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At what stage does a girlfriend have a right to a part of your house?

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  • #32
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Roquentin wrote: »
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    I doubt their legal advice is up to scratch...probably better than here though.


  • #33
    BBJBIG
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 277 ✭✭BBJBIG


    After ya horse it into her about half a dozen times ...


  • #34
    zzboardzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 ✭zzboardzz


    To confirm ....

    We live together for 4years and 11 months and we break up.

    She has contributed to the Mortgage during this time.

    She is intitled to 0 of the house.

    or

    We live together for 5 year and one month and she is entitled to a share of the house.

    Is that correct?


  • #35
    zzboardzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 ✭zzboardzz


    I just want to know my rights is all.

    Ive heard a lot of stories lately of wimmins being absolute bitches where property is concerned.


  • #36
    The Corinthian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    Scenario 1: Yes, she is not entitled - more correctly have an automatic claim - to any asset. However, as she's contributed to the mortgage she may seek a claim, although I belive this is very difficult to establish.

    Scenario 2: Yes.

    Scenario 3: You have a child together and she's cohabiting with you for two years. Then she has an automatic claim as per scenario 1.

    Scenario 4: She's cohabiting with you for two years but has a child with you before the five years elapse. No idea.

    You can also sign a type of 'prenup' contract when you move in that can avoid such a scenario, but it should be noted that it can be set aside by a judge under exceptional circumstances which, depending upon the judge you get, could be anything.

    TBH, while people here may advise you to an extent, you should take all of our advice with a pinch of salt - basically, you need to talk to a solicitor about this, to be sure.

    Or you can sell / rent out your house and get the Hell out of Ireland and live somewhere with slightly less misadrist laws.


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  • #37
    Bruce Wailing Fur
    Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Bruce Wailing Fur


    zzboardzz wrote: »
    I just want to know my rights is all.

    Ive heard a lot of stories lately of wimmins being absolute bitches where property is concerned.

    If you think your gf is or is likely to be an "absolute bitch" maybe you shouldn't move in with her


  • #38
    JapaneseLove
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭JapaneseLove


    She owns nothing until u marry her.


  • #39
    The Corinthian
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    bluewolf wrote: »
    If you think your gf is or is likely to be an "absolute bitch" maybe you shouldn't move in with her
    How many couples think their other half will end up being an absolute bitch/bastard when they first move in? How many divorcees thought their marriage would fail when they had their wedding?

    There's nothing wrong with being careful given that these things happen more often than can be ignored and when they do the consequences can be disastrous. Indeed, only an idiot wouldn't consider such a scenario.


  • #40
    Stheno
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    zzboardzz wrote: »
    To confirm ....

    We live together for 4years and 11 months and we break up.

    She has contributed to the Mortgage during this time.

    She is intitled to 0 of the house.

    or

    We live together for 5 year and one month and she may be entitled to a share of the house.

    Is that correct?

    See edit above


  • #41
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    You need to cover yourself legally as the law currently is a bit of a grey area wrt this.

    The best way to protect your investment is to split up with your GF for a minimum of 2 weeks every year. You can combine this with a lad's holiday in Ibiza or somewhere. During this period you'll need documented evidence that you've been with other women, such as photos, videos, facebook updates etc.

    When you get back you can re-enter a relationship with your girlfriend although you'll need to use the phrase 'fresh-start' as this will automatically re-set the co-habitation period.

    Best of luck.


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  • #42
    Dial Hard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,004 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    The Corinthian wrote: »
    Or you can sell / rent out your house and get the Hell out of Ireland and live somewhere with slightly less misadrist laws.

    The law applies both ways, you know :rolleyes:


  • #43
    The Corinthian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    Dial Hard wrote: »
    The law applies both ways, you know :rolleyes:
    Sure, and in areas such as divorce women can also end up on the short end of the stick upon occasion. But if you want to claim that it's not men that are overwhelmingly those who end up on that short end of the stick, then you're either woefully naive or lying.


  • #44
    zzboardzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 ✭zzboardzz


    bluewolf wrote: »
    If you think your gf is or is likely to be an "absolute bitch" maybe you shouldn't move in with her

    Maybe I shouldn't, thats why Ive posted here .......
    The Female of the species is more deadlier than the male.

    If my X had her way Id be living in a card board box under a bridge. She was having an affair when we bought our house. I caught her in time, two weeks after we bough the house.

    You dont know who you are dealing with until you are breaking up, she is in a corner and wondering what she can take. In my case that was 0, I was extremely lucky.

    Its all fun and games until someone looses a house, usually the man, in the vast amount of cases.

    Ive two mates ...... One pays for "his" house and doesnt/ cant live in it. His x was having an affair and now her lover lives there. Not working as far as I know. So he pays for what was his house and she lives there with his 2 kids.

    He said women have a cnut Gene, and by the time you see it, it can be too late.

    Another ...

    Similar story. Married, He left and she changed the locks. New lover there, he lost the gaff.

    Ive just met someone, I dont want to loose my house if it doesn't work out after a short period of time. When I was renting I had 0 property to be concerned about. Now I do.

    I recently heard of a Chinese girl that married an Irish fellow and weeks later filed for divorce. Their apt was emptied by her.


  • #45
    laugh
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    When her jaysus hair blocks the shower drain for the first time.


  • #46
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #47
    Dial Hard
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    zzboardzz wrote: »
    I recently heard of a Chinese girl that married an Irish fellow and weeks later filed for divorce. Their apt was emptied by her.

    If you heard of that happening in Ireland, it's bullshit, because you've to wait 4 years to file for divorce here.


  • #48
    Bruce Wailing Fur
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    Dial Hard wrote: »
    If you heard of that happening in Ireland, it's bullshit, because you've to wait 4 years to file for divorce here.


    Thought it was 5. Could be 4. You've to show you were separated for those years too iirc


  • #49
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Thought it was 5. Could be 4. You've to show you were separated for those years too iirc

    You have to have been legally separated for at least a year before you can file for divorce too I think and then its at least a 4 yr wait to get the divorce so yeah, a minimum of 5 years - and thats if everything is straightforward and there is no dispute.


  • #50
    Dial Hard
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    bluewolf wrote: »
    Thought it was 5. Could be 4. You've to show you were separated for those years too iirc

    You've to be separated for four out of five years.
    eviltwin wrote: »
    You have to have been legally separated for at least a year before you can file for divorce too I think and then its at least a 4 yr wait to get the divorce so yeah, a minimum of 5 years - and thats if everything is straightforward and there is no dispute.

    It's a year before you can apply for a separation agreement, but the first year counts as part of the four. And you can't file for the decree of divorce until the four years are up.

    I'm going through it myself at the moment.


  • #51
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Heard Chinese couples are coming to Ireland to get divorced and the woman is then given a free house.


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  • #52
    Bruce Wailing Fur
    Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Bruce Wailing Fur


    and leaving free prams lying around


  • #53
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #54
    Fat Christy
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    bluewolf wrote: »
    I think it's 5 years, and less if ye have kids

    citzensinformation.ie should have the details

    4 years living together...with kids..not sure.


  • #55
    Stheno
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    bluewolf wrote: »
    and leaving free prams lying around

    I saw a pram at the side of the road last week and was going to take a pic. Sadly however it was not beside a bus stop


  • #56
    The Corinthian
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    I'm aware of that, what I was pointing out in the piece you quoted is that after that period the OP's partner would have a claim. Prior to that they would not, dependent or otherwise.
    But if both people in the relationship are working, and neither is financially dependent upon the other, the prospect of one walking off with a share of the other's property or pension would seem minimal.
    Well, that's not entirely true. All you need is that one is paying a larger share of the bills, even if the other may not be 'dependent' - they may not be able to afford the same level of expenditure, but they don't need to spend the same level of expenditure - but the onus (with divorce at least) is that they may be maintained at the same lifestyle level, if possible, as within the relationship. This means that both could have jobs, both can support themselves, but one has to subsidize the other so they can continue to have a lifestyle that they would not otherwise be able to afford.


  • #57
    FullblownRose
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    Do people usually discuss what their expectations would be in the event that they separate after cohabiting for a period of time?

    Whoever said women have a 'cnut gene' ..that kind of thng is like the tip of an iceberg of twisted bitterness!


  • #58
    The Corinthian
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    FullblownRose wrote: »
    Do people usually discuss what their expectations would be in the event that they separate after cohabiting for a period of time?
    I'm sure they do, but does it help? After all people change and so do circumstances - both may hope for an amicable break up, if it happens, but would they after the humiliation of an affair, or when circumstances change, such as a child entering the picture?

    Still, I think it's probably a good idea anyway to discuss as I suspect that many end up cohabiting or married without realizing that their partner's/spouse's expectations are wildly different from what they thought.


  • #59
    Permabear
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  • #60
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


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  • #61
    FullblownRose
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    I guess that is good in a way but how much does it cost to do so? unmarried friends of mne were quoted about 1000 euro to have the lady's name written on the deeds of their new house. That's quite a lot of money for people who are 'starting out'. I'd imagine any extra expense would be unwelcome in those circumstances.
    I was thinking more of an informal, but trust/honesty-based discussion.


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