The Paedophile Next Door

Mr.McLovin · 24-11-2014 05:48PM #1

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/i-have-got-a-problem-i-need-help-paedophile-to-out-himself-in-new-channel-4-documentary-30769200.html

Channel 4's The Paedophile Next Door will feature 39-year-old Eddie admitting openly on camera that he has been sexually attracted to girls as young as four since he was in his 20s, but insisting has never committed a crime.

The programme looks at so-called "virtuous paedophiles" and suggests radical changes are needed to child protection that include treatment and therapy for those who come forward despite never having committed any sex offences.

Is there anyway of treating these people that works?

The One Doctor · 24-11-2014 06:39PM

Is there anyway of treating these people that works?

Pedophilia is a mental illness, so yes there is. However, the stigma is so huge (justifiably so) that they'll probably never get the treatment and therapy they need.

A vicious circle.

Galwayguy35 · 24-11-2014 06:43PM

Chemical castration for those that seek help, might help stop the unnatural urges they have.

As for those that do abuse kids, lock em up for good, society doesn't need scum like that out and about.

wretcheddomain · 24-11-2014 06:48PM

Public hanging, through use of a nappy.

ScumLord · 24-11-2014 06:51PM

The One Doctor wrote: »

Pedophilia is a mental illness,

Is it a mental illness? Or is it just an abnormal sexual orientation? It may be something as fundamentally ingrained in their psyche as being hetero or homosexual.

I don't know either way though.

Calling it an illness implies it can be treated and possibly cured, if it's like the sexuality of hetero or homosexual then maybe it's not something that can be cured and is just a fundamental part of who they are, meaning they'll always be a danger no matter how much treatment they get.

I don't know how society can deal with a problem like that. Peadophiles won't want to put themselves forward for persecution, especially if treatment won't do anything but put them under constant scrutiny. But some form of ongoing treatment must surely be better than trying to control urges without some form of treatment.

January · 24-11-2014 06:56PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Chemical castration for those that seek help, might help stop the unnatural urges they have.

As for those that do abuse kids, lock em up for good, society doesn't need scum like that out and about.

And what about those that view/distribute child porn? Are they not doing anything wrong? Chemical castration won't stop them doing that.

AnonoBoy · 24-11-2014 06:57PM

January wrote: »

And what about those that view/distribute child porn? Are they not doing anything wrong? Chemical castration won't stop them doing that.

I don't see how you could think he was saying that people who distribute child porn aren't doing anything wrong.

wp_rathead · 24-11-2014 06:59PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Public hanging, through use of a nappy.

for just admitting to being a paedophile? Even if you never acted upon the urges?

Fuhrer · 24-11-2014 07:00PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Public hanging, through use of a nappy.

How does that work?

January · 24-11-2014 07:00PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I don't see how you could think he was saying that people who distribute child porn aren't doing anything wrong.

I didn't actually, he only touched on the subject of paedophiles acting on their urges, which I presumed to mean abusing children physically. I was asking what he thought about people who didn't specifically 'act' on their urges but still viewed child porn or distributed it.

wp_rathead · 24-11-2014 07:03PM

January wrote: »

I didn't actually, he only touched on the subject of paedophiles acting on their urges, which I presumed to mean abusing children physically. I was asking what he thought about people who didn't specifically 'act' on their urges but still viewed child porn or distributed it.

The lengths one must go through to attain child porn can most definitely be categorised as "acting on their urges"

0byme75341jo28 · 24-11-2014 07:08PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Chemical castration for those that seek help, might help stop the unnatural urges they have.

As for those that do abuse kids, lock em up for good, society doesn't need scum like that out and about.

I'm not entirely sure these urges are unnatural, there seems to always have been pedophiles in the world. Also, why would they ever seek help if they'd be forced into being chemically castrated if they did?

Personally, I would prefer to have a situation where pedophiles were encouraged to seek help before committing an offence, and offered therapy/other forms of treatment, as opposed to the current situation where we wait for them to commit an offence and then lock them up.

Do most people even realise that not all pedophiles are child abusers? The former isn't illegal, the latter is.

seamus · 24-11-2014 07:11PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Is it a mental illness? Or is it just an abnormal sexual orientation? It may be something as fundamentally ingrained in their psyche as being hetero or homosexual.

Possibly, though in my view I would argue that any state of mind where one would willingly harm oneself or another could/should be classed as a mental illness.

Even more so, where many paedophiles who have been caught try to argue that their "relationships" with the children are loving or consensual, that to me only strengthens the idea of it being a mental illness, such is the level of delusion some of them experience.

It's still a tough one though. Can it be treated? Who knows. Voluntary chemical (or actual) castration hasn't been proven effective in any case. I'm sure there are drugs that can suppress libido, but then we know so little about about it, they may not work either. It may not be a purely sexual thing.

As you say, this is a really difficult one for society to deal with. Those who don't act on their urges are never going to come forward and put their hands up or voluntarily present themselves for treatment. We can attempt treatment on those who got caught, but by implication they represent a specific subset of paedophiles - those who have acted on their urges. So treatment on them may not be appropriate for those who can control themselves.

Buona Fortuna · 24-11-2014 07:14PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Chemical castration for those that seek help, might help stop the unnatural urges they have.

As for those that do abuse kids, lock em up for good, society doesn't need scum like that out and about.

And for female child abusers?

seamus · 24-11-2014 07:16PM

wprathead wrote: »

The lengths one must go through to attain child porn can most definitely be categorised as "acting on their urges"

That of course opens up a whole other can of worms.

Obviously porn depicting actual children is and should be illegal.

But what about animated or descriptive? A lot of Hentai skirts dangerously close to being classed as child porn in Ireland. But ultimately even if it is children being depicted and most of us find it physically repulsive, is a paedophile who exclusively looks at this kind of porn still "acting on their urges"?

Galwayguy35 · 24-11-2014 07:17PM

January wrote: »

I didn't actually, he only touched on the subject of paedophiles acting on their urges, which I presumed to mean abusing children physically. I was asking what he thought about people who didn't specifically 'act' on their urges but still viewed child porn or distributed it.

Obviously they should be hauled before the courts, are you suggesting I don't think it's a serious crime viewing that filth?

Its Only Ray Parlour · 24-11-2014 07:21PM

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

And for female child abusers?

Cement their vaginas shut.

Galwayguy35 · 24-11-2014 07:22PM

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

And for female child abusers?

TBH I have no answer for that.

wretcheddomain · 24-11-2014 07:29PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

How does that work?

As the Fuhrer, I'm surprised you're even asking that. :pac:

shruikan2553 · 24-11-2014 07:32PM

People often mistake paedophiles and child abusers. I am attracted to women but people don't assume I'm going to sexualy assault them outside of a few crazys on tumblr. Of course you have to account I can have a consensual relationship with my attraction but I am able to control my urges.

I don't know if it is a sexual orientation, a fetish or a mental illness but I would rather see people be helped instead of waiting to do something about it before trying to stop them.

Buona Fortuna · 24-11-2014 07:32PM

Its Only Ray Parlour wrote: »

Cement their vaginas shut.

That's creative but I don't think it would have any positive effects.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

TBH I have no answer for that.

Trouble is the chemical castration thing is inequitous.

You have a penis - bingo. Its almost the way laws work and maybe that penis wasn't material in the abuse. Unfortunately there are all sorts of things you can do without one,or without a functioning one.

I'm not making a plea for child abusers, I just think it needs more thought.

SparkySpitfire · 24-11-2014 07:35PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Is it a mental illness? Or is it just an abnormal sexual orientation? It may be something as fundamentally ingrained in their psyche as being hetero or homosexual.

I don't know either way though.

Calling it an illness implies it can be treated and possibly cured, if it's like the sexuality of hetero or homosexual then maybe it's not something that can be cured and is just a fundamental part of who they are, meaning they'll always be a danger no matter how much treatment they get.

I don't know how society can deal with a problem like that. Peadophiles won't want to put themselves forward for persecution, especially if treatment won't do anything but put them under constant scrutiny. But some form of ongoing treatment must surely be better than trying to control urges without some form of treatment.

Its in the DSM and the ICD as a mental disorder so yes.

Galwayguy35 · 24-11-2014 07:35PM

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

That's creative but I don't think it would have any positive effects.

Trouble is the chemical castration thing is inequitous.

You have a penis - bingo. Its almost the way laws work and maybe that penis wasn't material in the abuse. Unfortunately there are all sorts of things you can do without one,or without a functioning one.

I'm not making a plea for child abusers, I just think it needs more thought.

Well it could kill the urges in men, I'm not saying people should have it done against their will but if someone was serious about getting help they might consider it.

DoYouEvenLift · 24-11-2014 07:43PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Well it could kill the urges in men, I'm not saying people should have it done against their will but if someone was serious about getting help they might consider it.

So what about the urges of women? Male paedophiles get their balls cut and female paedophiles get...?

And what happens when the males experience all the negative side effects of having no testosterone?

Buona Fortuna · 24-11-2014 07:43PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Well it could kill the urges in men, I'm not saying people should have it done against their will but if someone was serious about getting help they might consider it.

OK, but it wouldn't stop the people that just produce the images, and all the other stuff that doesn't involve a penis.

Also I'm quite uncomfortable with the whole chemical castration thing - I don't know much about other than what I've read about Alan Turing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

Another poorly framed thought:o. Ever had too much to drink and not been able to ..... you've still had the urge to.

Galwayguy35 · 24-11-2014 07:48PM

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

So what about the urges of women? Male paedophiles get their balls cut and female paedophiles get...?

And what happens when the males experience all the negative side effects of having no testosterone?

As I said in post 18 I don't know about female paedophiles, also I wasn't suggesting people have it done against their will.

What negative affects?

Galwayguy35 · 24-11-2014 07:50PM

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

OK, but it wouldn't stop the people that just produce the images, and all the other stuff that doesn't involve a penis.

Also I'm quite uncomfortable with the whole chemical castration thing - I don't know much about other than what I've read about Alan Turing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

Another poorly framed thought:o. Ever had too much to drink and not been able to ..... you've still had the urge to.

Yeah brewers droop:p

floggg · 24-11-2014 08:10PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Chemical castration for those that seek help, might help stop the unnatural urges they have.

As for those that do abuse kids, lock em up for good, society doesn't need scum like that out and about.

Ignorant ridiculous nonsense.

Somebody who has never offended and voluntarily seeks help to ensure they never do shouldn't be punished in anyway.

Ignorant attitudes like this only serve to increase the risk of people offending, as they are too scared to come forward and seek help.

I don't know much about them but I believe there are treatments available which can be effective. It's probably a very under developed area due to the lack of willing participants.

floggg · 24-11-2014 08:13PM

seamus wrote: »

Possibly, though in my view I would argue that any state of mind where one would willingly harm oneself or another could/should be classed as a mental illness.

.

So being angry is a mental disorder then? Sheesh.

Galwayguy35 · 24-11-2014 08:17PM

floggg wrote: »

Ignorant ridiculous nonsense.

Somebody who has never offended and voluntarily seeks help to ensure they never do shouldn't be punished in anyway.

Ignorant attitudes like this only serve to increase the risk of people offending, as they are too scared to come forward and seek help.

I don't know much about them but I believe there are treatments available which can be effective. It's probably a very under developed area due to the lack of willing participants.

Did you even read the thread?

I didn't say people should be forced to do anything.

As for the bit I highlighted, bullsh1t statement.

DoYouEvenLift · 24-11-2014 08:17PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

As I said in post 18 I don't know about female paedophiles, also I wasn't suggesting people have it done against their will.

What negative affects?

If you're a man you should already know the effects of men having low testosterone so you can know what to lookout for yourself just in case you ever needed to go for medical help, but it can cause depression, decrease in motivation, decreased sense of well being, negative effects on memory and concentration, fragile bones. With no testosterone production I'd imagine these and the rest of the possible efects would be even worse.

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