Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

Kylo Ren · 16-12-2014 09:55PM

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Pro. F · 16-12-2014 10:47PM

I'd love to see Mata playing number 10 behind Rooney and ahead of a four man midfield. He is a fantastic player, but he just isn't suited to these narrow formations that LVG has been trying to make work.

Imo, this front six:

Val/Young - Herrera - Carrick - Di Maria
Mata
Rooney

...would score a lot more goals and be more solid defensively than the formations with more strikers that LVG has been using.

Trond · 16-12-2014 11:12PM

Hello all. Just got access to the football forums after lurking for ages.

Youth team won tonight in the Youth Cup against Bury. Fosu Mensah looked the stand out player followed by Gribbin and Rashford.

They made heavy weather of it given the 1-0 scoreline. Could quite easily been 4 or 5.

duffman13 · 16-12-2014 11:33PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

Oh great, another winger with pace and no crossing ability and ****s himself in 1 on 1's, just what we need:P

Really I don't think we need Sterling however if he was available we'd be crazy not to take him. Offers a lot, playing in a good side he could be devastating however at the moment he's very much in the potential star phase.

As for the one on one comment, He was playing against "the wall", he didn't stand a chance

16-12-2014 11:42PM

duffman13 wrote: »

Really I don't think we need Sterling however if he was available we'd be crazy not to take him. Offers a lot, playing in a good side he could be devastating however at the moment he's very much in the potential star phase.

As for the one on one comment, He was playing against "the wall", he didn't stand a chance

Sterling is on another level completely to Januzaj who is the great white hope at United. To say he's not needed is settling for Valencia and Young in the team long term. A winger is desperately needed if the club are to move to a 4-3-3 long term which is probable.

The Moldy Gowl · 16-12-2014 11:54PM

Trond wrote: »

Hello all. Just got access to the football forums after lurking for ages.

Youth team won tonight in the Youth Cup against Bury. Fosu Mensah looked the stand out player followed by Gribbin and Rashford.

They made heavy weather of it given the 1-0 scoreline. Could quite easily been 4 or 5.

Mensah was the only player signed as well. The rest have been there years.

Billy86 · 17-12-2014 12:00AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

We used to be way more fashionable

They're not pants until you stash your armpit hair in them.

RobbingBandit · 17-12-2014 12:01AM

Need defenders in January like it or not just in case an injury crisis happens again, what kind of figure will Falcao cost if the transfer does go through in the summer and we will need a replacement for Fletcher and Carrick perhaps not this coming summer but definitely 2016, £100m won't go too far in the current climate.

IvySlayer · 17-12-2014 01:29AM

I love Mata <3333

Many times he was just waving his arms on Sunday just demanding the ball <333

Lovely Bloke · 17-12-2014 08:15AM

Pro. F wrote: »

I'd love to see Mata playing number 10 behind Rooney and ahead of a four man midfield. He is a fantastic player, but he just isn't suited to these narrow formations that LVG has been trying to make work.

Imo, this front six:
Val/Young - Herrera - Carrick - Di Maria
Mata
Rooney

...would score a lot more goals and be more solid defensively than the formations with more strikers that LVG has been using.

Wait, what?

You want to change from a system that's won six games on the bounce, conceded three goals, and use Mata differently to how he's been used up to now, with stats comparable to Eden Hazard?

You're off the reservation on this one pal.

Mitch Connor · 17-12-2014 09:08AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Wait, what?

You want to change from a system that's won six games on the bounce, conceded three goals, and use Mata differently to how he's been used up to now, with stats comparable to Eden Hazard?

You're off the reservation on this one pal.

I think something needs to be changed, whether it be Mata or whomever.

We shouldn't allow the results to mask some very shakey performances.

Rather than 6 wins we could easily have come away from the Arsenal, Stoke, Southampton and Liverpool games with less than 3 points.

Even just looking at the liverpool game - Sterling missed to sitters, Ballotelli should have scored and Mata's goal was offside. Its all well and good saying we got the win and the 3 points which is all that matters and is all that will be recorded, but the performances still need a lot of work, imo. To ignore any need for change simply because we are on a winning run is insane imo.

I can't believe anyone would argue that the 3 at the back formation is the way we should be looking to play for the rest of the season.

Lord TSC · 17-12-2014 09:22AM

I feel the 3 at the back formation is more down to the fact we don't actually have any fit fullbacks at the moment. We're playing two wingers in the wing back positions, and maybe LVG doesn't trust them defensively so is feeling like he HAS to play a third defender for coverage.

Don't get me wrong, our defence has been poor; it's De Gea who is masking our frailties at the back, and our lack of goals conceded is down to him, not to our defence. But I feel the problem isn't the system as much as its the players involved in the system.

Roll on having Raf and Shaw back so we can move back to a proper back 4 though.

Mitch Connor · 17-12-2014 09:28AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

I feel the 3 at the back formation is more down to the fact we don't actually have any fit fullbacks at the moment. We're playing two wingers in the wing back positions, and maybe LVG doesn't trust them defensively so is feeling like he HAS to play a third defender for coverage.

Don't get me wrong, our defence has been poor; it's De Gea who is masking our frailties at the back, and our lack of goals conceded is down to him, not to our defence. But I feel the problem isn't the system as much as its the players involved in the system.

Roll on having Raf and Shaw back so we can move back to a proper back 4 though.

I agree - I don't think 352 was ever the real plan for United - but a formation required due to the makeup of the squad.

My main point is in response to BC seemingly finding it insane people might want a change of system from what has won us 6 games on the trot - with my main point being we haven't actually been playing well and a change of system (and improved performances) is still required. We can't let results blind us.

It actually brings me to a general point I was going to make this morning....

What do people actually make of United at the moment. Since the win at the weekend I have seen a load of fan blogs saying United are back (one stated United were back atop their perch...) Ollie Holt saying United can win the title this season (but he will eat his hat if we do), Rooney apparently revelling in the title talk at United now - I personally don't agree with any of it! I don't think United are back. We are on a very good run of results, but I can't feel we are back until we start heading into a fixture and I feel confident that we will get the win - like I was confident we would or could previously. I think people are getting carried away with the run of results, which could so easily have gone another way and been similar to our early season form.

bangkok · 17-12-2014 09:31AM

Pro. F wrote: »

I'd love to see Mata playing number 10 behind Rooney and ahead of a four man midfield. He is a fantastic player, but he just isn't suited to these narrow formations that LVG has been trying to make work.

Imo, this front six:
Val/Young - Herrera - Carrick - Di Maria
Mata
Rooney

...would score a lot more goals and be more solid defensively than the formations with more strikers that LVG has been using.

and drop van persie who looks to be back to his best?!

Backstreet Moyes · 17-12-2014 09:34AM

I just can't believe anybody would suggest dropping Van Persie. He has been fantastic the last few games and is starting to show his form of two seasons ago. He has played himself into form it would be strange to drop him once he has hit form.

RobertKK · 17-12-2014 09:45AM

I would play the same players from midfield up as the last game but would replace Wilson with Falcao.
Then we would have our three top scorers from the previous 4 games along with a striker who is world class but who needs to be given more responsibility and trust by starting him.

bangkok · 17-12-2014 09:45AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

I just can't believe anybody would suggest dropping Van Persie. He has been fantastic the last few games and is starting to show his form of two seasons ago. He has played himself into form it would be strange to drop him once he has hit form.

yea doesn't make sense and he looks as fit as he has ever been.

17-12-2014 09:47AM

The performances with 3 at the back have been bad, or at least looked bad because of the positioning of Young and Valencia. If the other team are playing a 4-3-3 they push forward nonsensically a lot and it creates a 3 on 3 with the forwards and defense and then the opposition midfield become very dangerous because they can outnumber the defense if they push up and who's going to defend in that situation? Fellaini isn't a deep player, Mata doesn't chase back most of the time and Rooney might chase back but would often be late and not have much defensive skill.

Young and Valencia were more disciplined against Liverpool but not much and I thought Liverpool actually played a lot of decent through balls that with Lambert instead of Sterling wouldn't have worked. I think Rodgers did well tactically but United just have a superior squad and especially goalkeeper.

Ultimately if United are going to remain playing deep with 3 defenders and 2 wing backs pushing forward the chasm between defense and midfield is going to remain and they will continue to give up chances by the boatload so the sooner they move back to a 4 at the back formation the better.

Lord TSC · 17-12-2014 09:49AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

What do people actually make of United at the moment.

Personally, I feel the confidence you're talking about is starting to grow in me; despite playing poorly, despite a horrific injury table, we've had a brilliant run over the last few weeks, even going beyond the six wins. The draw against Chelsea and the loss to City showed a confidence growing in the team. I went into the Liverpool game expecting a win, and got it.

Don't get me wrong, we've still got a bit of improvement to go. But LVG is now winning games with the same squad options that Moyes couldn't win last year, has some good players coming back from injury and has seemingly a lot more money to spend over the upcoming months. Fans who had wrote us off last year have suddenly had to shut up and accept it might have been a blip.

Chelsea looked home and dry a few weeks ago, but now....we've overcome bigger gaps in a shorter time. We're starting to display a confidence, even if we're winning ugly. I'm confident of a Top 4 finish at least, and honestly don't see why we can't challenge for the title (though I still don't think we'll get there...).

RobertKK · 17-12-2014 09:53AM

Sorry if already posted.

Latest rumour is Real Madrid will put in a world record bid for a goalkeeper when they try and tempt De Gea away from us, but the rumour goes De Gea doesn't want to leave United.

I think De Gea probably never felt more at home given he has Mata and Herrera who are his friends and they all live in the same area. I think if we didn't have the Spanish element to our team he might have been a bit homesick.

Who can forget him there ready to greet Mata when he arrived?

Backstreet Moyes · 17-12-2014 09:54AM

Just had a look at the replay of Sunday and considering the last few games also. My god how important is Carrick for is the side when he plays. He gets slagged off because he keeps it simple and is not flashy. What a difference since he came back 7 wins in a row. We can all wait now till he has a bad game and the haters will be back.

For all people talk about Blind if he turns out half as good as Carrick has for United he will do well.

Trond · 17-12-2014 09:55AM

We wont get near the top 3 playing 3-5-2.

Simply doesn't suit our centre halves. Plus we badly need experience back there. Im starting to worry for Evans. Ive always defended him over the years as I do think there's a good player in there but 3-5-2 is killing him at the moment. Hopefully we'll see a return to form when we revert to a back 4.

Godin is 29 in January I believe. So not exactly one for the future but of what is out there he looks the best option. Cost will obviously be a big factor.

RobertKK · 17-12-2014 10:01AM

My view on Manchester United is Bayern Munich...

LVG took over, off to a horrible start, bottom of the league, got stronger and stronger as his philosophy started to influence the team and they went onto win.

I do believe in history repeating itself. United have to believe too they can win the title.
Whether it happens is another story, but it is a case of simply going out to win the next match and see where it takes us.
Ruling out the title would be wrong when there is just 8 points from the top, with 22 games to go or a maximum of 66 points to play for.
We have the firepower and the goalkeeper and one would have to assume our defense will improve, well I hope so, then who knows.

17-12-2014 10:03AM

Trond wrote: »

We wont get near the top 3 playing 3-5-2.

Simply doesn't suit our centre halves. Plus we badly need experience back there. Im starting to worry for Evans. Ive always defended him over the years as I do think there's a good player in there but 3-5-2 is killing him at the moment. Hopefully we'll see a return to form when we revert to a back 4.

Godin is 29 in January I believe. So not exactly one for the future but of what is out there he looks the best option. Cost will obviously be a big factor.

Evans was rushed back from injury and has done ok I think. Come up with some important tackles even if his general play isn't at it's usual level. The 2 side CBs are doing the job of 2 players so it's not easy for them and Young got forward a lot more than Valencia the other day so it was even more difficult on that side. The pass to Carrick/De Gea was poor but Carrick standing there like an idiot was just as infuriating as the pass itself.

basillarkin · 17-12-2014 10:11AM

Villa were always a handy 6 points for UTD every season

advertsfox · 17-12-2014 10:14AM

basillarkin wrote: »

Villa were always a handy 6 points for UTD every season

Indeed, haven't had anything less than a win against them since November 2010 :cool:

Trond · 17-12-2014 10:14AM

Liam O wrote: »

Evans was rushed back from injury and has done ok I think. Come up with some important tackles even if his general play isn't at it's usual level. The 2 side CBs are doing the job of 2 players so it's not easy for them and Young got forward a lot more than Valencia the other day so it was even more difficult on that side. The pass to Carrick/De Gea was poor but Carrick standing there like an idiot was just as infuriating as the pass itself.

For me seeing that LVG has almost demoted Evans in favour of Carrick says a lot to be honest.

Again I do rate Evans its just that watching him struggle in the 352 aint easy. He was guilty of ball watching against Liverpool. id expect not to see that given his experience. Roll on a back 4!

17-12-2014 10:30AM

Trond wrote: »

For me seeing that LVG has almost demoted Evans in favour of Carrick says a lot to be honest.

Again I do rate Evans its just that watching him struggle in the 352 aint easy. He was guilty of ball watching against Liverpool. id expect not to see that given his experience. Roll on a back 4!

Demoted? How?

Cookiemunster · 17-12-2014 10:32AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Sorry if already posted.

Latest rumour is Real Madrid will put in a world record bid for a goalkeeper when they try and tempt De Gea away from us, but the rumour goes De Gea doesn't want to leave United.

I think De Gea probably never felt more at home given he has Mata and Herrera who are his friends and they all live in the same area. I think if we didn't have the Spanish element to our team he might have been a bit homesick.

Who can forget him there ready to greet Mata when he arrived?

That came from the Express. They are one of the worst out there for just making things up. Conversely the Sun are reporting that he's "told teammates" that he's staying. Basically they're all making it up. He has 18 months left on his contract so the clickbait rumours are flying everywhere.

TheDoctor · 17-12-2014 11:09AM

I always get the impression that De Gea is happy at United, some players you dont get that from

Hopefully he will sign a new contract

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