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Breastfeeding in Public places

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  • #422
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    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    I'm a regular reader of AH and poster on here. You'd swear that people who don't want to banish breastfeeders are organising some sort of boards wide conspiracy.

    I don't think anyone wants to banish them, nor has anyone called it a sexual act, or claimed that the baby should not be fed. You wouldn't know this going by the OTT replies though - "OMG BABY NEEDS TO BE FED"

    As for the "conspiracy", I simply noticed and pointed out in my previous post that there were 4 bans handed out in this thread where breastfeeding was compared to other normal and natural bodily functions. I have no idea why this is, it's AH and as valid as any point even if you don't agree with the opinion, this is AH after all.
    I see one has already been retracted by the Category mod so make of it what you will, looks like a ban for a difference of opinion to me.


  • #423
    Dolbert
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,154 ✭✭✭Dolbert


    I am due to have a (hopefully breastfed) baby any day now and this thread has depressed the hell out of me. I'm actually speechless at how horrible some people are about this. Ireland's breastfeeding rates are abysmal and it's no wonder. Christ. :(


  • #424
    jaja321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭jaja321


    WellThen? wrote: »
    No just leave the table, no one told them to go home.

    And go where?


  • #425
    Mr_Red
    Closed Accounts Posts: 483 ✭✭Mr_Red


    Flippyfloppy wrote: »
    Why , would you prefer mothers to go sit in a stinky toilet cubicle to feed?? If so, next time you're doing some fine dining head off to the nearest toilet cubicle to eat - enjoy!!

    No. I haven't seen anyone suggesting that.

    alot of posters here are asking for mothers to be more discreet about it.

    Like what the hotel had requested the mother should do.


  • #426
    WellThen?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭WellThen?


    Flippyfloppy wrote: »
    Why , would you prefer mothers to go sit in a stinky toilet cubicle to feed?? If so, next time you're doing some fine dining head off to the nearest toilet cubicle to eat - enjoy!!

    Haha what's the story with this bathroom talk, I never said go the bathroom. Everyone needs to chill out.


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  • #427
    jaja321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭jaja321


    Dolbert wrote: »
    I am due to have a (hopefully breastfed) baby any day now and this thread has depressed the hell out of me. I'm actually speechless at how horrible some people are about this. Ireland's breastfeeding rates are abysmal and it's no wonder. Christ. :(

    hussy


  • #428
    Dolbert
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,154 ✭✭✭Dolbert


    As for the comparisons to pissing/ **** in public - you are aware that breasts are not genitals, right?


  • #429
    WellThen?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭WellThen?


    Dolbert wrote: »
    I am due to have a (hopefully breastfed) baby any day now and this thread has depressed the hell out of me. I'm actually speechless at how horrible some people are about this. Ireland's breastfeeding rates are abysmal and it's no wonder. Christ. :(

    Oh no, not the breastfeeding rates. It might be the recession.


  • #430
    ?Cee?view
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    Dolbert wrote: »
    I am due to have a (hopefully breastfed) baby any day now and this thread has depressed the hell out of me. I'm actually speechless at how horrible some people are about this. Ireland's breastfeeding rates are abysmal and it's no wonder. Christ. :(

    Don't worry about it. We've had two who've been breastfed everywhere and I don't think there's ever been a comment or even a look. None of the people with strident opinions here would say a word to you in public. Good luck with it; make sure you have the support of your partner, friends and family i.e. ask for it. If at any stage you feel uncomfortable, just tell those you're with; that alone can dissipate the negativity.


  • #431
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    TrishSimon wrote: »
    just because a woman feels its her right to sit in a public place with her boob out does not mean everyone has to like it.

    Two points here.

    1) she does not just feel like it is her right. It actually is. It is right there in law.

    2) No one is asking anyone to like it that I have noticed. Seems what they are being asked to do is get over it and butt out.
    TrishSimon wrote: »
    I don't know of any women who would sit in a restaurant or hotel tea room as it was and feed their baby right in front of everyone

    And yet I know loads - as do many people on this thread seemingly.
    TrishSimon wrote: »
    There is other options.

    Not all of which are available - possible - or necessary. Just because there are options - in no way obliges someone to exercise them anyway.
    TrishSimon wrote: »
    Obviously this post is full of feeding mothers

    I am neither. Nor am I female. Funny how people on forums like to write "obviously" before things that actually turn out to be false.
    TrishSimon wrote: »
    who feel its their right to feed whenever and where ever you want

    That is because it IS their right. Their legal, actual, right. Read the law.
    TrishSimon wrote: »
    even if it makes people feel uncomfortable

    You have not established why this is relevant - let alone something they need to pander to.
    TrishSimon wrote: »
    and the fact that people challenge you all on the issue pisses you all off

    I doubt there are many people here who would be pissed off at a good challenge or point on the issue. I imagine what is pissing them off is the unwarranted and frankly nonsense basis they are being offered for those challenges. Ranging from "I just can not look somewhere else" through to "Why not feed the baby in the toilet" all the way out to "I can HEAR them SUCKLING dammit".

    If you have a coherent and cogent argument on the subject - present it - and I doubt you will find anyone "pissed off".
    TrishSimon wrote: »
    if people feel uncomfortable to the point where they would want to leave.

    Then they should leave. The same way as if I do not want to look at highly obese people in lycra and I see one in a beer garden - I should also leave.

    The notion you appear to operate under is that if someone is uncomfortable without warrant - that the object of their issue should leave rather than them. You have it exactly backwards really.
    TrishSimon wrote: »
    Everyone think oh dont offend the feeding new mum well what about offending the other customers

    Because the offence of one is grounded in reality, good and cogent and coherent arguments about the nature of feeding babies, and a law that is actually entirely on their side.

    The offence of the other is based on nothing but personal distaste for human biology.

    They are not equivalent.


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  • #432
    cyning
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭cyning


    Mr_Red wrote: »
    No. I haven't seen anyone suggesting that.

    alot of posters here are asking for mothers to be more discreet about it.

    Like what the hotel had requested the mother should do.

    But how was the mother not being discreet? She pulled one top up, a vest down and the baby latched on. What could be seen?

    And regardless of that, she has every right to feed however she feels fit.


  • #433
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    nm wrote: »
    I don't think anyone wants to banish them, nor has anyone called it a sexual act, or claimed that the baby should not be fed. You wouldn't know this going by the OTT replies though - "OMG BABY NEEDS TO BE FED"

    As for the "conspiracy", I simply noticed and pointed out in my previous post that there were 4 bans handed out in this thread where breastfeeding was compared to other normal and natural bodily functions. I have no idea why this is, it's AH and as valid as any point even if you don't agree with the opinion, this is AH after all.
    I see one has already been retracted by the Category mod so make of it what you will, looks like a ban for a difference of opinion to me.

    How is it ott to say babies need to be fed? It's true, breastfed babies are fed on demand & when they decide in the early days. To leave them without food can cause dehydration. Some babies feed every hour, or even less, and need to be fed at a minimum of every three hours, for up to an hour at a time. Newborn babies cluster feed when you least expect it. In the early days, to refuse a feed could effect your milk supply badly. Breastfeeding is a lot of hard work and isn't as cut & dry as bottle feeding which is around every four hours & much more predictable.


  • #434
    Dolbert
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,154 ✭✭✭Dolbert


    WellThen? wrote: »
    Oh no, not the breastfeeding rates. It might be the recession.

    What?


  • #435
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    Dolbert wrote: »
    As for the comparisons to pissing/ **** in public - you are aware that breasts are not genitals, right?

    Technically they are not no. Breastfeeding aside for a minute - are you honestly going to tell me breasts are not considered private / private parts?

    If so surely you can see where the comparison people have suggested comes from.


  • #436
    CramCycle
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    WellThen? wrote: »
    God will you all get over this, It should not be on display, go somewhere else. It would take 2 minutes and you wouldn't make others uncomfortable eating their meal. They don't have children, It is not their child. Let them eat in peace without screaming babies and lactating tits out over the table.
    WellThen? wrote: »
    2 minutes to stand up and move instead of 15 minutes of me looking down at the table, shifting in my chair, I mean sometimes it's right in front of you, in your line of vision. Just don't see why it is 100% necessary.
    Are you sure they were breastfeeding, because anytime I have seen a breastfeeding mother it is nearly impossible to see their breast. All you can actually see is a babys head and at most the same amount of skin you would see with a modest V neck top.

    A better question should be, why does it make you uncomfortable?

    Candie wrote: »
    Not all the contributors are mothers, I'm not.
    Neither am I


  • #437
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,957 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    nm wrote: »
    I see one has already been retracted by the Category mod so make of it what you will, looks like a ban for a difference of opinion to me.

    That DR thread predates this one by a good few hours.
    Mr_Red wrote: »
    alot of posters here are asking for mothers to be more discreet about it.

    Like what the hotel had requested the mother should do.
    Looking at the pictures from the link in the OP, I don't think you could argue that the 'after' picture is more discreet than the 'before' picture.


  • #438
    pwurple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,132 ✭✭✭✭pwurple


    WellThen? wrote: »
    Like I posted above, some are more discreet than others. Like I'm not making this up, some women have the whole thing out and don't care about anybody around them, It makes me uncomfortable, that's all. It's a beautiful thing blah blah I know, just would prefer if it was done behind a door that's all.

    Jeez, sometimes I wish the crazy stick-wielding nuns were back. My mum tells a story about some fella in a maternity hospital telling his wife to cover herself up when learning to feed the baby. He received a quick smack from the nun with a very cross "Don't be so stupid, what do you think they are for".


  • #439
    Fuzzytrooper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭Fuzzytrooper


    Dolbert wrote: »
    I am due to have a (hopefully breastfed) baby any day now and this thread has depressed the hell out of me. I'm actually speechless at how horrible some people are about this. Ireland's breastfeeding rates are abysmal and it's no wonder. Christ. :(

    Don't worry about it. You'll be so happy to have your little one that it'll override any other negatives. Wife and I haven't done much eating out with our new arrival in the past few weeks but any time we have (just cafés etc) he has slept so it really hasn't come up. I think most places should be fairly accommodating so long as you work with them - maybe just ask if it's ok when being served out of politeness and as others have said, be discreet. I've a few friends who would've had addiction issues in the past and would struggle with having a drink, so while I can enjoy a beer or two, I wouldn't flaunt it in their faces. I think the same goes for breastfeeding. If it offends some people it's really their problem but there's no need to advertise.


  • #440
    IvyTheTerrible
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    nm wrote: »
    Technically they are not no. Breastfeeding aside for a minute - are you honestly going to tell me breasts are not considered private / private parts?

    If so surely you can see where the comparison people have suggested comes from.
    The difference is, it is illegal to piss or **** in public. Breastfeeding in public, on the other hand, is a right PROTECTED by the law.


  • #441
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    Flippyfloppy wrote: »
    How is it ott to say babies need to be fed? It's true

    I know it's true. No one has said otherwise. You're arguing a point that hasn't been made, which is OTT. That was my point.


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  • #442
    Fuzzytrooper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭Fuzzytrooper


    pwurple wrote: »
    Jeez, sometimes I wish the crazy stick-wielding nuns were back. My mum tells a story about some fella in a maternity hospital telling his wife to cover herself up when learning to feed the baby. He received a quick smack from the nun with a very cross "Don't be so stupid, what do you think they are for".

    I love crazy stick wielding nuns.


  • #443
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    Mr_Red wrote: »
    No. I haven't seen anyone suggesting that.

    alot of posters here are asking for mothers to be more discreet about it.

    Like what the hotel had requested the mother should do.

    Does anyone have experience of mothers not being discreet?
    I know for a fact that my first baby would have freaked out and got all hot and bothered with that white sheet from Claridges over her.

    And as for the people saying to express & feed from a bottle while out and about- as a general rule you're not meant to give babies under six weeks who are breastfed bottles. A lot of breastfed babies simply won't take bottles because they don't know what to do with them.


  • #444
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    osarusan wrote: »
    That DR thread predates this one by a good few hours.

    No it doesn't :confused:

    Anyway back on topic now before I get banned..


  • #445
    cyning
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    nm wrote: »
    Technically they are not no. Breastfeeding aside for a minute - are you honestly going to tell me breasts are not considered private / private parts?

    If so surely you can see where the comparison people have suggested comes from.

    I've said this before but I'm going to repeat myself. If the mother changed the babies nappy on the table it would be comparable: baby is feeding, everyone else is eating why shouldn't baby?

    Breasts are for feeding baby. That is their primary purpose. So therefore if baby is hungry: you feed baby. It's not exactly rocket science.


  • #446
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    nm wrote: »
    I know it's true. No one has said otherwise. You're arguing a point that hasn't been made, which is OTT. That was my point.

    Your point wasn't clearly made at all, also im not arguing- I was simply backing up my statement with information explains the whys of women needing to feed their babies when they're hungry


  • #447
    dubstarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭dubstarr


    Plus some of the feeding rooms are disgusting.Some have toilets in them as well.Or baby changing facilities which smells worse than the toilets.
    And i will feed where i like because ITS THE LAW.


  • #448
    Hannibal Smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    Dolbert wrote: »
    I am due to have a (hopefully breastfed) baby any day now and this thread has depressed the hell out of me. I'm actually speechless at how horrible some people are about this. Ireland's breastfeeding rates are abysmal and it's no wonder. Christ. :(

    Don't worry. ..you'll be stripped of all your dignity in the delivery ward so 'whipping out your boob' won't be a big deal at all! !
    *whisper* only joking. ..best of luck!


  • #449
    WellThen?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭WellThen?


    pwurple wrote: »
    Jeez, sometimes I wish the crazy stick-wielding nuns were back. My mum tells a story about some fella in a maternity hospital telling his wife to cover herself up when learning to feed the baby. He received a quick smack from the nun with a very cross "Don't be so stupid, what do you think they are for".

    Haha she was in a hospital, that's ridiculous and he sounds like a square. But we are actually talking about a restaurant here so....


  • #450
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    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    The difference is, it is illegal to piss or **** in public. Breastfeeding in public, on the other hand, is a right PROTECTED by the law.

    I dont feel particularly strongly on this but just to play devil advocate then - so if it wasn't illegal, you'd be cool with people taking a **** in public due to it being natural and well, they NEEDED to **** right there, so that's that?

    Sure if you don't want to see it, look away. Yea?


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  • #451
    IvyTheTerrible
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    nm wrote: »
    I dont feel particularly strongly on this but just to play devil advocate then - so if it wasn't illegal, you'd be cool with people taking a **** in public due to it being natural and well, they NEEDED to **** right there, so that's that?

    Sure if you don't want to see it, look away. Yea?
    It is illegal so your point is moot.


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