Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

Yay Sturridge is back to gloss over our essentially right now polished turd of a team

rarnes1 wrote: »

He isn't world class or any where near it.

Overpriced and past his best is what he is.

You'd need to really build your team around him to make him effective and Rodgers certainly wouldn't be doing that even if by some miracle the transfer was an actual possibility which it's not.

I thought liverpool fans most of all would know now not to base things on one season, which you must be doing to come to that bizarre assessment

Over the past 3 seasons he is at the very least amongst the top few, arguably the best performing over that space of time

Will I Amnt wrote: »

How many Liverpool players have scored more league goals than Juan 'part-time' Mata this season?

Clue:

never mind the clue, the answer is none, nada, zilch.

Shane Long would be our 2nd highest scorer and he's not world class either.

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I'm not surprised but intrigued that some people would seemingly turn their nose up at signing Mata if it was a possibility.

He's an odd one alright in that he's probably playing his worst football since joining United but has an approx goal every 3 games, whereas he was consistently 1 in 4 throughout his career.

While Mata would be great and all that, Liverpool have far greater issues to fix.
If it was Mata or a striker (one that can score with some degree of regularity) or a DM then Mata would be 3rd of those 3 choices for me.

That's not a slight on the player or his ability btw

pmy.murphy wrote: »

Its like buying a new fridge when really you need a new washing machine and Im sure thats not going to change for us in January. Brendan is going to sign players we dont need if he does sign anyone and keep turning a blind eye to the holding midfield player we so badly need

Or wanting a sofa and getting a lamp. This has never happened before.

rarnes1 wrote: »

Not bizzare at all.

You need to base your team around him. Ask Mourinho. Not even sure does Van Gaal fully trust him. World class certainly loosely thrown around.

Liverpool won't be signing him anyway!

Swiftly moving on from what I said I see

I'd like to know how Suarez can be world class but Mata can't, yet Suarez has a goal just over every two games in the premier league, and Mata has one in three, Mata has far better assists and creation numbers too. One is a striker, one isn't.

Put it this way, if Sterling scored 30 goals and over 40 assists in the last 3 seasons every single Liverpool supporter would be calling him world class, there is no doubt about it

Comparisons would be made with Zidane and he would be given the key to the city too I'm sure.

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Swiftly moving on from what I said I see

I'd like to know how Suarez can be world class but Mata can't, yet Suarez has a goal just over every two games in the premier league, and Mata has one in three, Mata has far better assists and creation numbers too. One is a striker, one isn't.

Put it this way, if Sterling scored 30 goals and over 40 assists in the last 3 seasons every single Liverpool supporter would be calling him world class, there is no doubt about it

Comparisons would be made with Zidane and he would be given the key to the city too I'm sure.

Simples. One plays at Barcelona and the other sits on the bench at United.

Serious deflecting as usual, not sure what any of the above has to do with the simple point that from both their time in the premier league Mata's stats match up with Suarez's yet one can be world class and one isn't for the simple reason that one played for Liverpool and one plays for United

By that metric Gerrard was never world class because he never played for one of the worlds best teams

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Serious deflecting as usual, not sure what any of the above has to do with the simple point that from both their time in the premier league Mata's stats match up with Suarez's yet one can be world class and one isn't for the simple reason that one played for Liverpool and one plays for United

By that metric Gerrard was never world class because he never played for one of the worlds best teams

You always mention stats in any argument like if a player has better stats it makes him a better player. Anyone who regulary watches Mata & Suarez will tell you Suarez is much the better player. Mata can't even make the Spain squad with both Silva & Fabregas injured.

MD1990 wrote: »

You always mention stats in any argument like if a player has better stats it makes him a better player. Anyone who regulary watches Mata & Suarez will tell you Suarez is much the better player. Mata can't even make the Spain squad with both Silva & Fabregas injured.

Goals and assists are kind of important in football, they aren't a bonafide measure of how good a player is but they help

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Serious deflecting as usual, not sure what any of the above has to do with the simple point that from both their time in the premier league Mata's stats match up with Suarez's yet one can be world class and one isn't for the simple reason that one played for Liverpool and one plays for United

By that metric Gerrard was never world class because he never played for one of the worlds best teams

From 2004 to 2011 Liverpool were ranked in the top 5 European clubs, reaching two finals, winning once and also reaching two other semi-finals. I will be accused of bias but that's some record in fairness. Domestically we didn't always challenge but on a European/world stage, we were right up there.