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Would you snitch on a dole cheat?

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  • #32
    doc11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭doc11


    mariaalice wrote: »
    They would have almost been as well off living together and calming family income supplement so they were more stupid that anything else.

    She can claim it herself and it's the same limit for a couple as a lone parent so she's definitely better not including him.


  • #33
    doc11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭doc11


    Trigger Happy wrote: »
    In 2013 33% of the governments total revenue was spent on welfare.
    So 33% of all the taxes I pay goes on welfare. If they can minimise fraud it increases the chances of tax cuts in the future.

    A lot of that is not means tested, a pensioner gets a contributory pension regardless of assets


  • #34
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    doc11 wrote: »
    She can claim it herself and it's the same limit for a couple as a lone parent so she's definitely better not including him.

    Yes but its not a huge amount and I was responding to a poster who added ...that woman's children were going to be future delinquents, the poster doesn't know what is going to happen in the future and its an irrelevant point.


  • #35
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    doc11 wrote: »
    A lot of that is not means tested, a pensioner gets a contributory pension regardless of assets

    Of course, but the fact remains that 33% of the governments income goes on welfare. So it should be in all our interests to get that figure down by minimising welfare fraud which would hopefully lead to less borrowings and lower taxes.


  • #36
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,906 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    jimgoose wrote: »
    What do we mean exactly by a "dole cheat"? Some poor skin who does a couple of days work per week off the books so he can have a few pints Saturday night? No, I'd count my considerable blessings and keep my fool mouth shut.

    The epitome of a dole cheat.


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  • #37
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    The epitome of a dole cheat.

    That's not cheating, it's called showing initiative, and it built half the houses west of the Shannon before the tiger era.


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The people who brought in the "Never snitch" mentality are the scummies that screw the rest of us anyway and get away with it.


  • #39
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,906 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    That's not cheating, it's called showing initiative, and it built half the houses west of the Shannon before the tiger era.

    Claiming dole + working without informing sw is cheating no matter what romantic spin you attempt to put on it.


  • #40
    Roquentin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    keano_afc wrote: »
    Some advice then, please.

    Friend of my sister in law, living with her partner. They have 3 kids together. She claims single mothers. My brother told me recently the social called over to the house not so long ago and he had to escape via the back door. She thinks nothing of posting pics on Facebook of all the things she buys the kids. The sitting room last Christmas was unreal, you literally could not see the floor for all the presents. He has a pretty decent job, so they're doing pretty well.

    I'm having a hard time not reporting them. She is a very good friend of my brothers wife, but I'm having a hard time not picking the phone up. Report or ignore?

    id report them even if it was my brother.....then again i am heartless


  • #41
    Sheep Lover
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Sheep Lover


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Claiming dole + working without informing sw is cheating no matter what romantic spin you attempt to put on it.

    Would you report such a person to the relevant authorities?


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  • #42
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,906 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Sheep Lover wrote: »
    Would you report such a person to the relevant authorities?

    In a heartbeat.


  • #43
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Vincent Vega wrote: »
    I'd sooner report a 'dole cheat' thread starter. :pac:

    Dole threads are so frequent & predictable I wish the mods would just one a sticky at this point.

    Maybe kill a few birds with one stone with a 'Them wasters on the dole, Travellers and other undesirables' thread or something similar.

    Except I'm not demonizing dole recipients - I'm on a jobsbridge myself, and therefore in reciept of State money.

    I'm asking would you report someone defrauding the State


  • #44
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Claiming dole + working without informing sw is cheating no matter what romantic spin you attempt to put on it.
    A right wheen of people around here signed and worked in the North in the 80s and 90s. I think they were doing the country a massive service (they had to spend their wages as they got them) and laid the foundation for the modern globally competitive state we live in today. They should be applauded.


  • #45
    ireland.man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    Whatever the benefits to the exchequer, it's usually spiteful, passive aggressive personalities who make quiet phonecalls to report on their neighbours and friends.

    When I picture someone reporting a dole cheat I don't imagine a person contemplating the ethical and practical ramifications of this action and whether the benefits to the government and indirectly all workers justifies it. Instead I picture a jealous, nosy, unpleasant person looking to find enjoyment from another person's troubles.


  • #46
    Irishcrx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Irishcrx


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Except I'm not demonizing dole recipients - I'm on a jobsbridge myself, and therefore in reciept of State money.

    I'm asking would you report someone defrauding the State

    To be fair, and I'm not trying to be the typical it's the governments fault here but they are the worst offenders for de-frauding the state , pot calling the kettle black!

    I'd have a hard time making a call on someone who's working off the books a few hours a week while Enda and his cronies are sitting pretty on a 5 course lunch with a bit of golf which we also pay for...

    One is a criminal and should be done , sent to jail , dole cheats - animals.

    It's kind of like going to the Doctor back in the day and them telling you how bad smoking is while they blow it in your face..


  • #47
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,906 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    A right wheen of people around here signed and worked in the North in the 80s and 90s. I think they were doing the country a massive service (they had to spend their wages as they got them) and laid the foundation for the modern globally competitive state we live in today. They should be applauded.

    Yet they are for all intents and purpose dole cheats right?


  • #48
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Irishcrx wrote: »
    To be fair, and I'm not trying to be the typical it's the governments fault here but they are the worst offenders for de-frauding the state , pot calling the kettle black!

    I'd have a hard time making a call on someone who's working off the books a few hours a week while Enda and his cronies are sitting pretty on a 5 course lunch with a bit of golf which we also pay for...

    One is a criminal and should be done , sent to jail , dole cheats - animals.

    It's kind of like going to the Doctor back in the day and them telling you how bad smoking is while they blow it in your face..

    Presumably he pays for his own golf?

    Anyway, 2 wrongs don't make a right do they?


  • #49
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 680 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ireland.man wrote: »
    Whatever the benefits to the exchequer, it's usually spiteful, passive aggressive personalities who make quiet phonecalls to report on their neighbours and friends.

    When I picture someone reporting a dole cheat I don't imagine a person contemplating the ethical and practical ramifications of this action and whether the benefits to the government and indirectly all workers justifies it. Instead I picture a jealous, nosy, unpleasant person looking to find enjoyment from another person's troubles.

    Do you imagine dole cheats contemplate the ethical ramifications of defrauding the state, their neighbours & friends?


  • #50
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Do you imagine dole cheats contemplate the ethical ramifications of defrauding the state, their neighbours & friends?

    No, they probably just want more money.


  • #51
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    I mind my own business, but not impressed and not the lifestyle I'd like


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  • #52
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    The vast majority of SW is Pensions and Child Benefit


  • #53
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, I dont defraud the state but I'm sure none of us are 100% squeaky clean.


  • #54
    youtube!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭youtube!


    I probably wouldn't because I reckon in this day and age with the technology available and with the FOI act etc, well I wouldn't be so sure that the person being reported on wouldn't find out who snitched, data bases can be compromised, I wouldn't trust the dept to open an envelope never mind keeping my details secure! The only way is to make sure you are 100% anonymous but is that 100% possible? I am not so sure...

    Aside from that I wouldn't anyway because I think it's the dept job to carry out proper inspections in the first place. I certainly do not condone it but it's not always black and white...


  • #55
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Yet they are for all intents and purpose dole cheats right?

    Entrepreneurial ones, yes.


  • #56
    jaymcg91
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jaymcg91


    I don't approve or agree of fraud of any type, but karma can be a bitch.

    My advice is generally mind your own business. Most people would be far better off spending time looking at themselves rather than other people :P.


  • #57
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Jaysus these injury lawyers are a bigger scourge if you ask me. 3 on the ads 2 payday loans and one begging one


  • #58
    oceanman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭oceanman


    don't think I could ever do it, the thoughts of anyone ever finding out you were a grass....no thanks


  • #59
    ireland.man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Do you imagine dole cheats contemplate the ethical ramifications of defrauding the state, their neighbours & friends?

    It's not important what 'dole cheats' contemplate since we agree what they do is wrong. I'm only laughing at the justifications being peddled out by those who would report dole cheats when in actuality people who do the reporting are more likely to be the unpleasant types who enjoy other people's bad luck and troubles, and only accidentally end up doing a 'good deed'!


  • #60
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Not unless they were a ****, or I was feeling cunty


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  • #61
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ireland.man wrote: »
    Whatever the benefits to the exchequer, it's usually spiteful, passive aggressive personalities who make quiet phonecalls to report on their neighbours and friends.

    When I picture someone reporting a dole cheat I don't imagine a person contemplating the ethical and practical ramifications of this action and whether the benefits to the government and indirectly all workers justifies it. Instead I picture a jealous, nosy, unpleasant person looking to find enjoyment from another person's troubles.

    I see it like that as well, but that does not make it right to claim welfare when not entitled to it.

    A lot of those living with the partner and lone parent are nonsense in the present day its got a lot more strict, they can check and do check what car is outside ect.


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