runaway train. Now, some reason people think Micky D is going to use those figurehead powers he has to reverse it or something. Who knows... Who cares.... Sure don't we have a New Years session to be planning!

Venus In Furs · 29-12-2014 01:56PM

Why do people just decide what a person does in their job without having the first clue?

kneemos · 29-12-2014 01:58PM

john p o shea wrote: »

i supose people are angry because he sits on his ass all day and gets all his bills payed for and earns i think over 200k a year for doing nothing

He does be visiting.

Sauve · 29-12-2014 01:59PM

john p o shea wrote: »

i supose people are angry because he sits on his ass all day and gets all his bills payed for and earns i think over 200k a year for doing nothing

He gets fed grapes too, by all his bitchez.

Venus In Furs · 29-12-2014 01:59PM

Reati wrote: »

Us Irish wouldn't be the brightest in fairness. No one really bothered protesting about water charges in mass until after it all was set up,meters were in the ground and the thing was on the tracks like a runaway train. Now, some reason people think Micky D is going to use those figurehead powers he has to reverse it or something. Who knows... Who cares.... Sure don't we have a New Years session to be planning!

Well the self flagellating doesn't help matters in fairness!

Phoebas · 29-12-2014 01:59PM

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Why do people just decide what a person does in their job without having the first clue?

Because they're angry.
And being angry is an excuse these days for just about any kind of bad behaviour / idiocy.

stevedublin · 29-12-2014 02:01PM

He is President for Ireland, not just President for Water Charges.

SaveOurLyric · 29-12-2014 02:05PM

Because its all his fault. He has been behind this screwing of the little man from his palace in the park. He didnt have to sign. He could have looked out for the pp of I, and it wouldnt have become law. Presume he doesnt have to pay his own ? We pay it for him. And a mammoth pension even when he leaves the throne so that paying it will only be petty cash to him.
In line with the rest of his old labour buddies though - in favour of the water charges. Whats the point of a president if he doesnt act as a trustworthy last stand against the jack boot of the FG/Lab junta ?

Foxhound38 · 29-12-2014 02:05PM

john p o shea wrote: »

i supose people are angry because he sits on his ass all day and gets all his bills payed for and earns i think over 200k a year for doing nothing

I bet he drives a nicer car than you too :rolleyes:

Reati · 29-12-2014 02:07PM

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Well the self flagellating doesn't help matters in fairness!

The water charges weren't an overnight surprise. Ignoring something till its done then have mass protesting after its done to try get rid of it is to me a typically Irish thing.

MRnotlob606 · 29-12-2014 02:07PM

They are upset that yoda died .

Foxhound38 · 29-12-2014 02:08PM

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Because its all his fault.

No, it really isn't.

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

He didnt have to sign.

Yes, he really did.

Phoebas · 29-12-2014 02:08PM

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Because its all his fault. He has been behind this screwing of the little man from his palace in the park. He didnt have to sign. He could have looked out for the pp of I, and it wouldnt have become law. Presume he doesnt have to pay his own ? We pay it for him. And a mammoth pension even when he leaves the throne so that paying it will only be petty cash to him.
In line with the rest of his old labour buddies though - in favour of the water charges. Whats the point of a president if he doesnt act as a trustworthy last stand against the jack boot of the FG/Lab junta ?

I thought it was all Denis O'Brien's fault, but it was Michael D all along.

I'm confused now.

Highflyer13 · 29-12-2014 02:09PM

Having the march on a weekday in December ****ed up the movement imo. The current shower of pretenders FG will get another term which is a pity since they couldn't give a fcuk about the Irish people.

Annasopra · 29-12-2014 02:11PM

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Because its all his fault. He has been behind this screwing of the little man from his palace in the park. He didnt have to sign. He could have looked out for the pp of I, and it wouldnt have become law. Presume he doesnt have to pay his own ? We pay it for him. And a mammoth pension even when he leaves the throne so that paying it will only be petty cash to him.
In line with the rest of his old labour buddies though - in favour of the water charges. Whats the point of a president if he doesnt act as a trustworthy last stand against the jack boot of the FG/Lab junta ?

What was unconstitutional about the law?

Highflyer13 · 29-12-2014 02:11PM

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Because its all his fault. He has been behind this screwing of the little man from his palace in the park. He didnt have to sign. He could have looked out for the pp of I, and it wouldnt have become law. Presume he doesnt have to pay his own ? We pay it for him. And a mammoth pension even when he leaves the throne so that paying it will only be petty cash to him.
In line with the rest of his old labour buddies though - in favour of the water charges. Whats the point of a president if he doesnt act as a trustworthy last stand against the jack boot of the FG/Lab junta ?

Lol, your not happy with this and you are pro water charges?

Reati · 29-12-2014 02:11PM

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Having the march on a weekday in December ****ed up the movement imo. The current shower of pretenders FG will get another term which is a pity since they couldn't give a fcuk about the Irish people.

No politician gives a **** about the people. They care about the locals who vote the, in. After that or if you're not on their side your on your own.

Bored_lad · 29-12-2014 02:12PM

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Having the march on a weekday in December ****ed up the movement imo. The current shower of pretenders FG will get another term which is a pity since they couldn't give a fcuk about the Irish people.

That removed any sort of legitimacy the movement had I actually wonder what they were thinking especially when they said they were going to make the protest longer and extend it until 4 o'clock or something for people who were working. The whole thing was absolutely hilarious.

jimboblep · 29-12-2014 02:15PM

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Because its all his fault. He has been behind this screwing of the little man from his palace in the park. He didnt have to sign. He could have looked out for the pp of I, and it wouldnt have become law. Presume he doesnt have to pay his own ? We pay it for him. And a mammoth pension even when he leaves the throne so that paying it will only be petty cash to him.
In line with the rest of his old labour buddies though - in favour of the water charges. Whats the point of a president if he doesnt act as a trustworthy last stand against the jack boot of the FG/Lab junta ?

Actually he has done the people of ireland a favour by signing it into law, it allows its constitutionality to be challenged by anyone with locus standi. If he had referred it to the supreme court under article 26 as would of been his only way to challenge it and it had been deemed constitutional it could never be challenged again under irish law.

Foxhound38 · 29-12-2014 02:16PM

Bored_lad wrote: »

That removed any sort of legitimacy the movement had I actually wonder what they were thinking especially when they said they were going to make the protest longer and extend it until 4 o'clock or something for people who were working. The whole thing was absolutely hilarious.

Blocking traffic on O'Connell bridge during rush hour (AGAIN) for some ridiculous reason best known to the protestors, actively attempting to troll ordinary joes on their way home from work or to collect the kids etc didn't help matters either.

Seanachai · 29-12-2014 02:16PM

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Because they no doubt didn't do the research that would have provided them with the above answer.

I think if he didn't find the bill repugnant this would warrant people being pissed off with him to be honest. It wouldn't surprise me at all though, he pontificates to the high heavens about social justice often with needless word salads but like most of the government he doesn't have much in the way of backbone to back it up.

c_man · 29-12-2014 02:17PM

Because Michael D ran his election on telling the people that the Presidency matters, has serious duties and he would seriously consider every bill rather than being honest and saying it doesn't matter a fuk who's in the retirement home.

i saw him on Una's Dream Ticket show having tea with one of the winners. At least we're getting some value out of him.

Phoebas · 29-12-2014 02:17PM

jimboblep wrote: »

Actually he has done the people of ireland a favour by signing it into law, it allows its constitutionality to be challenged by anyone with locus standi. If he had referred it to the supreme court under article 26 as would of been his only way to challenge it and it had been deemed constitutional it could never be challenged again under irish law.

Nobody* is going to be making a constitutional challenge.

*Maybe some of those freeman nutcases.

SaveOurLyric · 29-12-2014 02:18PM

jimboblep wrote: »

Actually he has done the people of ireland a favour by signing it into law, it allows its constitutionality to be challenged by anyone with locus standi. If he had referred it to the supreme court under article 26 as would of been his only way to challenge it and it had been deemed constitutional it could never be challenged again under irish law.

What if he just said he had lost his pen. Or had writers cramp from his poetry composition and was simply unable to sign it ? Then it isnt law.

Foxhound38 · 29-12-2014 02:19PM

Seanachai wrote: »

I think if he didn't find the bill repugnant this would warrant people being pissed off with him to be honest. It wouldn't surprise me at all though, he pontificates to the high heavens about social justice often with needless word salads but like most of the government he doesn't have much in the way of backbone to back it up.

But in order for him to find it repugnant it would actually have to be repugnant to the Constitution (to the extent that the Supreme Court would have to agree with him on it) - what part of it went against the Constitution?

Just because it's unpopular doesn't mean it's unconstitutional.

Highflyer13 · 29-12-2014 02:23PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Blocking traffic on O'Connell bridge during rush hour (AGAIN) for some ridiculous reason best known to the protestors, actively attempting to troll ordinary joes on their way home from work or to collect the kids etc didn't help matters either.

About 100 people out of over 30k blocked the bridge.

How come people are blaming the President for Water Charges?

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