Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He's really not. Maybe in terms of entertainment. But in terms of actually helping us get results he's certainly not the most important after Sturridge.

Who is?

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He's really not. Maybe in terms of entertainment. But in terms of actually helping us get results he's certainly not the most important after Sturridge.

Who is?

MD1990 wrote: »

Sterling finishing apart actually played very well. He needs a goal to restore confidence. If we had players trying as hard as he does we would be a lot better off. He needs a rest too.

Sterling is a class act.

He is an electric player who can make things happen. He can't do it all on his own, but him in a functioning team works, as evidenced by last season.

Some fans will justify anything to defend the manager/club. It's bizarre.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Sterling is a class act.

He is an electric player who can make things happen. He can't do it all on his own, but him in a functioning team works, as evidenced by last season.

Some fans will justify anything to defend the manager/club. It's bizarre.

Agreed.

Losing him sets us back another year.

Think about where he was 18 months ago.

We should not be criticising him for the misses imo - we should be acknowledging how good he was to get into these positions.

How in the name of God was Jones in goal today, no matter how much Mig has been slated hes been playing behind a defence made of wet paper, how BR thought giving Jones a game today of all days is beyond me, and to compound it lets drop Kolo and Lucas for the defence thats cacked itself all season and keep Joe 'anonymous' Allen in the middle to control the game, very very dishearteneing stuff.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Toure, Lucas and Mignolet are easily more important to us getting good results than Sterling.





Sure I thought Suarez carried the whole team last season? At the end of the day Sterling has been a consistent figure in a team who have been **** all season long. Of course our results will improve when better players come in, the same principle will apply to Lovern as well.

You're just incredibly wrong. Your logic is truly baffling.

Not really much point saying anything else.

There are a lot of problems with the current set up, but in today's game the biggest difference between the teams was that deGea was prepared to jump in the way of the ball, while Jones was determined to jump out of the way of the ball. It was by no means the worst display of the season, even if it was a pretty hurtful result. Any team containing lovren and particularly Skertl will concede a lot of goals.

I just watched the game today and I'm not sure how people can put so much blame on Rodgers for that.

Liverpool missed enough chances to win 2 games. That's not Rodgers fault. He dropped lambert and picked sterling up front presumably because he wanted a striker with pace and dribbling ability to trouble Uniteds centre halves. That part worked but it's not Rodgers fault that sterling had a horror show with his finishing. He should have scored at least 2.

He put on balotelli at half time and you'd have to say that sub worked too in that balotelli got himself in some great positions to score and played as a proper centre forward and any other day he would have had a goal and maybe even 2 were it not for de gea. Again nothing Rodgers can do about that. Had balotelli grabbed 2 which I really think he would have against nearly any other keeper everyone would be saying what a great sub it was from the manager.

Then on the other end you had lovrens horrible clearance, again that wasn't Rodgers that told him not to clear it properly. I suppose Rodgers could have not picked him due to his poor form. Jones wasn't good in goal either and I suppose Rodgers could be blamed for picking him but when mignolet keeps letting him down you can hardly blame him for giving jones a chance. It's not as if United were carving Liverpool open, their goals were mistakes.

I think if the manager can set up his team in a way to create chances then that's all he can do, it's not his fault if they keep missing them or if the opposition keeper is inspired.

Likewise if his team aren't getting carved open at the back but are instead conceding through individual mistakes. I don't think a manager can really be blamed for that (well maybe he can somewhat in this case when he keeps picking lovren) but you can still see the point I'm making.

I think the massive reaction on here is basically a reaction to the score line but it really wasn't a true reflection of the game. Liverpool had more chances but just couldn't take them and then they conceded through individual errors. Not much of that is Rodgers fault. People need to watch the game and not just the scoreline.

I posted this a few days ago

In a sense, Sterling has stepped in to fill the void. He already has four assists this season and only Southampton’s Dusan Tadic has created more chances from open play. Sterling is joint-second alongside Eden Hazard, who also happens to be the only player in the league with more dribbles.

As Gabriele Marcotti pointed out in the week Sterling will make his 100th appearance for Liverpool, the youngster has already played the full 90 minutes on 49 occasions in his fledgling career – far more than both Cristiano Ronaldo (30) and Lionel Messi (25) were expected to at the same stage.

The Premier League tracking data highlights the problem. High-intensity runs can be impossible to stop when a team breaks in unison. Sterling has produced over 70 of these sprints in six separate matches this season. That’s the same number as the rest of the Liverpool squad put together

That last stat says it all really. Sterlings needs help on the pitch & if we continue to struggle we will find it hard to keep him.

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Its pretty clear what Chucky is getting at - Sterling is a flair player who can creat chances but he isn't a striker. We have no strikers (really). So what actually matter is the meat and potato guys further back who can, if playing well, keep the opposition out and at least give the side with its lack of strikers a fair chance of winning the odd game.

A side is all glitter and no grit wins nothing.

This is a conversation about whether we're right to be scrimping on Sterling's contract offer.

I think we're not.
Chucky thinks the opposite.

Any club that wants to compete at the top needs players like Sterling, as well as players who can do the less glamorous roles in the team-I'm not debating that.

Letting Sterling go would only increase the amount of potentially top class players we'd need to bring into the team.

It would be retarded. As a result, offering a key player average wages by our own standards, is stupid.

Again, we're offering pretty similar wages to the likes of Enrique, Mignolet & Toure.

Less than the likes of Lallana, Skrtel & Lovren. And > 30% less than the likes of Balotelli & Johnson.

It's a mental scenario that we'd gamble with one of the only real quality parts of our team.

It's also mental that anyone would try & defend it.

kryogen wrote: »

Today is the first time I am a little concerned that time may be running out on your very own "Football Genius"tm

Is he in any danger? I would hate to see him lose his job from United point of view, obviously, but I would imagine some sections of the support are getting fed up of him

Whats the general consensus among the match going fans do ye know?

What a weasely little post. Read the thread, you'll guage fan opinion that way.