The Paedophile Next Door

Piliger · 07-12-2014 01:57AM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Finally!! A sane voice speaks ............. was starting to think everybody on Boards was becoming a member of "The Let's Help The Poor Paedophiles Brigade"!!!!

The critical and tragic flaw in your fundamentalist attitude is that it makes the study of paedophilia impossible.

As such it essentially condemns generations of children in the future to continuing and ongoing appalling abuse without any hope of stemming it.

ALiasEX · 07-12-2014 11:40AM

Shep_Dog wrote: »

Web server log files record who views what. When a server is seized, in the USA the police notify the victims when their images have been viewed and by who. The victims have the right to sue the viewers, potentially, for everything they own.

What about if the distributor doesn't know how many have viewed the file? (e.g. a user,not owner, of a chan board)

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 12:58PM

Piliger wrote: »

The critical and tragic flaw in your fundamentalist attitude is that it makes the study of paedophilia impossible.

As such it essentially condemns generations of children in the future to continuing and ongoing appalling abuse without any hope of stemming it.

Your opinion is based on the premise that there may be a "cure" for paedophilia ........... I don't believe there is one, any more than I believe there is a cure for homosexuality or heterosexuality.

There has been various treatments used in an attempt to eradicate the disease of paedophilia, all of which have achieved little or no success.

I believe that those paedophiles who have yet to act on their urges have done so out of fear of imprisonment and/or isolation from society as opposed to any form of self-control.

We do need more research ........... but I believe we need more research in the areas of identifying and catching paedophiles.

And once caught they must be then quarantined regardless of whether or not they have committed any actual crime yet ......... I know this a controversial opinion but I truly believe it is necessary just like it's necessary to quarantine an individual against their will who has contracted the Ebola virus ......... it's not "fair" but it must be done for the greater good of society.

So to answer the Op's question ........... no, in my opinion, it is not possible to successfully treat paedophiles.

ALiasEX · 07-12-2014 02:11PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Your opinion is based on the premise that there may be a "cure" for paedophilia ........... I don't believe there is one, any more than I believe there is a cure for homosexuality or heterosexuality.

There has been various treatments used in an attempt to eradicate the disease of paedophilia, all of which have achieved little or no success.

I believe that those paedophiles who have yet to act on their urges have done so out of fear of imprisonment and/or isolation from society as opposed to any form of self-control.

We do need more research ........... but I believe we need more research in the areas of identifying and catching paedophiles.

And once caught they must be then quarantined regardless of whether or not they have committed any actual crime yet ......... I know this a controversial opinion but I truly believe it is necessary just like it's necessary to quarantine an individual against their will who has contracted the Ebola virus ......... it's not "fair" but it must be done for the greater good of society.

So to answer the Op's question ........... no, in my opinion, it is not possible to successfully treat paedophiles.

And it's not worth finding out if your opinion is wrong?

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 02:40PM

ALiasEX wrote: »

And it's not worth finding out if your opinion is wrong?

If a "cure" is found my opinion would would change ........ do you believe a person's sexuality can be changed or "cured"? Can we change a homosexual individual into a heterosexual??

looking_around · 07-12-2014 03:21PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

If a "cure" is found my opinion would would change ........ do you believe a person's sexuality can be changed or "cured"? Can we change a homosexual individual into a heterosexual??

it's not a sexuality(requires attraction to gender, not age), it's a fetish.

Idk if fetishes can change, most people aren't interested in changing their fetishes, but then most fetishes don't hurt others, so it's complicated.

"Treatment of the specific fetish rather than the primary underlying dynamic has not been very promising. Behavioral techniques show some promise, particularly when aided by adequate follow-up"http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/291419-treatment

I suppose the real problem is we don't know where or why fetishes form. We also don't try treating them early enough (adolescence. It's harder to change the older you get.)

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 03:27PM

looking_around wrote: »

it's not a sexuality(requires attraction to gender, not age), it's a fetish.

Idk if fetishes can change, most people aren't interested in changing their fetishes, but then most fetishes don't hurt others, so it's complicated.

"Treatment of the specific fetish rather than the primary underlying dynamic has not been very promising. Behavioral techniques show some promise, particularly when aided by adequate follow-up"http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/291419-treatment

I suppose the real problem is we don't know where or why fetishes form. We also don't try treating them early enough (adolescence. It's harder to change the older you get.)

Whether or not paedophilia is sexuality is open for debate ......... in my opinion it is a sexuality.

I guess I would say that there are homosexual, heterosexual and bisexual paedophiles .......... I certainly would not describe paedophilia as a "fetish".

looking_around · 07-12-2014 03:31PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Whether or not paedophilia is sexuality is open for debate ......... in my opinion it is a sexuality.

I guess I would say that there are homosexual, heterosexual and bisexual paedophiles .......... I certainly would not describe paedophilia as a "fetish".

Doesn't matter how you describe it,

that's the definition.

Paedophilia can't be a sexuality, because a paedophile can be gay/bi/straight, they just have a obsessive compulsive attraction to children.
Use those same words for anything..obsessive compulsive attraction to feet, or obsessive compulsive attraction to pain. And you'll see that it IS a fetish. Read the definitions. Whether your opinion agrees or not, doesn't matter.

That's like disagreeing with the definition for any word out there. The definition doesn't change based on who reads it.

Eamondomc · 07-12-2014 04:49PM

looking_around wrote: »

Doesn't matter how you describe it,

that's the definition.

Paedophilia can't be a sexuality, because a paedophile can be gay/bi/straight, they just have a obsessive compulsive attraction to children.
Use those same words for anything..obsessive compulsive attraction to feet, or obsessive compulsive attraction to pain. And you'll see that it IS a fetish. Read the definitions. Whether your opinion agrees or not, doesn't matter.

That's like disagreeing with the definition for any word out there. The definition doesn't change based on who reads it.

Mostly true, but what if you have no other sexual aside and are only and totally attracted to children, is it then still just a fetish?

Piliger · 07-12-2014 04:54PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Your opinion is based on the premise that there may be a "cure" for paedophilia ........... I don't believe there is one, any more than I believe there is a cure for homosexuality or heterosexuality.

While evefryone is entitled to opine, you offer absolutely no evidence that there is any similarity or parallel. Common sense would indeed dismiss your theory and place it far more in the same bracket as those who prefer big breasts or much older ladies or men.

There has been various treatments used in an attempt to eradicate the disease of paedophilia, all of which have achieved little or no success.

All of this has been with criminal abusers. None with non criminal paedophiles.

I believe that those paedophiles who have yet to act on their urges have done so out of fear of imprisonment and/or isolation from society as opposed to any form of self-control.

A theory, but not supported by any evidence or common sense.

We do need more research ........... but I believe we need more research in the areas of identifying and catching paedophiles.

So really you are not interested in child welfare, just the hunt.

And once caught they must be then quarantined regardless of whether or not they have committed any actual crime yet ......... I know this a controversial opinion but I truly believe it is necessary just like it's necessary to quarantine an individual against their will who has contracted the Ebola virus ......... it's not "fair" but it must be done for the greater good of society.

I don't believe any comment of mine could do justice to the abject nature of that comment.

looking_around · 07-12-2014 04:56PM

Eamondomc wrote: »

Mostly true, but what if you have no other sexual aside and are only and totally attracted to children, is it then still just a fetish?

yes, because they're not attracted to every child. They'll be primarily straight/gay/bi and attracted then to children of that gender.

You are straight?
Are you attracted to every female out there of every age? or only to specific characteristics?

Piliger · 07-12-2014 04:56PM

Eamondomc wrote: »

Mostly true, but what if you have no other sexual aside and are only and totally attracted to children, is it then still just a fetish?

What if ? How can it be determined without research ?

Piliger · 07-12-2014 04:59PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Whether or not paedophilia is sexuality is open for debate ......... in my opinion it is a sexuality.

I guess I would say that there are homosexual, heterosexual and bisexual paedophiles .......... I certainly would not describe paedophilia as a "fetish".

And yet you clearly haven't a clue when you include all paedophiles as "bisexual paedophiles".

Your views are clearly blinded by prejudice and an aggression that prevents any rational input. You even come out with "If a "cure" is found my opinion would would change."

Yet if your fundamentalist extreme views were applied, then that would prevent any research capable of finding a cure, or a treatment.

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 04:59PM

looking_around wrote: »

Doesn't matter how you describe it,

that's the definition.

Paedophilia can't be a sexuality, because a paedophile can be gay/bi/straight, they just have a obsessive compulsive attraction to children.
Use those same words for anything..obsessive compulsive attraction to feet, or obsessive compulsive attraction to pain. And you'll see that it IS a fetish. Read the definitions. Whether your opinion agrees or not, doesn't matter.

That's like disagreeing with the definition for any word out there. The definition doesn't change based on who reads it.

Well actually the definition (according to Oxford) is "sexual attraction to children" ............ homosexuality is defined as "sexual attraction to people of one's own sex" so it's not actually just my opinion, it would seem to be the official definition.

A fetish is defined as "sexual desire in which gratification is linked to a particular object, item of clothing or part of the body" ......... paedophilia does not fall into the fetish category.

These are the definitions so ........... you're wrong on this occasion.

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 05:03PM

Piliger wrote: »

While evefryone is entitled to opine, you offer absolutely no evidence that there is any similarity or parallel. Common sense would indeed dismiss your theory and place it far more in the same bracket as those who prefer big breasts or much older ladies or men.

All of this has been with criminal abusers. None with non criminal paedophiles.

A theory, but not supported by any evidence or common sense.

So really you are not interested in child welfare, just the hunt.

I don't believe any comment of mine could do justice to the abject nature of that comment.

Your opinion disagreeing with my opinion is just that ......... a difference of opinion.
You have no evidence to suggest that your opinion is in some way factual ........

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 05:05PM

looking_around wrote: »

yes, because they're not attracted to every child. They'll be primarily straight/gay/bi and attracted then to children of that gender.

You are straight?
Are you attracted to every female out there of every age? or only to specific characteristics?

You've just said it .......... I'm heterosexual but I'm not attracted to every woman .......... a paedophile's sexuality does not mean he is attracted to every child ........ but I am still heterosexual and the paedophile is still a paedophile.

Eamondomc · 07-12-2014 05:07PM

looking_around wrote: »

yes, because they're not attracted to every child. They'll be primarily straight/gay/bi and attracted then to children of that gender.

You are straight?
Are you attracted to every female out there of every age? or only to specific characteristics?

Piliger wrote: »

What if ? How can it be determined without research ?

It probably cant, I just asked the question and as there is no specific answer I would be thinking that if there is no other attraction for some it is not a fetish but the only way be it in fantasy or by abusing to get sexual relief.

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 05:07PM

Piliger wrote: »

And yet you clearly haven't a clue when you include all paedophiles as "bisexual paedophiles".

Your views are clearly blinded by prejudice and an aggression that prevents any rational input. You even come out with "If a "cure" is found my opinion would would change."

Yet if your fundamentalist extreme views were applied, then that would prevent any research capable of finding a cure, or a treatment.

You mis-read my post ........ there are homosexual paedophiles, heterosexual paedophiles and bisexual paedophiles.

looking_around · 07-12-2014 05:13PM

http://www.virped.org/index.php/resources

Some resources by "virtuous paedophiles". (granted I do think that's a terrible name... but there's some interesting reading there.)
Also worth a look http://www.b4uact.org/.

They bring up good points, for example Maddog, what if you're own child was attracted to children? Would you hate them? Would you treat them with disdain?

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 05:16PM

looking_around wrote: »

http://www.virped.org/index.php/resources

Some resources by "virtuous paedophiles". (granted I do think that's a terrible name... but there's some interesting reading there.)
Also worth a look http://www.b4uact.org/.

They bring up good points, for example Maddog, what if you're own child was attracted to children? Would you hate them? Would you treat them with disdain?

If my own child turned out to be a paedophile or rapist or serial killer my sympathies would lie with his victims ........... yes I would treat any paedophile with disdain.

looking_around · 07-12-2014 05:18PM

would you prefer I use paraphilia then "bout 88,900 results (0.29 seconds)
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paraphilia
ˌparəˈfɪlɪə/
nounPSYCHIATRY
a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities."

also, I meant the definition of sexual orientation
noun
a person's sexual identity in relation to the gender to which they are attracted; the fact of being heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual.
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but fair enough Maddog, I concede that some paedophiles are only attracted to children. However it's not determined why, it is known most discover this in their teens, I wonder if more studies at this time, may find out why and may also devise a treatment FOR teens.

looking_around · 07-12-2014 05:19PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

If my own child turned out to be a paedophile or rapist or serial killer my sympathies would lie with his victims ........... yes I would treat any paedophile with disdain.

but he may not have done anything?
AGAIN you are using paedophile synonymously with child molester. Please use the correct terms.

looking_around · 07-12-2014 05:25PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

You've just said it .......... I'm heterosexual but I'm not attracted to every woman .......... a paedophile's sexuality does not mean he is attracted to every child ........ but I am still heterosexual and the paedophile is still a paedophile.

A paedophile is just a name for their sexual preference not orientation.

The same way a sadist, is just a name that explains they like pain, it's not their orientation.

Having a preference to children, in terms of sexuality (not legally or harm), is no different to having a preference for red heads or asians, or oldies, or dark skin.

Therefore it's a sexual preference.

Piliger · 07-12-2014 05:46PM

looking_around wrote: »

A paedophile is just a name for their sexual preference not orientation.

The same way a sadist, is just a name that explains they like pain, it's not their orientation.

Having a preference to children, in terms of sexuality (not legally or harm), is no different to having a preference for red heads or asians, or oldies, or dark skin.

Therefore it's a sexual preference.

As is obvious to pretty well everyone.

looking_around · 07-12-2014 05:51PM

Piliger wrote: »

As is obvious to pretty well everyone.

clearly not, by many in this thread.

Piliger · 07-12-2014 06:18PM

looking_around wrote: »

clearly not, by many in this thread.

A tiny number.

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 06:59PM

looking_around wrote: »

but he may not have done anything?
AGAIN you are using paedophile synonymously with child molester. Please use the correct terms.

looking_around wrote: »

A paedophile is just a name for their sexual preference not orientation.

The same way a sadist, is just a name that explains they like pain, it's not their orientation.

Having a preference to children, in terms of sexuality (not legally or harm), is no different to having a preference for red heads or asians, or oldies, or dark skin.

Therefore it's a sexual preference.

I've posted the official correct definition of paedophilia and it supports my definition of a paedophile ......... I'm sorry that it does not back up your opinion but that's hardly my fault.

looking_around · 07-12-2014 07:03PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

I've posted the official correct definition of paedophilia and it supports my definition of a paedophile ......... I'm sorry that it does not back up your opinion but that's hardly my fault.

" someone who is sexually interested in children" from cambridge dictionary...sorry, but oxford isn't the only "official" dictionary out there.

The definition of sexual orientation, means paedophilia cannot be an orientation, so find that definition.

If you find an orientation that includes age, from a reputable source, then I'll concede.

looking_around · 07-12-2014 07:06PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

I've posted the official correct definition of paedophilia and it supports my definition of a paedophile ......... I'm sorry that it does not back up your opinion but that's hardly my fault.

and anyway, your definition does not support your assumption that all paedophiles are child molesters.

Hank Scorpio · 07-12-2014 07:06PM

Why don't you have a seat over there?

The Paedophile Next Door

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