Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

LuckyLloyd · 14-12-2014 10:28PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He tries though. Displays a big heart. Thought you'd like that kind of thing?

Unfortunately, the biggest heart can be overcome and rendered useless by a frail body lacking in power.

googled eyes · 14-12-2014 10:28PM

Gits_bone wrote: »

Where was the video with the comments about Jones starting from now on?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Mr Alan · 14-12-2014 10:29PM

Re: Goalkeeper situation, we should offer Cech €150k per week & Chelsea a few million.

Ganymede Glow · 14-12-2014 10:31PM

Gits_bone wrote: »

What keeper will be brought in then?

Pretty terrible management practically ending Mignolets Liverpool career like this. He hasn't even been the worst performer..

This lad, apparently. He'll fit right in

https://vine.co/v/O69ZXF5Vp9X

Charlie19 · 14-12-2014 10:32PM

The high hopes we had for Lovern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEpoLdEeNE0

Chucky the tree · 14-12-2014 10:35PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Re: Goalkeeper situation, we should offer Cech €150k per week & Chelsea a few million.

Jose said they won't sell him in January.

14-12-2014 10:35PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I do not understand how people can say that.

If 5th/6th is acceptable to people, then those players are probably good enough to achieve that.

If top 4 is the aim though, then those players by and large just aren't good enough.

They are squad filler, none of them are bought to be fantastic.

English top tier football has moved on since the 80s, unfortunately the likelyhood is that if you are top 4 in €€££££$$$$$ than you won't be top 4 on the pitch.

Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd are a long way ahead in terms of €€££££$$$$$, Arsenal are too but they don't throw it around too much.

Can, the hope would be he'll be as good as Lucas ever was.

Manquillo, he's on loan anyway, at best he's decent.

Moreno, we'll likely have him in the starting 11 for years to come, he's no worse defencively than Johnson was at his peak.

Lambert - bought for back up, he's more than adequate for that, the likes of Lambert are needed when the calender is full of matches from multiple cups etc

Mario is Mario

klose · 14-12-2014 10:36PM

Ganymede Glow wrote: »

This lad, apparently. He'll fit right in

https://vine.co/v/O69ZXF5Vp9X

Ive also seen that perin fella from genoa linked, watched a bit of genoa today against roma, he got sent off.

daithijjj · 14-12-2014 10:37PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Henderson is not hard to figure out. When the team is in form he's grand, but when the results drop so does his head and performance.

He's not a leader, and it's a bit of a joke that he's deputy captain. He only is because there's no-one else.

I cant agree with this tbh. Rodgers plays him in a different position almost on a weekly basis and changes his position during games on a weekly basis too.

He started playing left wing forward last week if im not mistaken, then where did he start today? Right wing back?. Rodgers has not only picked the wrong selections but he has picked form players like Sterling and Henderson have been over the last year and shoved them all over the park.

Honestly, the man hasnt a scooby right now. And fans are all over the gaff too. I dont think i saw one player not criticised today on my twitter timeline (and i have done the weeding). Literally everyone.

When the above happens, its the manager who is at fault. There are so many questionable decisions he is making i honestly wouldnt know where to start.

How the f**k can anyone defend a man who chooses to play a player v Chelsea and Madrid, do well, and hardly see him since?. And Lallana coming off?, wtf was that all about?. One of the only ones to make a true effort this season while on the pitch. Why is Joe Allen even entertained in the squad?.

This team needs 'muscle' and a solid backbone if they cant find forwards to score goals. What has Rodgers done about it?.

Mr Alan · 14-12-2014 10:37PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Jose said they won't sell him in January.

Jose says a lot. Not a lot of it true.

Offer them substantially more than they'd get in the summer & at least give them a really tough choice to make.

brevity · 14-12-2014 10:38PM

I think we almost had the defence sorted. We were keeping clean sheets, we could have sorted the goals eventually... I just cannot understand the logic of dropping Lucas and Toure (unless he wasnt fit) AND Mingolet.

The baffling treatment of Borini and Can...players who are able to make a difference...is another head scratcher.

He just doesn't know what to do IMO and because its just him and his BFF Pascoe, things aren't going to get better.

14-12-2014 10:38PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Re: Goalkeeper situation, we should offer Cech €150k per week & Chelsea a few million.

I 100% agree.
Cech might even relish the opportunity to shore up the Liverpool defence and make a significant impact. It must have more appeal than bench warming.

Turtyturd · 14-12-2014 10:40PM

Augeo wrote: »

They are squad filler, none of them are bought to be fantastic.

English top tier football has moved on since the 80s, unfortunately the likelyhood is that if you are top 4 in €€££££$$$$$ than you won't be top 4 on the pitch.

Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd are a long way ahead in terms of €€££££$$$$$, Arsenal are too but they don't throw it around too much.

Can, the hope would be he'll be as good as Lucas ever was.

Manquillo, he's on loan anyway, at best he's decent.

Moreno, we'll likely have him in the starting 11 for years to come, he's no worse defencively than Johnson was at his peak.

Lambert - bought for back up, he's more than adequate for that, the likes of Lambert are needed when the calender is full of matches from multiple cups etc

Mario is Mario

Good to see whatawaster's position has been filled.

LuckyLloyd · 14-12-2014 10:40PM

A new manager coming in:

Needs to purchase goalkeepers.

Defensively, he needs to start coaching what's there. In terms of what's there though, between Toure / Sakho / Skrtel / Lovren / Moreno / Johnson / Enrique / Flanagan / Manquillo / Ilori he has something to work with. While Lovren has been a disaster, I think proper coaching and a solid goalkeeper behind them could see us improve in that area.

In terms of midfield options, he needs to purchase the kind of dominating force we require. That being said, Henderson / Can / Lucas aren't that bad. Gerrard / Allen aren't longterm options for different reasons, but a good solid signing here and an extension of Lucas and I think you've got lots to work with. There's also Rossiter coming through.

In terms of attacking midfielders, in Lallana / Coutinho / Sterling / Markovic there's talent. It needs to be used more judiciously and it needs a functioning striker to play off but there is talent there. Suso is also the forgotten man who could surely be worth some assessment the rest of the season at the very least.

Striker is a problem. There is Sturridge but he's made of glass. There is Balotelli and...well who the **** knows. There's definitely a bundle of talent lurking in the twisted oceans of his psyche. Lambert / Borini need to be cleared out, Origi needs to be brought back and someone needs to be signed.

We need:

Two Keepers (one to start and one to develop)
A defensive midfielder capable of dominating a game
A striker capable of reliably leading a line and linking up with the likes of Sterling / Lallana / Coutinho / Markovic

That's not soooo much work. And I think therein that lies the two reasons why Rodgers must be shown the door:

1) What we have is not being utilised efficiently;
2) I don't trust him with cash to address the three glaring gaps in the squad

I think one good window and a superior coaching staff could get us functioning again anyway.

klose · 14-12-2014 10:40PM

Im still surprised there has not been as big an uproar over glen johnson starting as a centre back today? Literally one of the strangest things I've ever seen. Whatever borini has done sakho must have done it too.

fulmer1984 · 14-12-2014 10:41PM

Augeo wrote: »

I 100% agree.
Cech might even relish the opportunity to shore up the Liverpool defence and make a significant impact. It must have more appeal than bench warming.

Plus seems how Chelsea and pool are miles apart in terms of going for the league they might even sell cech to ya

Gits_bone · 14-12-2014 10:42PM

If FSG are penny pinchers maybe it might be worth going low risk into the championship?

Jordan Rhodes worth a gamble anyone? Would always sell him on if it didn't work...

Utopia Parkway · 14-12-2014 10:43PM

klose wrote: »

Im still surprised there has not been as big an uproar over glen johnson starting as a centre back today? Literally one of the strangest things I've ever seen. Whatever borini has done sakho must have done it too.

Sakho left Anfield when he wasn't selected that time. Probably in Rodgers' little black book ever since along with Borini who wouldn't leave to go to Sunderland.

14-12-2014 10:45PM

fulmer1984 wrote: »

Plus seems how Chelsea and pool are miles apart in terms of going for the league they might even sell cech to ya

Quite possibly.
Although add a decent keeper that stops 5/10 goals every 20 games over the current status and add a striker and all of a sudden you have a title challenge

5live · 14-12-2014 10:45PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Hangballlouie's back....best bit of news all day.

Stop Searching My Posts wrote: »

Thanks Turty, missed you!!

Turtyturd wrote: »

Was tempted to sign up to twitter just to keep in touch.

Jeeze, get a room already:D

Augeo wrote: »

Unless you are FSG that comment is worthless.

There is a huge element of truth to this, Man City were spending big money for years before winning the title though so I can see the appeal of moneyball, to be fair FSG run a business it's not a hobby financed by other ventures. There's no doubt a happy medium but it's not easy to achieve.

Indeed, can't see Gerrard having any problem with Rodgers, as team captain he's not performing. Rodgers has commenced the necessary dropping/resting of Gerrard which at the start of the season many reckoned was his biggest challenge. Gerrard is needed on the pitch though so it's a quandary. Not easy to resolve either.

Any fans expecting a team of Liverpool's current income levels etc to be in the top 4 every year is in dreamland. For that to happen everything needs to fall just right.

Football, has a habit of not falling just right.

As against last year?:(

On the transfers, i don't really have a problem with them, they were pretty much in line with what was expected. FSG are not going to invest any more money in the club other than what they spent buying it so we will have to spend from out of our expected cashflows to buy. So £45m net was a good sum to spend.

Where i have a problem is with us not buying any leaders. In years gone by, Gerrard would rise to the occasion and pulled our asses out of the fire but he can barely run anymore. Who else out there said 'Fcuk this. THEY SHALL NOT PASS!'?
No-one.
Not one.
No player had the personality or the COHONES to stand up and be counted.

For that alone, Rodgers should be indicted!

Skrtel and Lovren should never never never never ever be on the pitch together again. Neither trust the other and there appears to be no communication, none whatever, between them on the pitch. The second goal today is a perfect illustration of them as a pairing.

Skrtel marking RVP and stepping 2 yards back off him and breaking a pretty decent line, with RVP being the main target in the box. Lovren marking Mata and realising that RVP is the danger man, switching off from Mata to mop up the disaster that was Skrtel being out of touch. He then doesn't pass on the marking of Mata to Moreno and Moreno doesn't call on him to stick with his man with Moreno covering the back of the line(he switches off altogether:mad:. Again:mad::mad:) Lovren then goes in to challenge and stops when he realises he can't help.

Christ almighty, its not difficult to communicate with each other during a game at whatever level you play at. You just shout and let the player know what he cannot see behind him.

LuckyLloyd · 14-12-2014 10:46PM

Gits_bone wrote: »

If FSG are penny pinchers maybe it might be worth going low risk into the championship?

Jordan Rhodes worth a gamble anyone? Would always sell him on if it didn't work...

I think we have to be realistic about what we can do for the striker position in January. As such, that's not a terrible shout imo.

GavRedKing · 14-12-2014 10:46PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Re: Goalkeeper situation, we should offer Cech €150k per week & Chelsea a few million.

We'd be mad to sell Cech.

In the summer maybe and he can be replaced but in january incase Courtois pulls up.

I also dont think itll be allowed,Jose said therell be no business done in January in or out.

Slattsy · 14-12-2014 10:46PM

Go out and get Lloris. Failing that Begovic.

Soft Falling Rain · 14-12-2014 10:46PM

Gits_bone wrote: »

If FSG are penny pinchers maybe it might be worth going low risk into the championship?

Jordan Rhodes worth a gamble anyone? Would always sell him on if it didn't work...

I don't think they're penny pinchers as they've overseen a sizable outlay...only to see it spent on ****e for the most part unfortunately.

5live · 14-12-2014 10:47PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Lovren is just so tragically out of his depth, and make no mistake, for those of you who want a pairing of him and Sakho are asking for more comedy.

Skrtel can do some infuriating things but he's still our best defender out of what we have. The other two are headless chickens that are a collapse waiting to happen.

No.

Toure can make Skrtel look competent so that alone makes him our best defender.

Agent Coulson · 14-12-2014 10:48PM

Gits_bone wrote: »

If FSG are penny pinchers maybe it might be worth going low risk into the championship?

Jordan Rhodes worth a gamble anyone? Would always sell him on if it didn't work...

They have given over £300m for transfer since they took over hardly penny pinching.

I wouldn't blame them if they want to pinch the pennies now though after seeing 90% of that £300m wasted.

Gits_bone · 14-12-2014 10:49PM

There's just so many thing B Rod has got wrong this season.

Just off the top of my head.

1. Dropping Mignolet today and for the future for someone who has no heart and just happy to pick up a cheque.
2. Not playing our best defender of the last month Toure. Not playing Sakho..a B Rod signing.
3. Not having Borini involved. Someone who offers a threat, someone who runs and has a bit of quality, a player B Rod actually bought himself.
4. Playing Gerrard in every single game (up to a few weeks ago) when he didn't have the legs anymore.
5. Not playing Lucas after he plays well.
6. Not playing Can after he plays well.
7. Not playing the only player who actually looks like a good summer signing in Lallana.
8. Playing Henderson as RWB.
9. Bringing in Balotelli, who doesn't fit into the Rodgers style.
10. Not playing Coutinho more often when he looks like a dangerous player...

Gits_bone · 14-12-2014 10:49PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I think we have to be realistic about what we can do for the striker position in January. As such, that's not a terrible shout imo.

Haven't look at the championship recently but Jordan Rhodes had an insane record at that level..

Gits_bone · 14-12-2014 10:50PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

They have given over £300m for transfer since they took over hardly penny pinching.

I wouldn't blame them if they want to pinch the pennies now though after seeing 90% of that £300m wasted.

Penner pinchers in that they look for value rather than pay for quality..imo.

LuckyLloyd · 14-12-2014 10:53PM

Look, I definitely had my issues with FSG in season's past. But they backed Dalglish in the summer of 2011 and he used it poorly and they backed Rodgers during the summer of 2014 and he seems to have used it poorly.

They needed to push in the summer and we did invest a net outlay. We just bought the wrong players in the wrong areas.

I'm still not going to forgive them for last January's window (who knows...) but buying players for big fees that aren't selected / good enough for selection isn't their fault.

EDIT: though I hope they themselves are realising that less acquisitions and a higher average purchase price / wage deals may be a superior way to go and sanction same for the next manager.

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