Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

daithijjj · 13-11-2014 11:43PM

Paying extra to Lille!!? How much would that be?.

Balotelli! :cool:

Our 2nd best option up front (Borini imo) we did our best to push out!

Forget Lambert, he was brought in to carry a load during a long season, not to start.

If everyone was honest we could only describe our attempt to replace what we lost as shambolic. The continual mystery and mechanics of how we do things doesnt seem to have changed since the summer we didnt sign Sturridge.

Remember when Ian Ayre said we got lucky when we decided to go without Sturridge and then rubber stamp it hours into the following transfer window?.

As it happens we are actually blessed he decided to come to us they way we 'grind'.

Except this time, we didnt get lucky, did we, we monumentally fked up actually.

The penny pinching resulted in signing 'the best we could have got', an outcast. And now we could end up paying more for a player who, in essence, we already own.

Well done team, nailed it!!

Augmerson · 13-11-2014 11:50PM

Lille would love Mario but no ****ing way is that going to happen.

dogbert27 · 13-11-2014 11:53PM

No Premier or Champions League make everyone here go something something.....

Turtyturd · 13-11-2014 11:53PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Well he'll certainly see more of the ball if he can join, at Lille he is feeding off scraps.

Depends on who wants to bring him back...if it's the transfer committee he probably won't even see much game time.

Agent Coulson · 13-11-2014 11:55PM

Looks like he is ready to go as well.

In French.

Charlie19 · 14-11-2014 04:00AM

In the long run it be probably better for Origi to stay with Lille and continue his development.
If Sturridge regains his fitness and plays even 3/4s of our remaining games, I can't see origi getting a look in.

Augmerson · 14-11-2014 09:14AM

Charlie19 wrote: »

In the long run it be probably better for Origi to stay with Lille and continue his development.
If Sturridge regains his fitness and plays even 3/4s of our remaining games, I can't see origi getting a look in.

So what's the story with next season when we have Sturridge and presumably still have Mario and Lambear on the books? How much of a look will he get then?

(Left out Borini out of the equation because I think he'll be sold, possibly by January)

BenEadir · 14-11-2014 09:34AM

Augmerson wrote: »

So what's the story with next season when we have Sturridge and presumably still have Mario and Lambear on the books? How much of a look will he get then?

(Left out Borini out of the equation because I think he'll be sold, possibly by January)

Next Season it will be

1. Sturridge
2. Mario
3. Origi
4. Lambo.

Sturridge and Mario (assuming they click once Sturrdige is back) should be the #1 pair. Origi will be used to replace Sturridge after X minutes or to rest Sturridge, Cap One games etc and as cover for Sturridge injuries.

Lambo is very much an off the bench when we are in Hail Mary territory in the last 10-15 minutes.

Borini, much as I like his attitude and industry is likely to go back to Italy at a big discount to the €14m Sunderland were prepared to pay for him in the summer.

Only amendment to the above might be Borini out and Origi in over Xmas if Lille will play ball.

MD1990 · 14-11-2014 09:51AM

Origi can play Left & Right Wing as well. I don't see Lambert being at Liverpool next season.

Dickerty · 14-11-2014 10:01AM

BenEadir wrote: »

Sturridge and Mario (assuming they click once Sturrdige is back) should be the #1 pair. Origi will be used to replace Sturridge after X minutes or to rest Sturridge, Cap One games etc and as cover for Sturridge injuries.

I can see it being Studge and Origi very often. Origi is clearing Berndan's man (he talks him up so much), so once he is delivering, he'll start him and try to develop their partnership...

noodler · 14-11-2014 10:01AM

BenEadir wrote: »

Next Season it will be

1. Sturridge
2. Mario
3. Origi
4. Lambo.

Sturridge and Mario (assuming they click once Sturrdige is back) should be the #1 pair. Origi will be used to replace Sturridge after X minutes or to rest Sturridge, Cap One games etc and as cover for Sturridge injuries.

Lambo is very much an off the bench when we are in Hail Mary territory in the last 10-15 minutes.

Borini, much as I like his attitude and industry is likely to go back to Italy at a big discount to the €14m Sunderland were prepared to pay for him in the summer.

Only amendment to the above might be Borini out and Origi in over Xmas if Lille will play ball.

I would be shocked if we are still stuck with Mario next season.

NukaCola · 14-11-2014 10:11AM

noodler wrote: »

I would be shocked if we are still stuck with Mario next season.

I'm guessing it'll be down to how well he plays in a position more suited to him up top with Sturridge.

He hasn't been good enough and he has missed a few sitters which really have little to do with him being a "lone" striker but I still have some hope that he will become decent for us. A fine 3rd option IMO.

Still need a quality forward, Origi is still too raw to depend on for goals.

Agent Coulson · 14-11-2014 10:18AM

We need to find a mid to late 20's proven striker on the European level either in January or next Summer.

Sturridge & Origi to go with that striker with either Balotelli or Lambert staying on.

brevity · 14-11-2014 10:21AM

noodler wrote: »

I would be shocked if we are still stuck with Mario next season.

I kinda would be too but I do think he should stay. He's still a talented player, he just needs to start with another striker.

looder · 14-11-2014 10:36AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

We need to find a mid to late 20's proven striker on the European level either in January or next Summer.

Sturridge & Origi to go with that striker with either Balotelli or Lambert staying on.

Somebody like Balotelli, you mean?

Mid 20s, proven at a few top clubs and very cheap compared to other strikers, in the same price bracket.

Harry Palmr · 14-11-2014 10:41AM

Dickerty wrote: »

I can see it being Studge and Origi very often. Origi is clearing Berndan's man (he talks him up so much), so once he is delivering, he'll start him and try to develop their partnership...

Apart from the fact Liverpool have been in contact with him since he was 15

As for next season - Sturridge/Origi/Reus(!)/Lambert is most likely unless the return of Studge unleashes Balotelli but I'm not holding my breath.

Agent Coulson · 14-11-2014 10:44AM

looder wrote: »

Somebody like Balotelli, you mean?

Mid 20s, proven at a few top clubs and very cheap compared to other strikers, in the same price bracket.

We already have Balotelli at the club we need another one as well.

The one thing we can be sure of is Sturridge is going to pick up injuries every season the will knock him out for a lot of games.

Now we do have a striker in his mid 20's who has done it for top clubs but for some reason the manager doesn't play to his strenghts or the strenghts of any of his fit strikers for that matter.

Jackson Martinez who we have been linked with is a striker who could play on his own up front but my worry if we brought him in the manager would stick him on the wing or something crazy like that.

noodler · 14-11-2014 10:52AM

looder wrote: »

Somebody like Balotelli, you mean?

Mid 20s, proven at a few top clubs and very cheap compared to other strikers, in the same price bracket.

I disagree that Mario is proven.

He has failed at his last two clubs and is failing with us.

Two goals against Germany in Euro 2012 notwithstanding.

klose · 14-11-2014 10:54AM

noodler wrote: »

I disagree that Mario is proven.

He has failed at his last two clubs and is failing with us.

Two goals against Germany in Euro 2012 notwithstanding.

26 goals in 43 games with Milan is failing? Lofty standards for strikers these days so.

joe123 · 14-11-2014 11:00AM

The thing with Mario in my opinion is that people think he is a better than he actually is. Don't get me wrong, though, I do think hes a good player when played to his strengths.

I am convinced he will show more when Sturridge is along side him.

Borini however, a willing runner yes, but listening to some on here, you would swear Rodgers is leaving Messi on the bench week in week out.

The fact is, Borini and Lambert are nowhere near good enough for a team wanting to challenge for top 4 / titles.

Bowlardo · 14-11-2014 11:04AM

joe123 wrote: »

The thing with Mario in my opinion is that people think he is a better than he actually is. Don't get me wrong, though, I do think hes a good player when played to his strengths.

I am convinced he will show more when Sturridge is along side him.

Borini however, a willing runner yes, but listening to some on here, you would swear Rodgers is leaving Messi on the bench week in week out.

The fact is, Borini and Lambert are nowhere near good enough for a team wanting to challenge for top 4 / titles.

If origi is coming next year would it not have been better to get a stop gap ETO in for the one year. ETO quality finisher. Too old to play all he time but could have backed up up sturridge

noodler · 14-11-2014 11:06AM

klose wrote: »

26 goals in 43 games with Milan is failing? Lofty standards for strikers these days so.

How many penalties?

I am almost certain somebody here said it was half or more a while back.

So in Liverpool terms, with Gerrard taking the penalties, it'd be more like 13 in 43.

Of course, if that were the case then we would be a bit happier than we are now but alas no.

EDIT:

http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/08/mario-balotelli-at-ac-milan-hype-vs-reality/

Apparently he scored 30 goals for Milan in 54 games in all comps which sounds good. But minus 10 penalties and 5 free kicks and it is only 15 in 54 games. It is mean of me to exclude the free-kicks but I don't see him taking many for Liverpool.

Gbear · 14-11-2014 11:17AM

noodler wrote: »

Apparently he scored 30 goals for Milan in 54 games in all comps which sounds good. But minus 10 penalties and 5 free kicks and it is only 15 in 54 games. It is mean of me to exclude the free-kicks but I don't see him taking many for Liverpool.

If he's good at them he should take them. His strike rate is more important than the total number of goals he's scored. So long as it's better than what we have he should be first in the queue.

Suarez was a huge loss in this regard. Gerrard's the only one of note left.

It should also be noted that we have better players than Milan for the most part, he often didn't get to play in an ideal formation there either but also, scoring in a weak Italian league isn't the same as doing so in the Premier League.

Really, we have to play to his strengths and determine from that whether he'll be a success here. What happened before is largely irrelevant.

Torres wasn't much of a goalscorer for Atletico, Sturridge couldn't get into a Chelsea team with limited attacking options, Gerrard made a huge jump in goals scored when he was nominally moved out to the right.
Players can have very different outputs in different systems.

BenEadir · 14-11-2014 11:22AM

noodler wrote: »

I would be shocked if we are still stuck with Mario next season.

If he starts to develop an effective partnership with Sturridge then why not? If he plays 10 games with Sturridge and is still playing the way he's currently playing (out of sync with the rest of the team, not pressing etc) then I agree 100%, time to move him onto an Italian team where his mode of play is accepted.

Dickerty · 14-11-2014 11:35AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Apart from the fact Liverpool have been in contact with him since he was 15

I am sure our scouting network (part of which used to be City's scouting network) have been watching lost of players since they were 15. But you can be sure that this is Rodger's type of signing - dynamic, flexible positionally, confident in his ability...

willowthewisp · 14-11-2014 11:51AM

daithijjj wrote: »

Paying extra to Lille!!? How much would that be?.

Balotelli! :cool:

Our 2nd best option up front (Borini imo) we did our best to push out!

Forget Lambert, he was brought in to carry a load during a long season, not to start.

If everyone was honest we could only describe our attempt to replace what we lost as shambolic. The continual mystery and mechanics of how we do things doesnt seem to have changed since the summer we didnt sign Sturridge.

Remember when Ian Ayre said we got lucky when we decided to go without Sturridge and then rubber stamp it hours into the following transfer window?.

As it happens we are actually blessed he decided to come to us they way we 'grind'.

Except this time, we didnt get lucky, did we, we monumentally fked up actually.

The penny pinching resulted in signing 'the best we could have got', an outcast. And now we could end up paying more for a player who, in essence, we already own.

Well done team, nailed it!!

All true, but at this stage I wouldnt worry too much about paying an extra few quid to secure Origi in January. Id rather have the extra option.

14-11-2014 12:59PM

Origi has 9 league goals in 50 apps in an inferior league.

I'd leave him where he is tbh and let him development.

What if comes in and doesn't add anything? It'll kill his confidence. Look to Markovic as an example, afraid of the ball and already classed as a dud by some.

Go and buy some proven quality ffs.

I hope there's no truth in this story

Gbear · 14-11-2014 01:02PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Origi has 9 league goals in 50 apps in an inferior league.

I'd leave him where he is tbh and let him development.

What if comes in and doesn't add anything? It'll kill his confidence. Look to Markovic as an example, afraid of the ball and already classed as a dud by some.

Go and buy some proven quality ffs.

I hope there's no truth in this story

But we'll already be the champions elect after Sturridge comes back and we win our next 10 games 14-0 so he'll be under no pressure at all.

Francie Barrett · 14-11-2014 01:05PM

Gbear wrote: »

But we'll already be the champions elect after Sturridge comes back and we win our next 10 games 14-0 so he'll be under no pressure at all.

To bring back Origi with Sturridge would just end up humiliating the other teams in the league.

Harry Palmr · 14-11-2014 01:08PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Origi has 9 league goals in 50 apps in an inferior league.

I'd leave him where he is tbh and let him development.

What if comes in and doesn't add anything? It'll kill his confidence. Look to Markovic as an example, afraid of the ball and already classed as a dud by some.

Go and buy some proven quality ffs.

I hope there's no truth in this story

Have you seen Lille? They way they are set up means his development is really only likely to be stunted, this guy can hold his own for Belgium. The only danger is that he is brought back and isn't used enough.

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