Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

NEDDURC · 12-12-2014 12:18PM

From watching some highlights of the champions league this week I wondered about these two as potential striker purchases?

Arkadiusz Milik - Ajax
Islam Slimani - Sporting Lisbon

Any opinions?

Strongbow10 · 12-12-2014 12:36PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Honestly? I think I would take a chance on Torres. Would he want to return to the club? I think so, he is basically toxic now, and no top European club will want to take a chance on him. Also, Chelsea are looking to cancel his contract, so the legacy of his £200k a week wages should be gone. I think we could give him an 18 month deal at 80k a week plus incentives, and we could secure him. That won't bankrupt the club, and at least it gives us another option.

I actually think himself and Sterling would work together very well too. Sterling is looking for someone to make intelligent runs, and for me, Torres still has that ability (albeit, he is slower than what he was).

We are more or less confirming our small time status if we offer him a place in our squad.

Enough of taking educated punts, sign some proper quality that will walk into the first XI

We bloody love adding players to our squad who supposedly "give us another option" but in reality it's been a while since we have signed someone who is beyond doubt better quality than what we already have.

I'd prefer us to sign nobody rather than stockpiling squad players. Let the guys who have shown they are not out and out first XI players on a consistent basis act as the squad players. bringing in lads of similar level means we just have 2 mediocre options rather than one quality one.

5live · 12-12-2014 12:38PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Those players can't take all this blame. Skrtel was very good in our amazing season last year. He has had to cope with his former partner Agger being shunted out as well as a useless Lovren coming in. Lovren is the £20 million man who, if anything, dragged Skrtel down. Now i'm not saying he's brilliant but we know what his attributes are and he's done a good job for us. He looks better with Kolo.

It cannot be a coincidence that every CB we pair with Skrtel looks pure sh!te, despite being a very good CB before coming to Liverpool.

Toure and Lovren/Sakho ftw.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Honestly? I think I would take a chance on Torres. Would he want to return to the club? I think so, he is basically toxic now, and no top European club will want to take a chance on him. Also, Chelsea are looking to cancel his contract, so the legacy of his £200k a week wages should be gone. I think we could give him an 18 month deal at 80k a week plus incentives, and we could secure him. That won't bankrupt the club, and at least it gives us another option.

I actually think himself and Sterling would work together very well too. Sterling is looking for someone to make intelligent runs, and for me, Torres still has that ability (albeit, he is slower than what he was).

I think Torres is just trolling Vidic at this stage, following him back to the PL would just confirm it.

But i would love to see the look of sheer terror on Vidics face again as Torres picks the ball up just in front of him:D

noodler · 12-12-2014 12:39PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I know Balotelli and Borini can't score for Liverpool. I'd bring him in as a better body that Rodgers might actually put on the bench the odd time!

I agree.

Although I must say I have always favoured taking him back on the cheap.

Now its probably just a greater realisation of where we are at.

J Mysterio · 12-12-2014 12:43PM

Hidalgo wrote: »

Maybe Skrtel is part of the problem, as opposed to his different cb partners.
I wouldn't say he was very good last year. Don't think any of the back 5 were very good over a prolonged period.
What drove Skrtel up the ladder imo was the goals he scored (the ones at the right end). These goal scoring exploits masked his defensive deficiencies.

There's no question we need better defenders (absolutely no question), but Skrtel at least has done something in a Liverpool shirt. I would be happy to sell Lovren on at a loss at this stage - £12, £15.

Kolo has been brilliant. Kolo.. Kolo! Kolo!

Starting to wonder if Sakho may have gone the way of Borini...

rob316 · 12-12-2014 12:46PM

Torres? Seriously? I wouldn't want him in Anfield never mind on the pitch. Sulked and downed his tools when he didn't get a transfer away, forced through a transfer on deadline day. Not to mention he is washed up and finished. £50m for him was the best bit of business we ever did.
He will retire soon he has lost the love of the game long ago.

Pilsbury Doughboy · 12-12-2014 12:51PM

Torres is done lads, completely finished, forget about him. Defoe, Keane, Torres all mentioned this week, jesus wept things must be really desperate if that's the thinking.

Augmerson · 12-12-2014 01:03PM

rob316 wrote: »

£50m for him was the best bit of business we ever did.

If only we hadn't wasted 35m of that on Big Andy

gafferino · 12-12-2014 01:21PM

F*ck it.

Turtyturd · 12-12-2014 01:30PM

Augeo wrote: »

Amazingly enough I do know that, however I am referring to last season and the season before, there's little point going back beyond that is there?

Torres is currently useless and unlikely to get better.

There is little point looking back at all, past performance is not indicative of future performance. Just ask Chelsea.

He shouldn't be brought back anyway, if he can't cut it at the low level of Serie A he's well and truly finished. But he was a Benitez buy so some will always be open to having him back. We should see what Babel, Riera etc are up to.

SlickRic · 12-12-2014 01:38PM

Torres is a silly player to want.

he's been done for at least 2 years, if not more.

go and buy a quality forward player; one we know will do the job. simple as. Arsenal paid a fúckload for Sanchez, but guess what, they will have had no worries about whether it'd work or not.

pay the fúcking money needed for someone who will be guaranteed to make a difference. nothing less.

MD1990 · 12-12-2014 01:41PM

A few days ago it was Rafa now some people want Torres back. Need to stop living in the past Torres is a very poor striker now. Don't forget we finished 7th in 09/10 & Torres then sulked after the world cup except against Chelsea.
Torres returning & most likely flopping would make the club look incredibly stupid in the transfer market again.

Utopia Parkway · 12-12-2014 01:42PM

I think people forget how bad Torres was for us in the final 12 months he was at the club. Granted he had injuries but he was septic and that was 5 years ago.

Not like he pulled up any trees at Chelsea either despite winning the CL there.

noodler · 12-12-2014 02:02PM

People in this thread regularly seem to miss the point when someone mentions a player.

Poster X: Why isn't Borini in the squad when we have no strikers bar Lambert who is knackered?

Poster Y: Borini? Jesus, why all the talk about Borini - he isn't good enough for Liverpool. Now Schurlre - theres a player.

Similar situation to any Torres suggestions. Its not about want - its about affordability and convenience. Big expensive non-Suarez gambles generally don't pay off in January and we have alot less to offer than we did four months ago in terms of money and CL ambitions.

SlickRic · 12-12-2014 02:09PM

noodler wrote: »

Similar situation to any Torres suggestions. Its not about want - its about affordability and convenience. Big expensive non-Suarez gambles generally don't pay off in January and we have alot less to offer than we did four months ago in terms of money and CL ambitions.

it's also about bang for your dollar, and all the evidence suggests Torres won't offer that.

MD1990 · 12-12-2014 02:10PM

noodler wrote: »

People in this thread regularly seem to miss the point when someone mentions a player.

Poster X: Why isn't Borini in the squad when we have no strikers bar Lambert who is knackered?

Poster Y: Borini? Jesus, why all the talk about Borini - he isn't good enough for Liverpool. Now Schurlre - theres a player.

Similar situation to any Torres suggestions. Its not about want - its about affordability and convenience. Big expensive non-Suarez gambles generally don't pay off in January and we have alot less to offer than we did four months ago in terms of money and CL ambitions.

Could we not sell Borini to Sunderland for 10-12m & then get Bony for 19m as he has a buyout clause.

LuckyLloyd · 12-12-2014 02:10PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Torres is a silly player to want.

he's been done for at least 2 years, if not more.

go and buy a quality forward player; one we know will do the job. simple as. Arsenal paid a fúckload for Sanchez, but guess what, they will have had no worries about whether it'd work or not.

pay the fúcking money needed for someone who will be guaranteed to make a difference. nothing less.

MD1990 wrote: »

A few days ago it was Rafa now some people want Torres back. Need to stop living in the past Torres is a very poor striker now. Don't forget we finished 7th in 09/10 & Torres then sulked after the world cup except against Chelsea.
Torres returning & most likely flopping would make the club look incredibly stupid in the transfer market again.

FSG aren't going to buy a top quality striker on big wages. Faced with the choice of:

- more Lallana /Markovic bull**** "potential";
- a Torres for buttons;

I'd rather get the latter. I don't think Rodgers will be here next year so I don't want more of the current transfer policy until the next man is in place and can hopefully influence it positively.

Agent Coulson · 12-12-2014 02:11PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Could we not sell Borini to Sunderland for 10-12m & then get Bony for 19m as he has a buyout clause.

Didn't we try the first part of that in the summer and Borini refused to go.

Agent Coulson · 12-12-2014 02:14PM

So Lallana has broken ribs for the last few weeks and they tell the world before we play against elbows Fellaini very strange.

So I guess Lallana won't be playing against utd.

SlickRic · 12-12-2014 02:16PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

FSG aren't going to buy a top quality striker on big wages. Faced with the choice of:

- more Lallana /Markovic bull**** "potential";
- a Torres for buttons;

I'd rather get the latter. I don't think Rodgers will be here next year so I don't want more of the current transfer policy until the next man is in place and can hopefully influence it positively.

of all our signings, I honestly think slating Lallana as merely bullshít potential is the most misplaced.

he's been good any time he's played; he's just been chopped and changed relentlessly.

MR NINE · 12-12-2014 02:20PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

You can't blame Torres for leaving. He had no connection to Liverpool bar it being his employer.

If my job looked like it was going pear shaped and I received an offer from another company in better shape with increased wages I'd be gone in an instant.

Cant blame him for leaving but ill always hold a grudge for his conduct during the last six months of his career at liverpool. He spent months moping and sulking on the pitch coz things werent going well. The timing of the deal and the club he joined also left a bad taste, though they cant necessarily be blamed on him.

Im glad his career bombed after leaving us, its exactly what he deserved for spending six months making it clear he felt the club was beneath him and making minimal effort on the pitch to help out a struggling side, as though his energy wasnt worth it. His attitude stinks and im mystified as to how people could want him back now when hes not even good anymore.

Hidalgo · 12-12-2014 02:21PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

FSG aren't going to buy a top quality striker on big wages. Faced with the choice of:

- more Lallana /Markovic bull**** "potential";
- a Torres for buttons;

I'd rather get the latter. I don't think Rodgers will be here next year so I don't want more of the current transfer policy until the next man is in place and can hopefully influence it positively.

I agree with you that its either a Torres type deal (for buttons) or nothing in Jan. I don't see a quality striker in Jan.
I'd prefer more of Lallana than Torres being brought back tbh if that was a straight choice.

Chucky the tree · 12-12-2014 02:23PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

FSG aren't going to buy a top quality striker on big wages. Faced with the choice of:

- more Lallana /Markovic bull**** "potential";
- a Torres for buttons;

I'd rather get the latter. I don't think Rodgers will be here next year so I don't want more of the current transfer policy until the next man is in place and can hopefully influence it positively.

I'd rather potential than ****e. At least potential has a chance of turning into something good.

MD1990 · 12-12-2014 02:23PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Didn't we try the first part of that in the summer and Borini refused to go.

I think the reason Rodgers isnt playing him is to force him to move & hopefully he will reconsider going to Sunderland.

Agent Coulson · 12-12-2014 02:26PM

MD1990 wrote: »

I think the reason Rodgers isnt playing him is to force him to move & hopefully he will reconsider going to Sunderland.

I don't think Borini will go he knows he holds all the cards.

He has been treated like crap if he digs his heels in Rodgers could be gone first.

SlickRic · 12-12-2014 02:26PM

wow. look who got our Player of the Month.

no disrespect to him at all, but it's a sign of our drastic fall.

Lord Trollington · 12-12-2014 02:28PM

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

Torres is done lads, completely finished, forget about him. Defoe, Keane, Torres all mentioned this week, jesus wept things must be really desperate if that's the thinking.

I'd take Torres, Keane or Defoe in Jan rather than continuing with what we have currently

Lambert : Slow and not good enough
Borini : Not getting a look in
Balo : Hasn't performed at all
Sturridge: Injuries could drag on

Agent Coulson · 12-12-2014 02:29PM

SlickRic wrote: »

wow. look who got our Player of the Month.

no disrespect to him at all, but it's a sign of our drastic fall.

It was going to be either him or Lucas that is where we are at now.

gafferino · 12-12-2014 02:35PM

SlickRic wrote: »

wow. look who got our Player of the Month.

no disrespect to him at all, but it's a sign of our drastic fall.

Well he played well in fairness and we are unbeaten in 4 or so games with mostly him in the team.

But yeah... clutching at straws.

brevity · 12-12-2014 02:40PM

Fair play to him to be honest. Was always happy with his signing. I'd wish could get similar for midfield and striker positions.

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