Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

Hidalgo · 19-11-2014 05:28PM

BenEadir wrote: »

Sure but the problem is we can't outspend the clubs we're competing with. If they want him as much as we do they can match and (as Chelsea did with Willian and Salah if I'm not mistaken) they can also out spend us.

Or the business needs to be done quickly before other clubs show interest.
May or may not be true but Liverpool playing hardball a bit too hard delayed deals for Salah and Mikityran.

Harry Palmr · 19-11-2014 05:36PM

Playing hardball got Moreno for about 12 million rather than the 20 Seville wanted. Its a risk, swings and roundabouts.

martyos121 · 19-11-2014 05:39PM

Just gonna leave this here.

19-11-2014 05:42PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Playing hardball got Moreno for about 12 million rather than the 20 Seville wanted. Its a risk, swings and roundabouts.

Who else was prepared to pay 20m for him though?

Different scenarios to the other two

Francie Barrett · 19-11-2014 05:46PM

Here's a thought. There have been rumours that the owners have not been happy with Rodgers. With Sturridge out and a string of easy games ahead, if we don't get decent results, we could see Rodgers come under massive pressure. Would the owners consider sacking him over Christmas if our bad run extended until then?

Agent Coulson · 19-11-2014 05:49PM

For January..

Cavani is on the outs at PSG by all accounts Zlatan doesn't want him there and whatever Zlatan wants Zlatan gets a PSG.

I wouldn't mind going for Lavezzi at PSG he might not be the greatest goal scorer but he his the kind of wing forward we have been crying out for works hard puts in a shift and can hurt teams.

Hidalgo · 19-11-2014 05:49PM

joe123 wrote: »

Haha I knew this type of post would come along.

As Turtyturd said, there are varying levels of "what is world class"

Torres was leading the line for his national team and was off the back off a great tournament for Spain.

He was a huge talent and very like when City signed Aguero.

Mascherano along was Tevez was considered one of the best players to be coming out of South America. Remember the fuss that was kicked up when West Ham signed them two? Yeah I doubt youd be seeing that if West Ham signed Borini or Aspas when we did.

Suarez, another player playing regularly for his national side and was being touted as the player to watch in the 2010 world cup.

Any football fan with even the smallest bit of knowledge on the game knew how good these signings could be for us.

There is a world of difference in those type of signings and the types we are bringing in now.

Re Torres for Spain.
Whilst starting for Spain highlights his ability, the Spain Torres played in pre Liverpool is nowhere near what they went onto achieve.
Afaik Torres was involved in 2 major tournaments before Liverpool signed him.
Euro 2004 where Spain failed to make it out of the group and World Cup 2006 where they exited om the round of 16.

19-11-2014 05:50PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Here's a thought. There have been rumours that the owners have not been happy with Rodgers. With Sturridge out and a string of easy games ahead, if we don't get decent results, we could see Rodgers come under massive pressure. Would the owners consider sacking him over Christmas if our bad run extended until then?

Didn't see those rumours myself. Any links?

Agent Coulson · 19-11-2014 05:51PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Here's a thought. There have been rumours that the owners have not been happy with Rodgers. With Sturridge out and a string of easy games ahead, if we don't get decent results, we could see Rodgers come under massive pressure. Would the owners consider sacking him over Christmas if our bad run extended until then?

He will get to the summer one way or another and he deserves that.

I have been a critic of his this season and last to be fair but he deserves to get to the summer.

NukaCola · 19-11-2014 05:51PM

Augmerson wrote: »

Didn't he make the bench recently?

Didnt know he was good at carpentry. Multi talented!

SlickRic · 19-11-2014 05:52PM

Sturridge was never going to sort all our problems, but that is one massive blow tbh.

these next 2 months are as big a test of Rodgers credentials as he could ask for.

i hope he comes out the other side with us still in the hunt for top 4, i really do. as much as it looks like we didn't buy as well as we could, he couldn't have foreseen having Sturridge out for this long, which has only compounded the blow of losing Suarez.

losing the 2 biggest reasons for our push last year is tough.

but he needs to find a way out, otherwise the pressure will, right or wrongly, become very uncomfortable.

19-11-2014 05:53PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He will get to the summer one way or another and he deserves that.

I have been a critic of his this season and last to be fair but he deserves to get to the summer.

He definitely deserves until the summer.

Anyone saying otherwise is fickle to the max.

Francie Barrett · 19-11-2014 05:59PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Didn't see those rumours myself. Any links?

http://talksport.com/football/reports-fenway-sports-group-weigh-rodgers-liverpool-future-141115124706
http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2014/11/rodgers-piled-pressure/

A decent wedge of speculation it has to be said, but it seems to me maybe everything isn't rosy. You have Gerrard backing up Rodgers about a new contract, and vice versa - in the mean time, we've seen no movement on either's contract.

I am not saying that anyone is close to the door, but there is definitely some tension there, and a few more bad results will only make it worse.

Agent Coulson · 19-11-2014 06:03PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

http://talksport.com/football/reports-fenway-sports-group-weigh-rodgers-liverpool-future-141115124706
http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2014/11/rodgers-piled-pressure/

A decent wedge of speculation it has to be said, but it seems to me maybe everything isn't rosy. You have Gerrard backing up Rodgers about a new contract, and vice versa - in the mean time, we've seen no movement on either's contract.

I am not saying that anyone is close to the door, but there is definitely some tension there, and a few more bad results will only make it worse.

Rafa adding to that as well by making it know he will probably finish up in Italy at the end of the season and move back to Liverpool to his family doesn't help with those rumors either.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/369811.html

That just add more fuel to the speculation

Bandana boy · 19-11-2014 06:09PM

brevity wrote: »

If he plays again this season I'll be very surprised.
.

Whut ?

What insight have you got that this 6 week diagnosis to be fit is out by 20+ weeks !

brevity · 19-11-2014 06:11PM

Bandana boy wrote: »

Whut ?

What insight have you got that this 6 week diagnosis to be fit is out by 20+ weeks !

Just a hunch.

Bandana boy · 19-11-2014 06:12PM

brevity wrote: »

Just a hunch.

Hyperbolic panic, to me ,my friend

I would be very very very very suprised if he does not play again this season

Agent Coulson · 19-11-2014 06:13PM

Bandana boy wrote: »

Whut ?

What insight have you got that this 6 week diagnosis to be fit is out by 20+ weeks !

Well add that 6 weeks to the 8 he has already missed and he will probably pick up another knock (4/6 weeks) before the end of the season you are coming close to 20+ weeks to be fair.

The one we all know is he will pick up injuries.

8-10 · 19-11-2014 06:13PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

For January..

Cavani is on the outs at PSG by all accounts Zlatan doesn't want him there and whatever Zlatan wants Zlatan gets a PSG.

I wouldn't mind going for Lavezzi at PSG he might not be the greatest goal scorer but he his the kind of wing forward we have been crying out for works hard puts in a shift and can hurt teams.

Cavani, yes. Lavezzi, no thanks

Bandana boy · 19-11-2014 06:23PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Well add that 6 weeks to the 8 he has already missed and he will probably pick up another knock (4/6 weeks) before the end of the season you are coming close to 20+ weeks to be fair.

The one we all know is he will pick up injuries.

I am not going to try and predict that this injury will be Daniels last of the season ,nobody is that brave

Suggesting though that this injury will be replaced by another without him playing a minute of football between now and May is hysteria

Don’t get me wrong I want to yell at the sky and chicken little the situation as much as the next man. I think you can do that by suggesting our season could be over competitively before Daniel plays another minute , which without some brave/Smart/obvious decisions by Manager and players could well be the scenario .

Ahh the sky is falling in ,run for your lives !

Blatter · 19-11-2014 06:25PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Rafa adding to that as well by making it know he will probably finish up in Italy at the end of the season and move back to Liverpool to his family doesn't help with those rumors either.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/369811.html

That just add more fuel to the speculation

I can't see FSG touching Rafa with a barge pole tbh.

IMO there are two possibilities that Rodgers gets sacked in the forseeable. The first is if this season gets worse and turns into a complete disaster, ie. finishing in ~10th place + early exit from the CL. In that scenario he could well get the boot at the end of the season, although not guaranteed that he would.

The second possibility is if come this time next year and the club is still floundering in and around the position they're currently in, with no real signs of improvement. It would be inevitable that he'd go in that scenario.

He will obvioulsy be given every reasonable chance to turn things around, he has built up too much goodwill not to be afforded that. Besides, there are hardly an abundance of available and obvious upgrades around.

Francie Barrett · 19-11-2014 06:25PM

We won't be signing anyone, not after the pile of money we've spent, not with the squad full of dubs.

Agent Coulson · 19-11-2014 06:27PM

Bandana boy wrote: »

I am not going to try and predict that this injury will be Daniels last of the season ,nobody is that brave

Suggesting though that this injury will be replaced by another without him playing a minute of football between now and May is hysteria !

This injury has been picked up without playing a minute of football since his last injury.

The guy is a great footballer and we badly need him to be fit but his record of injuries is terrible and his record of picking them up is as good as his goal scoring when he is fit.

We know he will score goal and we also know he will pick up injuries.

Slattsy · 19-11-2014 06:29PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

We won't be signing anyone, not after the pile of money we've spent, not with the squad full of dubs.

Bit harsh on us Dubs.

NukaCola · 19-11-2014 06:34PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

We won't be signing anyone, not after the pile of money we've spent, not with the squad full of dubs.

Ah heyor!

Hidalgo · 19-11-2014 06:40PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Playing hardball got Moreno for about 12 million rather than the 20 Seville wanted. Its a risk, swings and roundabouts.

Thought 16m was Seville's asking price so the club saved 4m. Not a lot all tjing considered and for me the risks of that type of strategy outweigh the potential savings

Augmerson · 19-11-2014 07:55PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

We won't be signing anyone, not after the pile of money we've spent, not with the squad full of dubs.

In agreement. I can't see us signing anyone - we'd need at least 30-35m sterling to bring in someone decent. We certainly won't have that. Seeing as how some of the bigger fee signings like Marko have been poor, how does Rodgers justify it?

Turtyturd · 19-11-2014 07:59PM

Throw the committee under the bus, and get Gerrard to do the same.

mosstin · 19-11-2014 08:19PM

Augmerson wrote: »

In agreement. I can't see us signing anyone - we'd need at least 30-35m sterling to bring in someone decent. We certainly won't have that. Seeing as how some of the bigger fee signings like Marko have been poor, how does Rodgers justify it?

I think we will definitely be buying a striker in January. Sturridge always injured or never far from injury.
Borini who the manager didn't want to keep.
Mario who the manager bought because - ridiculously - we seemed to run out of time/didn't have an alternative.
Lambert - clearly not doing what Rodgers thought he would do. From that 4, only one - Sturridge - seems to have the manager's faith and he's the one least likely to be playing.
We have to buy a striker in January.

5live · 19-11-2014 08:30PM

mosstin wrote: »

I think we will definitely be buying a striker in January. Sturridge always injured or never far from injury.
Borini who the manager didn't want to keep.
Mario who the manager bought because - ridiculously - we seemed to run out of time/didn't have an alternative.
Lambert - clearly not doing what Rodgers thought he would do. From that 4, only one - Sturridge - seems to have the manager's faith and he's the one least likely to be playing.
We have to buy a striker in January.

No, we NEED to buy a striker, not have to.

It would be a serious blow to Rodgers stature in FSG eyes to have to look at spending a fair chunk of next years transfer budget on a player for a position we had purchased 2 players to play in already, Balotelli and Lambert.

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