Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

keane2097 · 06-11-2014 03:03PM

Herrera was class in a couple of games before he got injured.

Backstreet Moyes · 06-11-2014 03:07PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I think you are over blowing Fellaini's performances. I'll give you the Chelsea game, but I would not say he was our best player vs West Brom or City.

Also, I would say Herrera's performances vs West Ham and QPR were better than Fellaini's vs West Brom.

As an example...

Both have played 5 games this season. WhoScored gives Herrera a better average rating for the 5 games than Fellaini.

I would say Herrera has been as good (better imo) than Fellaini in as many games as Fellaini has done well in.

Herrera's best performances have been at home to the worst side in the league and a West Ham side we should be beating at home.

Fellaini has done it against Chelsea and City and imo in the last two games got the better of the two best midfielders in the league.

I hope Herrera does well but i think Fellaini after the last three games has done enough to be starting in cm for now.

Montroseee · 06-11-2014 03:09PM

I think any difference in performance level between Fellaini and Ander are negligible, the main highlight stemming from this is that Fellaini has shown himself to be a decent CM option finally. It's nice having 3 good players for the 2 CM spots, pretty different from having to choose the least worst option in there the last few years.

The Moldy Gowl · 06-11-2014 03:38PM

What an odd dilemma we have. We are arguing over whether one midfielder should start over the other.

For once it's not who has been less crap but who was better.

DM_7 · 06-11-2014 03:45PM

Yeah, I would prefer to see Herrera on Saturday but won't be pissed off if its Fellaini.

Backstreet Moyes · 06-11-2014 03:46PM

Montroseee wrote: »

I think any difference in performance level between Fellaini and Ander are negligible, the main highlight stemming from this is that Fellaini has shown himself to be a decent CM option finally. It's nice having 3 good players for the 2 CM spots, pretty different from having to choose the least worst option in there the last few years.

Anybody who has watched Everton or Belgium for years could have told you that. It's great to see him have his confidence back and i agree it is great to have good options.

Carrick looked good on Sunday also it will be nice to have a good few options for midfield.

Mantis Toboggan · 06-11-2014 04:07PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

I think Fellaini has slightly edged Herrera in terms of performance impact lately.

What do people think of our newly acquired midfield duo of Blind and Herrera so far?

I think Blind is a slight upgrade on Carrick, younger, faster and very solid.

I like Blind, he's a decent player and works very hard but one thing he's definitely not is fast, in fact he's one of the slowest players in the league!

homerjay2005 · 06-11-2014 04:08PM

Montroseee wrote: »

It's nice having 3 good players for the 2 CM spots, pretty different from having to choose the least worst option in there the last few years.

technically its now 4 - Herrera, Blind, Carrick and Fellaini.

Fletcher next best and poor Ando 6th choice!

MD1990 · 06-11-2014 04:16PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I think you are over blowing Fellaini's performances. I'll give you the Chelsea game, but I would not say he was our best player vs West Brom or City.

Also, I would say Herrera's performances vs West Ham and QPR were better than Fellaini's vs West Brom.

As an example...

Both have played 5 games this season. WhoScored gives Herrera a better average rating for the 5 games than Fellaini.

I would say Herrera has been as good (better imo) than Fellaini in as many games as Fellaini has done well in.

Who Scored ratings are terrible. Lovren has a 7.2 average in the PL this season despite being very poor.

Blatter · 06-11-2014 04:20PM

I've seen a lot of people mention Blind's lack of pace. I'm not sure why, I thought his speed is about average for a DM? Are the likes of Carrick, Alonso, Busquets etc. faster than him?

The bigger issue is his ability. He's decent enough but like Carrick, he tends to look a lot better when he's not getting pressed and has plenty of time on the ball.

The Moldy Gowl · 06-11-2014 04:24PM

Buddy Holly wrote: »

I like Blind, he's a decent player and works very hard but one thing he's definitely not is fast, in fact he's one of the slowest players in the league!

FACT

No, he isn't

adox · 06-11-2014 04:28PM

Blatter wrote: »

I've seen a lot of people mention Blind's lack of pace. I'm not sure why, I thought his speed is about average for a DM? Are the likes of Carrick, Alonso, Busquets etc. faster than him?

The bigger issue is his ability. He's decent enough but like Carrick, he tends to look a lot better when he's not getting pressed and has plenty of time on the ball.

I think hes a bit quicker of mind than Carrick so is better when pressed. Sees the pass quicker and can so release the ball quicker.

He does seem very slow covering the ground, to me, and slower than the players youve listed above. Its only really glaringly obvious when hes caught high up the pitch and has to track back. he looks like hes treading water sometimes.

I reckon his ideal position would have been the old fashioned sweeper. Hes very tidy on the ball, can see and play a good pass early, is very sound defensively both in the tackle and (mostly)positionally.

keane2097 · 06-11-2014 04:34PM

Blatter wrote: »

I've seen a lot of people mention Blind's lack of pace. I'm not sure why, I thought his speed is about average for a DM? Are the likes of Carrick, Alonso, Busquets etc. faster than him?

The bigger issue is his ability. He's decent enough but like Carrick, he tends to look a lot better when he's not getting pressed and has plenty of time on the ball.

Yeah I think you are right here.

Blind is nice and tidy, an upgrade on Carrick with the ball - very good at receiving it and moving it forward. Possibly Carrick will be better at that side with better movement ahead of him as well.

Nobody ever looks as good when they are being pressed, the problem United have at the moment is the shaky defence means teams are getting plenty of joy while pressing as it's leading to more chances being created.

If you have a defence that doesn't cough up as much during periods of pressure the results will become less fruitful for opposition sides and the motivation to do the pressing will diminish. The more the attack clicks into gear the more pressing will lead to being caught on the counter-attack and the less Blind/Carrick/whoever will have to deal with it.

Blind is totally squad-level for where United's aspirations will be of course, but he brings a lot to the table at the moment in his own right.

Billy86 · 06-11-2014 04:35PM

Blatter wrote: »

I've seen a lot of people mention Blind's lack of pace. I'm not sure why, I thought his speed is about average for a DM? Are the likes of Carrick, Alonso, Busquets etc. faster than him?

The bigger issue is his ability. He's decent enough but like Carrick, he tends to look a lot better when he's not getting pressed and has plenty of time on the ball.

Blind is better on the ball, but Carrick is better and reading the game and shielding. Personally I would prefer Blind against the weaker teams and Carrick k (or both) against the stronger ones for now.

Blatter · 06-11-2014 04:40PM

adox wrote: »

I think hes a bit quicker of mind than Carrick so is better when pressed. Sees the pass quicker and can so release the ball quicker.

He does seem very slow covering the ground, to me, and slower than the players youve listed above. Its only really glaringly obvious when hes caught high up the pitch and has to track back. he looks like hes treading water sometimes.

I reckon his ideal position would have been the old fashioned sweeper. Hes very tidy on the ball, can see and play a good pass early, is very sound defensively both in the tackle and (mostly)positionally.

keane2097 wrote: »

Yeah I think you are right here.

Blind is nice and tidy, an upgrade on Carrick with the ball - very good at receiving it and moving it forward. Possibly Carrick will be better at that side with better movement ahead of him as well.

Nobody ever looks as good when they are being pressed, the problem United have at the moment is the shaky defence means teams are getting plenty of joy while pressing as it's leading to more chances being created.

If you have a defence that doesn't cough up as much during periods of pressure the results will become less fruitful for opposition sides and the motivation to do the pressing will diminish. The more the attack clicks into gear the more pressing will lead to being caught on the counter-attack and the less Blind/Carrick/whoever will have to deal with it.

Blind is totally squad-level for where United's aspirations will be of course, but he brings a lot to the table at the moment in his own right.

I think it says a lot that LVG only ended up completing his signing on the last day of the window.

I think if he had rated him very highly and had no doubts about him, he would have snapped him up a lot earlier.

As it stands he is a grand signing though. Can cover a few positions and I can't see his value decreasing by much at all anytime soon.

Rayne Wooney · 06-11-2014 04:41PM

I saw somewhere that in his last 15 appearances for Holland under LVG Blind played DM once

I think Van Gaal knows he is a good option to have in midfield, but I think we will buy a better midfielder soon. Probably Strootman

Your Airbag · 06-11-2014 04:42PM

Buddy Holly wrote: »

I like Blind, he's a decent player and works very hard but one thing he's definitely not is fast, in fact he's one of the slowest players in the league!

I mean faster than Carrick. I don't have any stats on it but I assume he is given their ages.

keane2097 · 06-11-2014 04:44PM

Blatter wrote: »

I think it says a lot that LVG only ended up completing his signing on the last day of the window.

I think if he had rated him very highly and had no doubts about him, he would have snapped him up a lot earlier.

As it stands he is a grand signing though. Can cover a few positions and I can't see his value decreasing by much at all anytime soon.

Yeah exactly right again I would say. A case of "we can't get everyone we want in one window, what can we get?".

I tend to think everything bar the Falcao deal was very sensible in the summer, if you take it as read that there's a limit to how much you can do in a finite period of time.

Quandary · 06-11-2014 05:11PM

For the money he cost and what he offers the team, Blind is one of our most important signings in a while IMO. Right now I'd say he's one of the first names on the team sheet.

If another premier league team had signed him we would be looking at him doing his stuff for them and probably be moaning about how we never manage to snap up quality players at decent prices.

I'm delighted we signed him and I honestly think he is going to be a very important player for us over the next couple of years.

The Moldy Gowl · 06-11-2014 05:41PM

Would be nice if he became a better version of John o Shea. Left back, midfield, defender.

This is the assumption we vastly improve all areas in the next years.

The_Kew_Tour · 06-11-2014 05:47PM

I like Blind. Don't think he is the answer to our problems but he brings something different then Carrick.

Only negative is he is bit of a Paul Scholes in tackling department.

Mantis Toboggan · 06-11-2014 06:05PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Would be nice if he became a better version of John o Shea. Left back, midfield, defender.

Left back? Are you crazy.

Could you imagine someone like Aaron lennon, Walcott or navas running at him?

He's simply too slow, much more effective in the centre.

Vic Vinegar · 06-11-2014 06:22PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Only negative is he is bit of a Paul Scholes in tackling department.

He really isn't.

Deiseboy01 · 06-11-2014 06:27PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

I think Fellaini has slightly edged Herrera in terms of performance impact lately.

What do people think of our newly acquired midfield duo of Blind and Herrera so far?

I think Blind is a slight upgrade on Carrick, younger, faster and very solid. Herrera is a hard worker but hasn't exactly lit things up as yet, not that he's done anything wrong but he is our roaming creative MF of the pair. He's eager and all that but again its a slight improvement over what we had ie more roaming upfield and forward passes than Clev but not quite the creativity from passing that Giggs offered us at times. An improvement overall but not a revolutionary upgrade.

We look a bit more solid and energetic in MF but still fall behind many of the MF's that the top clubs have.

We still need a world beater in there. It looks like a choice between Strootman and Vidal unless those report about us scouting Perez from Benfica are true. I think it will be next summer before we see a new MF player brought in as its bound to be CBs in January.

Carrick at his best or even close to pisses on Blind.

I bet VG plays Carrick when fit.

Hank Scorpio · 06-11-2014 06:29PM

DM_7 · 06-11-2014 06:55PM

Carrick wil probably be at centre half on Saturday so he will be an actual defender!

Will I Amnt · 06-11-2014 07:05PM

Carrick's reading of the game is excellent, there was a moment in the game on Sunday when United were under pressure and the ball broke in the box, every other player on the team would have launched it high and as far up the pitch as possible, Carrick fizzed a 30-40 yard pass along the ground and straight to the feet of Rooney to turn defence into attack.
He obviously has his negatives but he still has a bit to offer.

kryogen · 06-11-2014 07:24PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I saw somewhere that in his last 15 appearances for Holland under LVG Blind played DM once

I think Van Gaal knows he is a good option to have in midfield, but I think we will buy a better midfielder soon. Probably Strootman

He was needed more at left back tbh, they had enough in midfield with De Jong as the DM to get by. He played the majority of last season as a 6/DM/DCM/CMD (think I got all the titles covered) and won the Dutch POTY.

He is a very good stop gap and a great squad addition either way

kryogen · 06-11-2014 07:26PM

Buddy Holly wrote: »

Left back? Are you crazy.

Could you imagine someone like Aaron lennon, Walcott or navas running at him?

He's simply too slow, much more effective in the centre.

He has more then held his own against some top class wingers while playing left back, wouldn't worry me there.

Blatter · 06-11-2014 07:32PM

I'm getting slightly concerned at the lack of movement on de Gea's contract. I said around 18 months ago that he should be tied down to a long term deal. Nothing done yet and it's coming up to the point where there's only 18 months to run on it.

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