Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

segadreamcast · 16-12-2014 12:36AM

MR NINE wrote: »

The most telling thing from that interview is that Pearce said Henry and Werner are still completely behind Rodgers. Now I will admit he could be lying for some agenda or some such but it flies in the face of the likes of Lucky Lloyd stating as fact thst rodgers wont be here much longer. He could be here a while yet. Just coz you want him sacked doesnt mean hes gone. The matchgoing fans are still behind him and the board are seemingly still behind him.

For me personally ill reserve judgement on rodgers and his future prospects until some time in february. The jan window is huge and will tell us a lot more about the transfer situation. If sign a gk and money is made available and the board will seemingly be backing rodgers. If no signings are made in jan and more ****e is leaked about the committee and so on then i will be fearing the worst for rodgers.

Sorry, but as someone who was at OT yesterday, I can categorically say the match going fans are not entirely behind him. While we aren't booing yet, there was an awful lot of moaning, and arguments breaking out, among regulars. The slowness in making substitutions for aspects of game that clearly weren't working was biggest bone of contention, but you can be sure that the post analysis will have made Jones' selection piss off a great many more of us.

Knex* · 16-12-2014 12:39AM

Was this posted? Carra's take on Lovren.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2cmfus_rec3453_sport

Agent Coulson · 16-12-2014 12:42AM

The thing about Lovren is he had two DM's protecting him at Southampton.

So bring him to club that doesn't use one DM he is never going to be the same player.

niallo27 · 16-12-2014 12:49AM

segadreamcast wrote: »

Sorry, but as someone who was at OT yesterday, I can categorically say the match going fans are not entirely behind him. While we aren't booing yet, there was an awful lot of moaning, and arguments breaking out, among regulars. The slowness in making substitutions for aspects of game that clearly weren't working was biggest bone of contention, but you can be sure that the post analysis will have made Jones' selection piss off a great many more of us.

Was dead wasn't it. Strange atmosphere. Even before the game.

segadreamcast · 16-12-2014 12:53AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Was dead wasn't it. Strange atmosphere. Even before the game.

It was the strangest high profile match I've been at tbh. Spirits kept up from kick off, but more or less gone after one goal, and completely gone after second.... Was weird alright, everyone sort of knew what was coming I suppose but held out hope that United would bring out the performance we've spent months waiting for....

JohnDaniels · 16-12-2014 01:04AM

The Jones thing has got me thinking about his strange use of other players. It seems clear that Sahin was a committee buy. His treatment at the time was incredibly strange. Played as an AM where he looked like a duck out of water. Everyone looking in at the time said he was completely misused. Rodgers is far too good a coach too not realise that. Was he trying to make them look silly? Lots of examples that just don't sit right. Maybe reading too far between the lines but the Jones thing has made me realise the lengths he will go to to prove a point.

JohnDaniels · 16-12-2014 01:24AM

Knex. wrote: »

Was this posted? Carra's take on Lovren.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2cmfus_rec3453_sport

That seems a fairly insightful piece. The thing with Lovren though is on top of being out of position he is also commiting a huge amount of indivdual defensive errors outside of that. When you think about the two combined it's no wonder we have looked so awful with him in the side. The bit with Toure shows how just doing the simple thing of covering the space has made us look much more solid. How the hell though a couple of pundits on Monday night football are pointing that out while Rodgers hasn't rectified it really does ask serious questions of his ability as a coach.

pmy.murphy · 16-12-2014 01:38AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Debatable. One thing I will say is that this squad is not the 11th best in the league. We might have over-paid for some of the players but they are not being coach or managed to the best of their ability. Why will that change if Rodgers has full control? It's great saying he wanted Bony and Erkisen, but he also wanted Lovren.

True I was meaning to say that Lovren was his player. I also agree with your comments re; the squad but put it this way, where would you rank the quality of squad in the league if its not 11th. To be honest its all fairly screwed up overall but Id rather one party screwing up rather than it being a collective effort plus the fees we have paid for certain players is outrageous, whoevers to blame for that should be given their P45 straight. Its just plain incompetance and desperation. We pay top dollar for these sort of players yet we delay and haggle in negotiations for players such as Costa, Sanchez etc. Fees like those paid for Lallana, lovren Markovic should only be paid for proven talent at the top level who have experience of top level competition not for overachieving players at midtable clubs. Markovic maybe you could make a case for with the club he played for and the fact their a good team who always hold their own in Europe but on one solitary season with them, no way

mylefttesticle · 16-12-2014 05:04AM

Bandana boy wrote: »

Must have missed the title he won at Liverpool, and Inter ,and Chelsea ,and Napoli

Titles is not just the League. A title is any trophy won. But carry on with the thanking whoring.

mylefttesticle · 16-12-2014 05:32AM

Gbear wrote: »

It's not that I think Rodgers is a better manager.

It's about the nature of our problems.
I don't think they're easily fixable by changing a manager, especially not this season (without having the chance to start the season again or having more latitude to sign players).

Maybe we'd be a bit better, but the bulk of the improvement will have to come from signing a striker. Other tweaks might help but they'd be the difference between finishing 7th and 6th.

Maybe Benitez' tactical acumen would help in the cups. Not sure that would warrant the change now rather than in the summer though.

Regardless, I doubt he's available. If we're already paying off Brendan, having to pay off Benitez would start to make the choice pretty expensive.

I am not advocating change now. BR should get to the end of the season.

I actually just hate seeing what RB achieved being eroded. a lot of people including those connected to the team said last year was the closest we got to the league in decades well it wasn't we nearly won it in 2008-09 and still its out highest points finish ever.

He had us highest seeded team in Europe for a four years I think?{I could be incorrect in length} This year we were pathetic in Europe.

We were feared and played some scintillating football. We had players bought on potential and finished up world class and making a lot of money on.

He was able to stand up to more powerful people and institutions and fight our corner. He showed up the chancers that was running the club and ultimately paid with his job. His only crime was wanting the best!

As for his time in Napoli he lost two of the best players Napoli had since Maradonna and still finished the same position as the season before and added a cup which I think was Napoli first in decades. He is a first class BOSS. Add to the fact that in Italy the clubs pay **** in wages so thus get not the best players in Europe and this can be seen on how as a whole they are failing to really challenge in Europe in any competitions.

As for BR I feel sympathy for him he did an excellent job last year but until he wins something or at least maintains a consistent vision that lets us all see where we are going well then he is going to be an also ran. His first season was up and down, next season full steam ahead and this one is a disaster so far he can blame the committee or whatever it is all he wants but I am sure he knew full well when agreeing to take the job that it was in place so how can he blame all his ills on it now? Also the committee doesn't make the stupid decision of putting SG in a defensive position when he has no one to aim for from there and offers no protection to those behind him.

Simon Mignolet is another problem that was not sorted during the summer he cost points last year and everyone knew he was a liability and thus the same excuses are given he is playing in front of a dodgy defence but DDG for Utd is playing with an arguably worse defensive unit in front of him but he is thriving? This is the biggest indicator of tactics win matches! LVG has UTD in third yet he has faced similar challenges to us this season but yet his has the acumen to get the points while sometimes playing ****.

Its quite interesting to see some players falling out with the manager this year when things are going badly compared to last years gushings of him it shows what a really fickle industry it is.

He has my support till the end of the season, he deserves that and I hope he comes good, I have my doubts because I think a mentality has set in and its not an easy one to get rid off.

LuckyLloyd · 16-12-2014 07:16AM

Good day of posting yesterday. Big points:

- Rodgers is locked in a struggle with the transfer committee and his selections may be politically motivated;
- Carra indicates on MNF that Rodgers does no defensive work, just focuses on playing nice ball;
- two lads at the game on Sunday indicate that the patience of the hard core match going support is wearing thin;

We're in the ****, great craic altogether.

LuckyLloyd · 16-12-2014 07:29AM

joe123 wrote: »

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=318844.0

Reading this you can imagine how frustrating it is for Rodgers to be dealing with this.

Reading boards.ie lfc thread - we have **** supporters.

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Just so we're crystal clear. I support the club. I support the team. I reserve the right to ride any dickhead manager out on a rail when he isn't performing. If Hodgson had to go and Rodgers is performing worse in the league after two full years of transfers to mould his squad there's going to be harsh criticism. Once he starts engaging in politics with the club structure he'd need to be a club legend to retain support. Rodgers is far from that.

dixiefly · 16-12-2014 08:04AM

So what do you guys think Sterling should be offered now? He has been shown to be very limited in fron of goals in recent goals and has actually deteriorated in that area in my view.

Real Madrid? Not a chance in my mind. The paucity of his efforts in recent games will have been very clear to them.

If I was FSG I would play hardball on the £70k contract.

OwaynOTT · 16-12-2014 08:30AM

dixiefly wrote: »

So what do you guys think Sterling should be offered now? He has been shown to be very limited in fron of goals in recent goals and has actually deteriorated in that area in my view.

Real Madrid? Not a chance in my mind. The paucity of his efforts in recent games will have been very clear to them.

If I was FSG I would play hardball on the £70k contract.

pay him something similar to what the other top earners are getting at the club.If he is going to play every game and start up front at Old Trafford, his wages must reflect his importance to the team.

Gits_bone · 16-12-2014 08:36AM

OwaynOTT wrote: »

pay him something similar to what the other top earners are getting at the club.If he is going to play every game and start up front at Old Trafford, his wages must reflect his importance to the team.

Luje Shaw is only on 50k a week max and he got a move to the richest club or one of the richest.

If you give sterling 120 now you will have to resign him in 3 years..increasing again and again..

rob316 · 16-12-2014 08:37AM

Gits_bone wrote: »

Luje Shaw is only on 50k a week max and he got a move to the richest club or one of the richest.

If you give sterling 120 now you will have to resign him in 3 years..increasing again and again..

Luke shaw is reported to be earning 120k pee week, even mourinho said his wages demands were too much.

Gits_bone · 16-12-2014 08:39AM

rob316 wrote: »

Luke shaw is reported to be earning 120k pee week, even mourinho said his wages demands were too much.

http://www.tsmplug.com/richlist/manchester-united-players-salaries-list/

breghall · 16-12-2014 08:55AM

Gits_bone wrote: »

http://www.tsmplug.com/richlist/manchester-united-players-salaries-list/

Falcao 280 K !!!! not a bad few quid for a bit part player :eek::eek:

Gits_bone · 16-12-2014 08:56AM

breghall wrote: »

Falcao 280 K !!!! not a bad few quid for a bit part player :eek::eek:

And Monaco are still paying him too.

NukaCola · 16-12-2014 09:12AM

Rodgers just signed a new contract. His stock at that point was at an all time high. If he didn't like the transfer committee set up then was his chance to change it.

He has had good financial backing, great support from the fans and a good base to push on this summer. These reports of him not playing certain players as they were other peoples signings seem like a convenient lie to deflect blame on Rodgers. It makes little sense otherwise.

If there is these battles actually going on behind the scenes his days are numbered.

NukaCola · 16-12-2014 09:15AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I reserve the right to ride any dickhead manager out on a rail when he isn't performing.

Football. The sport of kings.

SherlockWatson · 16-12-2014 09:20AM

breghall wrote: »

Falcao 280 K !!!! not a bad few quid for a bit part player :eek::eek:

Didn't ye spend the guts of 60-70m on bit part players this year?

How many games have Lallana, Markovic and Lambert played this year?

Not even gonna mention balo, yed be better off if he played no part at all.

Vicxas · 16-12-2014 09:22AM

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Didn't ye spend the guts of 60-70m on bit part players this year?

How many games have Lallana, Markovic and Lambert played this year?

Not even gonna mention balo, yed be better off if he played no part at all.

This is the problem, a lot of our players bought are still being benched over Joe ****ing Allen.....

I think the pressure has finally gotten to Rodgers, if we lose at Bournemouth he could be walking before the Arsenal game.

SherlockWatson · 16-12-2014 09:27AM

Vicxas wrote: »

This is the problem, a lot of our players bought are still being benched over Joe ****ing Allen.....

I think the pressure has finally gotten to Rodgers, if we lose at Bournemouth he could be walking before the Arsenal game.

I can't see you guys losing to Bournemouth though in fairness!

Also

In situations like this Sterling one I think there's only two choices, you either

A) Think he's worth the money and give it to him.

Don't think he's worth the money, give it to him anyway to tie him down to a contact, and then "reluctantly" sell him in the summer or after for decent cash.

I would honestly be very surprised if he doesn't get a new contract, I think FSG would be making a mistake not to tie him down.

Vicxas · 16-12-2014 09:38AM

SherlockWatson wrote: »

I can't see you guys losing to Bournemouth though in fairness!

Also

In situations like this Sterling one I think there's only two choices, you either

A) Think he's worth the money and give it to him.

Don't think he's worth the money, give it to him anyway to tie him down to a contact, and then "reluctantly" sell him in the summer or after for decent cash.

I would honestly be very surprised if he doesn't get a new contract, I think FSG would be making a mistake not to tie him down.

I think they should commit to tie him down too, hes far too valuable to be selling at 18 years old and with limitless potential.

He needs to stop getting dicked around though, being put on against UTD and told "Youre the main striker, go get them" is quite unfair considering Lambert AND Borini are both fit.

Also, i dont think Rodgers is going to get any more money in January, he pissed away 100M on players he doesnt even play...

noodler · 16-12-2014 09:39AM

Vicxas wrote: »

This is the problem, a lot of our players bought are still being benched over Joe ****ing Allen.....

.

Its not really the problem.

Problem is that they are not good enough. Lallana aside.

Blatter · 16-12-2014 09:44AM

SherlockWatson wrote: »

I can't see you guys losing to Bournemouth though in fairness!

Bournemouth are top of the Championship, unbeaten in 10+ games (winning most of them). They're scoring goals for fun and are the home team.

It's a nightmare tie for Rodgers tbh. He has little to gain credit wise if he wins but a hell of a lot to lose.

SherlockWatson · 16-12-2014 09:47AM

Blatter wrote: »

Bournemouth are top of the Championship, unbeaten in 10+ games (winning most of them). They're scoring goals for fun and are the home team.

It's a nightmare tie for Rodgers tbh. He has little to gain credit wise if he wins but a hell of a lot to lose.

Still don't see it happening though, Bournemouth have done well but they are still a sizable few steps down from Liverpool.

Unless Jones starts that is, the guy is a wildcard.

DeanAustin · 16-12-2014 09:50AM

Vicxas wrote: »

I think they should commit to tie him down too, hes far too valuable to be selling at 18 years old and with limitless potential.

Limitless potential?!? Behave. He's the same as Aaron Lennon circa 2006.

Blatter · 16-12-2014 09:50AM

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Still don't see it happening though, Bournemouth have done well but they are still a sizable few steps down from Liverpool.

Unless Jones starts that is, the guy is a wildcard.

Jones is starting, Rodgers has confirmed.

I'd say Bournemouth are performing better than a few PL teams at the minute. They have the potential to be a real threat imo.

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