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Will homelessness ever end?

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  • #32
    bluemartin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 188 ✭✭bluemartin


    KKkitty wrote: »
    In any city or town how many buildings are left idle? Could these places be done up to give homeless people somewhere sheltered to sleep?

    It's not as simple as that, as stated above some homeless people do not want to live in shelters, some are fearful of attack from other residents, they may be worried about the dangers of mixing with challenging people. It is ok to do up old buildings etc but what about the resources to staff the hostels, there are numerous issues to take into account not just providing the physical structure.


  • #33
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Girl I know works for focus ireland, says there are enough temp beds but people have to not drink/shoot up/be under the influence/aggressive in order to avail of the service. A lot of people are simply too far down the rabbit hole to comply eith these rules and stay outside instead.


  • #34
    KKkitty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    I get what you're saying but it's a case of you can't help them all. Just thinking of how many people could have passed by that man before and after he died not knowing what really was about to happen to him is heartbreaking.


  • #35
    bluemartin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 188 ✭✭bluemartin


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Girl I know works for focus ireland, says there are enough temp beds but people have to not drink/shoot up/be under the influence/aggressive in order to avail of the service. A lot of people are simply too far down the rabbit hole to comply eith these rules and stay outside instead.


    that is very true, some residents just can't comply with the rules, they get into fights etc. Some hostels do allow residents to drink in their rooms but drugs are banned everywhere.


  • #36
    cruais
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭cruais


    letsgetloud wrote: »
    hope not or I will have no one to throw rubbish at.

    Your attempt at being humorous is pathetic. Get the boat


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  • #37
    bluemartin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 188 ✭✭bluemartin


    KKkitty wrote: »
    I get what you're saying but it's a case of you can't help them all. Just thinking of how many people could have passed by that man before and after he died not knowing what really was about to happen to him is heartbreaking.


    Yes it is heart breaking and very distressing for people to take in. Homeless people are hugely at risk from hypothermia especially in this cold weather. Many also present with numerous health problems such as bronchiatis. Ideally in a perfect world there would be no one on the streets but homelessness is a complex process and it will most likely always be with us.


  • #38
    bluemartin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 188 ✭✭bluemartin


    cruais wrote: »
    Your attempt at being humorous is pathetic. Get the boat

    people who make those statements do not warrant a comment back, best to ignore them.


  • #39
    Sclosages
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 489 ✭✭Sclosages


    I'm, white, Irish, scored top 5% Leaving Cert, was battered almost to death by my mother on a daily basis. Anyway - nobody wants nervous genius' I don't expect Irish People to do a thing anymore. Recession. Poverty. Death


  • #40
    Slicemeister
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    Sclosages wrote: »
    I'm, white, Irish, scored top 5% Leaving Cert, was battered almost to death by my mother on a daily basis. Anyway - nobody wants nervous genius' I don't expect Irish People to do a thing anymore. Recession. Poverty. Death


    Did you read the end of your thread over in PI? Some great info put up by the mod there, just asking in case you hadn't.


  • #41
    crybaby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭crybaby


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    UN figures suggest that 21,000 people, mostly children, die of starvation per day. Cruel world.

    What a disturbing statistic, christ.


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  • #42
    Zambia
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    Someone once told me the best thing you can do for the homeless is you not give them any competition.

    Look after yourself your family and your mates.

    I have met a lot of homeless people, most are homeless because they spend all their life burning bridges.


  • #43
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    As long as there is people with addiction problems and mental illness there will be homeslessness sadly.


  • #44
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    KKkitty wrote: »
    In any city or town how many buildings are left idle? Could these places be done up to give homeless people somewhere sheltered to sleep?

    Aye, that'll happen.

    NIMBY! NIMBY! NIMBY!


  • #45
    Venus In Furs
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    Sclosages wrote: »
    was battered almost to death by my mother on a daily basis. Anyway - nobody wants nervous genius' I don't expect Irish People to do a thing anymore. Recession. Poverty. Death
    There IS help for someone who has gone through such horrific damaging trauma as you Sclosages. London has countless such supports (e.g. NHS, Victim Support - sorry, I can't link). Please please reach out to those people who can help you.


  • #46
    KKkitty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Aye, that'll happen.

    NIMBY! NIMBY! NIMBY!

    Hate people who have a NIMBY attitude. A former TD who is living out the road from me slept outside in the main town for the night seemingly. It was the biggest farce of a thing IMO. One night was a joke to those who sleep for endless nights wherever they can find somewhere.


  • #47
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    KKkitty wrote: »
    In any city or town how many buildings are left idle? Could these places be done up to give homeless people somewhere sheltered to sleep?

    You could house everyone who is homeless tomorrow.

    That doesn't cure the reason they are homeless in the first place.

    How long before someone with an addiction starts to forget to pay their rent or can because they are spending all their money on their addiction.

    It won't belong before they are evicited and once again homeless.

    How about some struggling with a mental illness who can't look after themselves in their new home and end up back on the streets because of the lack of support they get and can't cope.

    This is the vicious circle the support groups and charities see daily.


  • #48
    KKkitty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    You could house everyone who is homeless tomorrow.

    That doesn't cure the reason they are homeless in the first place.

    How long before someone with an addiction starts to forget to pay their rent or can because they are spending all their money on their addiction.

    It won't belong before they are evicited and once again homeless.

    How about some struggling with a mental illness who can't look after themselves in their new home and end up back on the streets because of the lack of support they get and can't cope.

    This is the vicious circle the support groups and charities see daily.

    I know but after that poor man's death one can hope that people get help with whatever addiction or mental illness they have.


  • #49
    Chucken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    You could house everyone who is homeless tomorrow.

    That doesn't cure the reason they are homeless in the first place.

    .

    http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/800-children-made-homeless-in-first-10-months-of-2014-30768330.html

    House all the homeless!


  • #50
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    As long as people are happy enough to trade everything they own and then some for another hit of whatever drug they're on then no it won't end.

    It's like war, starvation, poverty, religious persecution etc etc. As long humans exist so will these things.

    Homelessness happens as a result of other more serious problems, drug addiction and mental illness mostly. So to combat homelessness properly you to target these issues. Simply moving everyone off the streets and into accommodation won't work in the long term because it doesn't address the root cause of the problem.


  • #51
    Mark Tapley
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    Sclosages wrote: »
    I'm, white, Irish, scored top 5% Leaving Cert, was battered almost to death by my mother on a daily basis. Anyway - nobody wants nervous genius' I don't expect Irish People to do a thing anymore. Recession. Poverty. Death

    I hope you get something sorted tomorrow. Please, contact one or all of the organisations suggested on the other thread. There are good people around and you will get help.


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  • #52
    ardle1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭ardle1


    Sclosages wrote: »
    I'm, white, Irish, scored top 5% Leaving Cert, was battered almost to death by my mother on a daily basis. Anyway - nobody wants nervous genius' I don't expect Irish People to do a thing anymore. Recession. Poverty. Death

    That's a 'bit' sad mate, what's the story there, are you in London?


  • #53
    Ruu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    A reminder for those who might be in bother or know someone with problems, please read.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057082164


  • #54
    Wompa1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,362 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Not to sound like an a-hole but the people that are homeless also have to be willing to be helped


  • #55
    yipeeeee
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    It's a sad situation, but it's also been used to score political points.

    Just look at the Irish water thread last night. People using the mans death to have a pop and blame the government, even though it was stated on the news he was brought to a hostel fed etc but left of his own accord.

    Instead of always blaming the government people could ask themselves what they could do.


  • #56
    Sclosages
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 489 ✭✭Sclosages


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Not to sound like an a-hole but the people that are homeless also have to be willing to be helped

    You sound like an a-hole, despite your best efforts.


  • #57
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Aye, that'll happen.

    NIMBY! NIMBY! NIMBY!
    Oddly, I've found homeless people on the whole to be a more decent sort than your common-or-garden Jeremy Kyle-level scrotebag.
    They seem to be more interested in a casual chat and a laugh than showing how hard they are and coming off as a big man.
    Perhaps living on the streets teaches one to keep their head down. Obviously there are a few who are mentally ill and a danger to themselves and others, but while the guys hanging around on custom house quay, for example, appear intimidating, I've never had any trouble with them nor heard of anyone having any trouble with them.


  • #58
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭conorhal


    I doublt it.

    Perhaps if we had an immigration policy that worked we wouldn't be giving more then half the social housing in Dublin for foreign nationals then the problem wouldn't be that severe, but you can't be saying that!


  • #59
    KomradeBishop
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    Ending homelessness, means tackling the root cause of all the various different problems which lead to homelessness - better ways to deal with addicts (be that drugs or drink), better mental health services, better safeguards against high unemployment, better safeguards against financial difficulty in general, among more.

    The solutions all connect/intermesh with a ton of complicated societal/political/economic problems, but nearly all are possible to resolve, but would require a pretty big change from how the country is run at present.


  • #60
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    KKkitty wrote: »
    In the news today we were told of the awful story of a man who died metres away from the Dail due to being homeless. Before anyone says this man is not the first to die alone let me just say I hope it's the last story of its kind we hear of. Whatever the reasons for a person to be without a permanent roof over their heads are why is more not being done about it.

    My family work with the homeless in Canada where they total nearly three million actually living on the streets and we lose many in winter

    Many are drug addicts as this man seems to have been and they cannot be assimilated into hostels if they are drugged up and if they refuse rehab. Men especially quickly become habituated and cannot cope with a house etc.

    We care for them where they are. Bales of hay save lives. We dont ask how or why

    What do folk realisitically expect the govt to do? so much is what WE can do ourselves with a little human kindness They a re better at this in the US.. one lady I email makes sandwiches and stops on the way to work to chat to them and feed them...

    scue typos,, cold day1


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  • #61
    BBJBIG
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 277 ✭✭BBJBIG


    NAMA are busy selling the sh1t off to the forrein Vulture guys.
    Foooook everyone else.

    Soon - Oireland will not be owned by d'Oirish anymore.

    The boom time Shysters did not want to build Social Housing ... or, found ways around it.
    And even today, scum Landlords do not want to accept Rent Allowance.

    What a Foooookin Circus is Oireland !!!

    I'm afraid the protests do not go far enough in the roigh direction either in Oireland.
    A Tall Tree and a very short Rope would be more suitable for the Traitors who
    brought the country to its Knees ... and, continue to keep it on its Knees.

    Some people need to be dispatched to meet Jesus much sooner than their
    due arrival date. Instead - in Oireland - we pay em at least 150,000 Shamrocks
    a year in Pensions fur scratchin the Balls all day long.

    I say - bring back the Rope.


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