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Would you snitch on a dole cheat?

  • 18-11-2014 03:50PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭


    Apparently there has been a huge increase in the amount of people reporting dole fraud to the department of social protection in the last year (don't have the source, just heard a segment on the radio about it).

    So would you do it? Have you ever done it? Would you be hesitant to do it? Interested in the AH consensus here.

    For my part, I don't know. I'd want to be pretty damn sure someone was taking the piss before reporting them.


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  • Posts: 680 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Absolutely, benefit & insurence fraud are 2 of my big bug bearers. I wouldn't hesitate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,835 ✭✭✭✭cloud493


    Yes, why wouldn't I?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    Without batting an eye lid - yes. Sick of paying high income taxes and vat, property charges etc...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Tilikum


    No. I'm not a rat agent Kujan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,200 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    What do we mean exactly by a "dole cheat"? Some poor skin who does a couple of days work per week off the books so he can have a few pints Saturday night? No, I'd count my considerable blessings and keep my fool mouth shut.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭pauliebdub


    Depends who it was:

    A friend or relative that i cared about - no

    Neighbour or someone i didnt like - yes.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    I'd want to be pretty damn sure someone was taking the piss before reporting them.

    Why would you feel the need to be certain before reporting them? It's not as if they will convict them based solely on an anonymous tip off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Some advice then, please.

    Friend of my sister in law, living with her partner. They have 3 kids together. She claims single mothers. My brother told me recently the social called over to the house not so long ago and he had to escape via the back door. She thinks nothing of posting pics on Facebook of all the things she buys the kids. The sitting room last Christmas was unreal, you literally could not see the floor for all the presents. He has a pretty decent job, so they're doing pretty well.

    I'm having a hard time not reporting them. She is a very good friend of my brothers wife, but I'm having a hard time not picking the phone up. Report or ignore?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Meathlass


    jimgoose wrote: »
    What do we mean exactly by a "dole cheat"? Some poor skin who does a couple of days work per week off the books so he can have a few pints Saturday night? No, I'd count my considerable blessings and keep my fool mouth shut.

    Yes, that person in your description is a dole cheat. A couple of days work @ 8.65 an hour into the hand is €121 a week. I would have absolutely no hesitation in making a report.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭pauliebdub


    Id go ahead and report them if they are not good friends of yours. This can be done anonymously as far as i know. Your brother and his wife would be none the wiser.
    keano_afc wrote: »
    Some advice then, please.

    Friend of my sister in law, living with her partner. They have 3 kids together. She claims single mothers. My brother told me recently the social called over to the house not so long ago and he had to escape via the back door. She thinks nothing of posting pics on Facebook of all the things she buys the kids. The sitting room last Christmas was unreal, you literally could not see the floor for all the presents. He has a pretty decent job, so they're doing pretty well.

    I'm having a hard time not reporting them. She is a very good friend of my brothers wife, but I'm having a hard time not picking the phone up. Report or ignore?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Nidgeweasel


    No. But then again I'm not a snivelling grass/tout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Meathlass


    keano_afc wrote: »
    Some advice then, please.

    Friend of my sister in law, living with her partner. They have 3 kids together. She claims single mothers. My brother told me recently the social called over to the house not so long ago and he had to escape via the back door. She thinks nothing of posting pics on Facebook of all the things she buys the kids. The sitting room last Christmas was unreal, you literally could not see the floor for all the presents. He has a pretty decent job, so they're doing pretty well.

    I'm having a hard time not reporting them. She is a very good friend of my brothers wife, but I'm having a hard time not picking the phone up. Report or ignore?

    I'd report them. As well as getting loan parents, they're also getting medical cards and subsidised rent. Sure we'd all be doing pretty well if we could work and claim social welfare at the same time.

    If the social have already visited then someone else may also have reported them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭LeNNoX


    I agree with jimgoose - not for people who are just getting by and doing a few extra hours.

    keano_afc, be sure you have all your facts right before you report them.

    I would advise not to tell anybody that you reported them (if you do), as you don't want it coming back to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,200 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    keano_afc wrote: »
    ...I'm having a hard time not reporting them. She is a very good friend of my brothers wife, but I'm having a hard time not picking the phone up. Report or ignore?
    If I were you I'd stay out of it. There tends to be no dividend in these things.
    Meathlass wrote: »
    Yes, that person in your description is a dole cheat. A couple of days work @ 8.65 an hour into the hand is €121 a week. I would have absolutely no hesitation in making a report.

    Everyone, particularly the extremely wealthy, does very nicely for themselves out of the public coffers. Some welfare schemes have very respectable names like Section 50 tax relief, and what-not. People on the bottom nibbling at the edge of the pie have a minimal effect, but I suppose they're useful for keeping us all watching and sniping at each other, so job jobbed.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 489 ✭✭Sclosages


    I did - don't know what the outcome was. Typical set-up that gives single parents a bad name

    Her: Working 19 hours a week in Tescos - getting wages from that - at a conservative estimate €190 per week (tax free allowance for two childer and herself would mean she wouldn't pay tax)
    Her: Claiming single parents for 2 kiddos - 250 per week (minus the 19 hours - maybe 100 per week Lone Parents?)
    Her: Council house - paying 35 per week rent
    Her: Children's allowance for the pair of future delinquents - 270 per month, so another 60 odd per week
    Him: Claiming dole from his parents address, living with her. 186 per week

    They were fairly creaming it alright. €600 a week income, rent €35 per week. Lovely hurlin!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭Volvoair


    struggling family with young kids, hard times, battered ould car....NO.
    smarmy ***** living the high life,definelty YES.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Ranchu


    Snitches get stitches.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭AboutaWeekAgo


    Meathlass wrote: »
    Yes, that person in your description is a dole cheat. A couple of days work @ 8.65 an hour into the hand is €121 a week. I would have absolutely no hesitation in making a report.

    Living the big life on 300 a week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭TheBeardedLady


    Depends. I think realistically though, I wouldn't report and I can't justify why I wouldn't tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    "Put an Irishman on the spit and you can always get another Irishman to turn him." GB Shaw.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    I would without hesitation....my pet peeve is people defrauding and milking the system.

    This self entitled mentality that so many people display in this country drives me mad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Living the big life on 300 a week.

    Ah its only a few bob, sure we should all go ahead and do the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Vincent Vega


    I'd sooner report a 'dole cheat' thread starter. :pac:

    Dole threads are so frequent & predictable I wish the mods would just one a sticky at this point.

    Maybe kill a few birds with one stone with a 'Them wasters on the dole, Travellers and other undesirables' thread or something similar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Apparently there has been a huge increase in the amount of people reporting dole fraud to the department of social protection in the last year (don't have the source, just heard a segment on the radio about it).

    So would you do it? Have you ever done it? Would you be hesitant to do it? Interested in the AH consensus here.

    For my part, I don't know. I'd want to be pretty damn sure someone was taking the piss before reporting them.

    Straight away no hesitation. Dole cheats are the scum of the Earth, bottom feeding parasites.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    I'm snitching on suspects from this thread as we speak! :mad:


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sclosages wrote: »
    I did - don't know what the outcome was. Typical set-up that gives single parents a bad name

    Her: Working 19 hours a week in Tescos - getting wages from that - at a conservative estimate €190 per week (tax free allowance for two childer and herself would mean she wouldn't pay tax)
    Her: Claiming single parents for 2 kiddos - 250 per week (minus the 19 hours - maybe 100 per week Lone Parents?)
    Her: Council house - paying 35 per week rent
    Her: Children's allowance for the pair of future delinquents - 270 per month, so another 60 odd per week
    Him: Claiming dole from his parents address, living with her. 186 per week

    They were fairly creaming it alright. €600 a week income, rent €35 per week. Lovely hurlin!

    They would have almost been as well off living together and calming family income supplement so they were more stupid that anything else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Working and signing, no. Wouldn't have any sympathy for them getting caught, but at least they are being productive.

    Signing under different names or something like that, absolutely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Summer wind


    I couldn't be arsed to be honest. Why should I do the governments job for them. I live my own life and let others get on with theirs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭heldel00


    I honestly don't know how they do it! Different breed of people!
    Few years ago, when I first moved out of home, I had no TV licence and was constantly afraid to answer the door in the evenings and skulking around the place like a real crim!
    When I moved into my new house I went and got one as soon as I moved in because I hated feeling like that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    In 2013 33% of the governments total revenue was spent on welfare.
    So 33% of all the taxes I pay goes on welfare. If they can minimise fraud it increases the chances of tax cuts in the future.


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