Price Changes FPL 14/15 **Mod warning 1st post**

Ziegler1988 wrote: »

I've had Baines and two Saints defenders for the last three weeks . Aguero was also only on 25% ownership overall; 50% of the top 10k this past GW had Baines, which is a better barometer.

But you didn't have Sanchez, and apparently 77% of the top 10k have him...;)

Swings and roundabouts, you can have costa/Aguero/Baines/Sanchez/Hazard/Fab all in one team, but the rest of you team mightn't be up to much - it's all about balance at the end of the day.

Lemlin wrote: »

No, he's not. I've finished inside the top 12k the last four seasons in a row and have never had him for any noticeable period of time any year.

He is generally one of the top scoring defenders (I think players like Kompany or Coleman beat him some years) but he's usually highly priced. That has to be taken into consideration.

Must haves would be lads you will captain regularly like Suarez and Aguero.

let's not compare him to Suarez or Aguero. in fairness he's a high-priced defender who has consistently scored well for a long time now. there's so many squad variables. every season. had you had him in your teams the last 4 seasons would you have achieved better finishes? we don't know. that's the simple answer. this season so far, to my memory anyway, is the best form he's ever showed in terms of attacking returns. even taking away the 2 penos scored, he has 6 assists in 11. that's pretty phenomenal for a full back, and has to be an indicator of form, in an attacking sense anyway. take away the southampton lads (who's fixtures get a hell of alot tougher from now on), and baines is 21 points ahead of the next highest scoring defender. and that's with just 3 clean sheets from 11, and a missed peno (a rare thing in itself). be interesting to see how things pan out for the rest of the season, but for now he's providing superb bang-for-buck.

Lemlin wrote: »

No, he's not. I've finished inside the top 12k the last four seasons in a row and have never had him for any noticeable period of time any year.

He is generally one of the top scoring defenders (I think players like Kompany or Coleman beat him some years) but he's usually highly priced. That has to be taken into consideration.

Must haves would be lads you will captain regularly like Suarez and Aguero.

Tbf, Baines is the 3rd highest scoring player in the game, and even though he's expensive for a defender, he's much less than what midfielders or forwards cost and he still scores similar or better than them.

Lemlin wrote: »

Must haves would be lads you will captain regularly like Suarez and Aguero.

I see your point but in that case a must have defender is an impossible association of words ... since you'll never captain a def unless you're the gambler of all gamblers :pac:.


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Anyway, to be back on topic:

• FPLS have Sánchez rising and Eriksen, Nolan, Dier, Paulinho and Noble dropping tonight.
  
  
• Fiso have Sánchez, Rooney, and possibly Barkley and Cork (Chadli's close too) rising and too many dropping...
  
  
• FFF have Sánchez rising tonight (Chadli tomorrow) and Ulloa, Eriksen, Nolan, Paulinho, Agbonlahor and Hangeland dropping tonight (Jovetic tomorrow).

iroced wrote: »

I see your point but in that case a must have defender is an impossible association of words ... since you'll never captain a def unless you're the gambler of all gamblers :pac:.


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Anyway, to be back on topic:

• FPLS have Sánchez rising and Eriksen, Nolan, Dier, Paulinho and Noble dropping tonight.
  
  
• Fiso have Sánchez, Rooney, and possibly Barkley and Cork (Chadli's close too) rising and too many dropping...
  
  
• FFF have Sánchez rising tonight (Chadli tomorrow) and Ulloa, Eriksen, Nolan, Paulinho, Agbonlahor and Hangeland dropping tonight (Jovetic tomorrow).

Rooney rising would be unexpected and welcome!

@ FHFC: In fairness, even though I didn't do it the way you think of doing it, I've ended up getting Baines at the back and Chadli/Downing in midfield. But I'm not sure I'm gonna keep it for very long. Ivanovic destroyed at least a part of my overall rankings ambition this year (I know it's early stage but the points you got are not to be gotten as they say). So I'm not sure how patient I'd be with a £7m+ def if he doesn't return the points. At the moment I'm lying in wait about my transfers (I may even reconsdier my masterplan: dropped ADM for Sánchez last week with a plan to get him back GW13).

Just had a look at your team (tell me if I'm wrong but I think you're 3rd on the FSA Prem). So Baines + Chadli/Siggy vs Moore + ADM. Considering Moore seems out of favour it's a no brainer for the formers. That said, you have other options at the back in your team (I mean you don't have to play Moore).
The problem is ADM will face a favourable run from GW13 onwards... GW13 is also the start of a 3 GWs tough run for Saints. Would you not upgrade Clyne to Baines then and Downgrade Pellè to one of Berahino/Sakho/Austin?
I do realise though that by waiting that long you may not be able to afford that move and you may also fancy Baines next week...
So I'll phrase it differently. If you want ADM back for GW13 how many transfers you need for it if we assume you go for Baines + Chadli/Siggy this week?



PS: Don't know what I messed up when I added the predictions to my former post but erased most of my point re Baines. Glad you cited me, there's at least a piece of it restored .

Sanchez and Diego Costa the only risers.

Tomkins, Ulloa, Ben Arfa, Cambiasso, Rojo and Eriksen all fell.

Lemlin wrote: »

If people are labelling him "must-have", then Suarez and Aguero are the people they are comparing him too IMO.

Would I have finished higher with Baines in those seasons? No, I don't think so. Coleman outscored him last season for example and I had him pretty much the whole season. Two Everton defenders would be a non runner for me.

Nobody is arguing his stats this season to date. What I debated is that he is a "must-have" every season.

You have to take budget into account. Baines has 21 points more but how much is he in monetary value more than the next defender? I'd imagine 2 mil as next in line must be a Saints defender so is 2 mil of your budget worth 21 extra points?

There's a guy in one of my private leagues two points ahead of me. He has had both Baines and Coleman since the start and a few times I'd have been well ahead of him before I got Baines, except the two lads were digging him out left right and centre. there's definitely room for both of them.... in the right team.

PARlance wrote: »

Ye bad b*stards

It'll please me when he's rested for WBA, blanks against SUN whilst picking up a yellow and has to sit out TOT through suspension.

That'd be a 10 point return for him in 7 weeks.

I smell a charity bet

Lemlin wrote: »

If people are labelling him "must-have", then Suarez and Aguero are the people they are comparing him too IMO.

Would I have finished higher with Baines in those seasons? No, I don't think so. Coleman outscored him last season for example and I had him pretty much the whole season. Two Everton defenders would be a non runner for me.

Nobody is arguing his stats this season to date. What I debated is that he is a "must-have" every season.

Looking at Baines and Coleman's stats over the last five seasons, it seems that Baines is a consistent scorer/assists player. Coleman had one exceptional year last year. I would agree Baines is a must have, if you get him early at a relatively low price.

Big Borg wrote: »

Looking at Baines and Coleman's stats over the last five seasons, it seems that Baines is a consistent scorer/assists player. Coleman had one exceptional year last year. I would agree Baines is a must have, if you get him early at a relatively low price.

Comparing Baines & Coleman's stats at face value for the last 5 years is only going to lead to a misjudgement.
He was with Sligo Rovers just over 5 years ago....

There are loan spells and injuries through those 5 years since. And he's only 26, just approaching his prime.

Last year is the only real true comparison imo vs Baines. He outscored him in total but Baines had a slightly better points/game ratio.

To add to the Coleman vs Baines:

Baines 990mins 69 points = 6.2 points per game
Coleman (injured) 636mins 45points = 6.4 points per game.

Despite Baines getting all the headlines, if both remain fit, there should be no real difference in their returns for the rest of the season.

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Ill be steering clear of baines at current rates of scoring he is heading for 300 pts its not going to happen. Ive missed his purple patch unfortunately so will look at either JT or Azpil.

I tend to agree but may get him in for a few weeks just to protect myself if I can fit him without doing too much damage. Can always downgrade thereafter to Chelsea defender.