Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

UnitedIrishman · 17-12-2014 11:02PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I'm great admirer of Paul Kimmage and his work. Love see him tackle football and I know he knows names and teams involved.

At present Rugby and doping in that is coming to main topic. Some don't like it, but the truth is coming around slowly. I mean there is one Irish rugby player who has all the hallmarks of steroid abuser.

I've read a lot of Kimmage's books and David Walsh's too but he's really doing himself no favours with the rugby allegations right now. When he was writing about cycling he had genuine and founded stuff to write on - using team names etc. But now he's just vaguely thrown it out there going 'rugby is awash with drugs'. By not doing some proper investigation stuff or without a whistleblower of any kind he's ruining his own reputation by just lazily throwing out the accusation about modern rugby. (I'm aware his initial point was about a team from 2007 and their use of a certain personal doctor).

The_Kew_Tour · 17-12-2014 11:08PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

I've read a lot of Kimmage's books and David Walsh's too but he's really doing himself no favours with the rugby allegations right now. When he was writing about cycling he had genuine and founded stuff to write on - using team names etc. But now he's just vaguely thrown it out there going 'rugby is awash with drugs'. By not doing some proper investigation stuff or without a whistleblower of any kind he's ruining his own reputation by just lazily throwing out the accusation about modern rugby. (I'm aware his initial point was about a team from 2007 and their use of a certain personal doctor).

It depends what side of fence you are on.

Laurent Benezech account of teams and players doping should be real eye opener.

Here is a man who played last highest level and a very renowned player in France.

Kimmage knows names and teams, you can be sure of that. For legal reasons he is static, for now.

Brian Carney the former Munster and Wigan warriors player did great piece on drugs in Sport a while back. Will link it here if can find it.

Pro. F · 17-12-2014 11:13PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Your stalker who posts once a week if at all. Feel free to check the last time I've quoted you. Id wager its a month + serious stalker material, but yea I will call you out the tripe you continually post just for ****s n giggles.

The last time you quoted me you got a yellow for continuing to be obnoxious after the mod had asked you to stop. Now you are back with the same type of shìte again. Deny it if you want, but you clearly have a thing for me.

The_Kew_Tour · 17-12-2014 11:16PM

https://m.facebook.com/offtheball/posts/412891168802402

Here is the Brian Carney interview. Its best I could find. Hope it works.

Sorry if going waaayyy off topic

Hank Scorpio · 17-12-2014 11:21PM

Keano and TC23 must not be the best of buds :pac:

Hococop · 17-12-2014 11:24PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Wasn't that Jorge Fuentes? I'm quite sure that a medical facility of his got raided in relation to the cycling scandal and (going completely off memory here) they found about 200 total blood bags for EPO transfusions and the like, only about 60 of which were related to cyclists. The judge in the case (I am assuming same one) ordered not only that the 140-odd non cycling ones not be tested but also ordered they be destroyed before any attempts to even identify whose blood they were could be made - it's amazing how no higher bodies stepped in, to be honest. Considering how badly Spain were hit by the GFC a few years back, and their international successes (as well as Barca) which would have likely proved a huge boost to national morale as well as helping the economy, the Tinfoilhatist in me wouldn't be surprised if this went very high up, beyond sporting bodies.

Interesting but if it eventually came out that most of the Spanish and barca team were guilty of this what would happen?, fines, ban the country from competing in international football for a few years or stripped of their titles (European, world cup, LA liga, cl etc)?

Rayne Wooney · 17-12-2014 11:28PM

The thing about PEDs is if the most successful club was doing them and with the massive money involved in football, other big clubs would surely raise some questions unless they also were doing them. I doubt if Madrid had suspicions of Barca they wouldn't try and expose it unless they would implicate themselves.

The only thing is I've never seen a United team that have pressed so relentlessly that have led to me wondering about strange endurance levels.

Ulysses Gaze · 17-12-2014 11:50PM

nuxxx wrote: »

Keano and TC23 must not be the best of buds :pac:

If that is true then Keane is a complete lunatic.

kryogen · 18-12-2014 12:32AM

nuxxx wrote: »

Keano and TC23 must not be the best of buds :pac:

I love the good old media sensationalism too in fairness, if there is any truth to it whatsoever, he could have gone round his house, like a lunatic swinging from a can of Harp screaming for Cleverley to come out and fight him, or he could have called round, to talk about some rumours he had heard and see what Cleverley had to say.

With Keane it will always be written one way of course.

It smells like another non story though, shame though, if he did head in there like a raving lunatic I imagine it would have been a hilarious sight to watch TC23 **** all over himself.

Cantona's Collars · 18-12-2014 12:53AM

He called round for a bit of a kickabout in the garden but as usual TC23 went missing.

Cantona's Collars · 18-12-2014 12:55AM

Timmyctc · 18-12-2014 02:12AM

Apparently United have the loudest travelling support.
Linky Poo

Gits_bone · 18-12-2014 08:07AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I mean there is one Irish rugby player who has all the hallmarks of steroid abuser.

.

Who?

Gits_bone · 18-12-2014 08:14AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Yeah here I give you the name of someone who is cheating in their job based on no legal grounds or hard evidence. That should be ok to do.

Sarcasm really is overused here. Ye'r so focused on facts yet come out with crap like saying something that doesn't mean anything in essence.

I think a player from Man Utd has all the hallmarks of being a coke head.

Gits_bone · 18-12-2014 08:29AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

How about who the f*ck cares?

That can be said for any post on here. You have lost the argument, give it up.

RobertKK · 18-12-2014 08:33AM

So Falcao has said he wants to stay at United, but he must be playing given his age, or else he will have to look elsewhere. Says he is near 100% fit.

I think Van Gaal has been holding him back to give him time to make sure nothing is being rushed with his initial injury then the calf injury.
I bet deep down LVG is excited knowing he has this top striker to unleash and coming into a busy time when players will be needed to be rested - we have two games in under 48 hours...

I really hope we see the Falcao we all know and love, always wanted him at United so just hope it works out for everyone.

Falcao could be the player to get us those extra goals to really challenge for the title.

Rooney, Van Persie, Falcao, Mata, Di Maria, just look at that quality, you would have to believe.

Gits_bone · 18-12-2014 08:37AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

You want to know what rugby player he's talking about, you're not getting the answer, looks like you lost :pac:

Pretty sure he's talking about *Mod Snip*.

Will I Amnt · 18-12-2014 08:37AM

RobertKK wrote: »

So Falcao has said he wants to stay at United, but he must be playing given his age, or else he will have to look elsewhere. Says he is near 100% fit.

I think Van Gaal has been holding him back to give him time to make sure nothing is being rushed with his initial injury then the calf injury.
I bet deep down LVG is excited knowing he has this top striker to unleash and coming into a busy time when players will be needed to be rested - we have two games in under 48 hours...

I really hope we see the Falcao we all know and love, always wanted him at United so just hope it works out for everyone.

Falcao could be the player to get us those extra goals to really challenge for the title.

Rooney, Van Persie, Falcao, Mata, Di Maria, just look at that quality, you would have to believe.

If we're still starting with midfielders and youth team players in defence then you really wouldn't...

The Moldy Gowl · 18-12-2014 08:53AM

Gits_bone wrote: »

You couldn't bring me to court, I didn't accuse anyone of taking drugs.

You just insinuated *Mod Snip* did drugs?

Anyway. Will di Maria and falcao e for villa?

Quandary · 18-12-2014 08:59AM

Im forgetting about titles challenges this year. Its too premature. I would take where we are right now without a 2nd thought.

Last year was an anomaly. It's going to be sweet to be back sitting in our rightful place at the top table of football next year

Hopefully Di Maria is back for the Villa game on Saturday. I really want to see Falcao and him get a few games together.

Mitch Connor · 18-12-2014 09:03AM

Quandary wrote: »

Im forgetting about titles challenges this year. Its too premature. I would take where we are right now without a 2nd thought.

Last year was an anomaly. It's going to be sweet to be back sitting in our rightful place at the top table of football next year

Hopefully Di Maria is back for the Villa game on Saturday. I really want to see Falcao and him get a few games together.

Same here - I do think we have the bones of an excellent side, but our defence (and injuries to defence) will hold us back, along with the lack of a top class CM with presence (Strootman/Vidal)

GavRedKing · 18-12-2014 09:12AM

I'm going delete a few posts, less of the " Oh I think X is steriods" posts.

We have a doping thread within the soccer forum if you want to discuss such actions but no labelling people steriod users, especailly those with clean pasts.

RobertKK · 18-12-2014 09:18AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

If we're still starting with midfielders and youth team players in defence then you really wouldn't...

We will buy in January if possible to strengthen weak areas.

In a 4-3-3, more like a 4-1-2-1-2
Fellaini.---Carrick---Di Maria
RVP/Rooney/Falcao---Rooney/Mata--RVP/Rooney/Falcao

We have a great goalkeeper, I will go with one defender to be bought next month.
There is the saying that the best form of defense is to attack or something like that.
We don't have a great defense apart from our goalkeeper, but I don't think we would like to be playing a team who had our attacking options and ability.

Will I Amnt · 18-12-2014 09:26AM

RobertKK wrote: »

We will buy in January if possible to strengthen weak areas.

In a 4-3-3, more like a 4-1-2-1-2
Fellaini.---Carrick---Di Maria
RVP/Rooney/Falcao---Rooney/Mata--RVP/Rooney/Falcao

We have a great goalkeeper, I will go with one defender to be bought next month.
There is the saying that the best form of defense is to attack or something like that.
We don't have a great defense apart from our goalkeeper, but I don't think we would like to be playing a team who had our attacking options and ability.

They are great options and all but as long as you are starting with such inexperience in defence then that will show right through the team.

RobertKK · 18-12-2014 09:30AM

Roy Keane left Aston Villa to save us from TC23 returning.

Going Galactico and to have TC23 return would be 'not good', to put it nicely.

RobertKK · 18-12-2014 09:36AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

They are great options and all but as long as you are starting with such inexperience in defence then that will show right through the team.

But you could argue the sheer strength of the attack is greater than the weakness of the defense and that is why we are winning games combining crucially with the world class goalkeeper, whom the players say gives them confidence, but whom they need to make life a bit easier for in future games.

The results kind of reminds me of of the 2012/2013 season, where we leaked goals but with RVP in great form, we simply outscored the opposition.
We have much better attacking options than that season.

bucketybuck · 18-12-2014 09:39AM

RobertKK wrote: »

There is the saying that the best form of defense is to attack or something like that.

How did that work out for Liverpool?

Crimson King · 18-12-2014 09:39AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Same here - I do think we have the bones of an excellent side, but our defence (and injuries to defence) will hold us back, along with the lack of a top class CM with presence (Strootman/Vidal)

When I think of the drivel United have fielded over the last few seasons to 'cover' for certain roles I now look at the current side and know the club is going in the right direction. Two quality Centre Backs and a top class CM and the club can compete with anyone. Squad numbers are still very high but by the end of this season I see a few players being moved on and contracts expiring.

RobertKK wrote: »

Roy Keane left Aston Villa to save us from TC23 returning.

Going Galactico and to have TC23 return would be 'not good', to put it nicely.

He has the rest of the season left on his current contract so won't be coming back thank fcuk. Its just a pity Everton fcuked United up by scuppering any transfer fee the club would have received from selling rather than loaning him. I am sure Villa will come to some agreement in January but it won't be the £5.5M agreed in the Summer.

Will I Amnt · 18-12-2014 09:43AM

RobertKK wrote: »

But you could argue the sheer strength of the attack is greater than the weakness of the defense and that is why we are winning games combining crucially with the world class goalkeeper, whom the players say gives them confidence, but whom they need to make life a bit easier for in future games.

The results kind of reminds me of of the 2012/2013 season, where we leaked goals but with RVP in great form, we simply outscored the opposition.
We have much better attacking options than that season.

But we had a solid defence that season. If you are playing wingers and youth team players in defence it's going to affect the game of your midfielders and in turn your forwards. The whole team is deeper. There's not enough pace in the frontline for it to work well.

RobertKK · 18-12-2014 09:47AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

But we had a solid defence that season. If you are playing wingers and youth team players in defence it's going to affect the game of your midfielders and in turn your forwards. The whole team is deeper. There's not enough pace in the frontline for it to work well.

I would question a solid defense.

13 clean sheets out of 38 games for the 2012/2013 season in the league.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

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