Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

kryogen · 06-11-2014 12:50AM

glued wrote: »

So you don't like Rooney yet you still disagree?

Cool story bro

I knew a girl used to use that expression quite a bit, was that you Bridie?

I don't disagree, you are just wrong. There isn't an argument there for me to disagree with really.

Now for another tale, have you ever heard that you can dislike someone, and still be aware that they have qualities? It is possible you know. Use the force.

The Moldy Gowl · 06-11-2014 12:53AM

glued wrote: »

So you don't like Rooney yet you still disagree?

Cool story bro

Its called being objective, just because he dosent like him for whatever reason dosent mean, Rooney is now a bad player. Its common around here and annoying as ****. Just because someone dosent like someone, they are now a bad player and dont want them in their team. I.e. Giggs and affair. Becks and his looks. Lazza and fellaini.

kryogen wrote: »

Neuer is obviously not the 3rd best player in the world.

A lot of it going on lately, obviously he isnt, Davey is.

glued · 06-11-2014 12:54AM

kryogen wrote: »

I knew a girl used to use that expression quite a bit, was that you Bridie?

I don't disagree, you are just wrong. There isn't an argument there for me to disagree with really.

Now for another tale, have you ever heard that you can dislike someone, and still be aware that they have qualities? It is possible you know. Use the force.

It's strange that you can dislike somone as a person considering you have never met them, now that is truly bizarre. One would naturally assume that when you refer to disliking someone on a football forum that you're referring to their ability as a footballer.

The Moldy Gowl · 06-11-2014 12:56AM

I hate Vidal because of his stupid pikey looking haircut and stupid moronic chin strap beard. If I saw him in Limerick I would think he was a traveler, dosent mean I know think he is crap. Bought him on fifa for 15 mill, my most solid player. ****ing hate his cutscenes.

kryogen · 06-11-2014 01:05AM

glued wrote: »

It's strange that you can dislike somone as a person considering you have never met them, now that is truly bizarre. One would naturally assume that when you refer to disliking someone on a football forum that you're referring to their ability as a footballer.

Pretty simple really, I don't like his public persona. I suppose, what you might take from this experience is that assumption is the mother of all **** ups? (As you obviously haven't already learnt it from Steven Seagal films)

Now to move the goal posts back to your original statement-

Finally, no, I am not foolish enough to doubt Rooneys ability as a footballer, it is very obvious for everyone to see. Anybody who thinks he is rubbish, and hasn't done it for 3 years now is simply incorrect.

I would have a kind of morbid curiosity actually as to how someone could genuinely reach that conclusion.

The Moldy Gowl · 06-11-2014 01:05AM

http://gfycat.com/RelievedSoupyBoaconstrictor

This about sums up why Rooney should start ahead of Mata, for tight matches.

The Moldy Gowl · 06-11-2014 01:08AM

A comment I found while creeping amongst the depths of the internet. Sums up how a lot of people are being very fickle judging us up to now.

A win and fixtures going our way, we could be sat 6th, 4 points adrift of 4th. I don't expect Southampton or West Ham to stay there all season, 6th - 2 places = 4th.
Liverpool have Chelsea. A win for us would no doubt see us leapfrog them. Arsenal have Swansea. Any result there would either see us overtake Swansea or go within a point of Arsenal.
A decent win, and a win against Arsenal, which is easily do-able, and we could easily be knocking on the door to 4th.

Also, vermealan has been injured and hasnt featured for Barca

kryogen · 06-11-2014 01:09AM

We are 4 points off 4th now aren't we?

The Moldy Gowl · 06-11-2014 01:20AM

Yeah, 4 off arsenal, 7 off man city, 9 off southamption.

Also 4 off 18th, 6 off 19th, 9 off 20th for the pessimists

Are we the same distance to relegation, than to second? Even the hardcore negative Nellys would find that hard when they base the leauge and performance off points.

The Moldy Gowl · 06-11-2014 02:01AM

Liam O wrote: »

Just the goal and assist from Nani tonight. In the Champions League.

It was a tap in. http://gfycat.com/CanineTinyDeinonychus

kryogen · 06-11-2014 02:03AM

It was a goal though right?

The Moldy Gowl · 06-11-2014 02:13AM

wanna fight about it? No mods around to break us up. We can have a PL gif battle and break all the copyrights.

Mitch Connor · 06-11-2014 07:43AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

http://gfycat.com/RelievedSoupyBoaconstrictor

This about sums up why Rooney should start ahead of Mata, for tight matches.

Mata would have controlled the ball as it came down at the start of that clip and played a poetically beautiful pass to a United player.

glued · 06-11-2014 08:27AM

kryogen wrote: »

Pretty simple really, I don't like his public persona. I suppose, what you might take from this experience is that assumption is the mother of all **** ups? (As you obviously haven't already learnt it from Steven Seagal films)

Now to move the goal posts back to your original statement-

Finally, no, I am not foolish enough to doubt Rooneys ability as a footballer, it is very obvious for everyone to see. Anybody who thinks he is rubbish, and hasn't done it for 3 years now is simply incorrect.

I would have a kind of morbid curiosity actually as to how someone could genuinely reach that conclusion.

The only poor assumption that I made was where I thought you might actually attempt to respond to the initial post without trying to be a poor comedian.

Also nobody is doubting Rooney's ability as a footballer. However, he has under performed regularly since 2011/12 albeit with good games in between but overall his performances haven't been great. He's not the same player at all.

Mitch Connor · 06-11-2014 08:30AM

My biggest issue with Rooney is looking at the kid we bought and the player we now have. the kid was better. Faster, hungrier, more of a threat. This Rooney isn't the driving force he should be, and also, far too often, his passing and control (especially control) let him down when they really shouldn't.

The_Kew_Tour · 06-11-2014 08:43AM

I dont know.

I think Rooney still has hunger and the drive. He is obviously more mature now and his passing IMO is still very good, in fact its much better then younger years.

His control is something that IMO has always been a shaky point of his.

Bar 1 poor long pass Sunday I thought he played well.

To put it quite simple, when Rooney plays United play better.(most of time)

Larry Wildman · 06-11-2014 09:05AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

My biggest issue with Rooney is looking at the kid we bought and the player we now have. the kid was better. Faster, hungrier, more of a threat. This Rooney isn't the driving force he should be, and also, far too often, his passing and control (especially control) let him down when they really shouldn't.

Spot on.

He's still a superb player but the freak of nature who we bought from Everton is sadly gone.

Lifestyle and a genetic propensity to be overweight are the problem in my humble opinion.

Irishcrx · 06-11-2014 09:08AM

kryogen wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't consider him one of the best in the world is not really worth paying much attention to in fairness.

He is one of the best in the world no doubt. It's shocking that he isn't Spain's number 1 at this stage , he is streets ahead of Casillas right now. I don't say that just because he is a Utd player I say it because it's obvious in most peoples eyes bar the Spanish national team.

Irishcrx · 06-11-2014 09:16AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Spot on.

He's still a superb player but the freak of nature who we bought from Everton is sadly gone.

Lifestyle and a genetic propensity to be overweight are the problem in my humble opinion.

He's a very different player from the one we bought from Everton and there's a couple of thing's that have led to it.

Hunger - Yes , Rooney is still a hungry player but he's not the hungry player that he was. When he came to Utd he had something to prove , he was fearless , reckless some would say but I really think a Rooney with a fire in his belly is the better player, the player that will take on defenders and look to shoot from well outside the box or closely inside. Ferguson changed him as a player for the good for the most part but other parts of his game were lost over time.

Position - He has always been switched around at Utd , not allowed to play as an out and out striker he was switched between the wing's , up front , midfield. For the good of the team yes , but his best position was playing as a striker not so sure about that now.

Fitness - His fitness and weight have been up and down through the years. While the likes of Ronaldo/Bale went on to be top top athletes and players Rooney fell short of this mark once he 'made it' at Utd he didn't have the drive to push himself the extra mile like those lads.

Touch - Kind of ties into everything really , he doesn't have bad control or first touch by a long shot but it isn't what you expect of a world class player and it has dropped off the past few seasons to the point where at times it is sloppy. As said this is part of everything , he has lost a yard of pace , rarely takes on a defender anymore, loose passing is becoming more evident and that sideways ball he looks for over the top is obvious now and being cut out. Your compare his touch to RVP/Falcao/Di Maria and that's what it has to be compared to it's not as good.

He's still a very good player , but is in decline no doubt and IMO shouldn't be earning 300,000k pounds a week at Utd.

Backstreet Moyes · 06-11-2014 09:23AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

My biggest issue with Rooney is looking at the kid we bought and the player we now have. the kid was better. Faster, hungrier, more of a threat. This Rooney isn't the driving force he should be, and also, far too often, his passing and control (especially control) let him down when they really shouldn't.

Rooney has put the club before him so much that he never turned into the player he could have been. He has played in cm on the wings and behind the striker when he is best as a striker. In what 10+ years he has played 2 seasons as a striker up top yet he will still soon be the clubs record goalscorer of all time.

Backstreet Moyes · 06-11-2014 09:25AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Mata would have controlled the ball as it came down at the start of that clip and played a poetically beautiful pass to a United player.

Maybe if he was in a Chelsea jersey he might have.

bangkok · 06-11-2014 09:41AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

My biggest issue with Rooney is looking at the kid we bought and the player we now have. the kid was better. Faster, hungrier, more of a threat. This Rooney isn't the driving force he should be, and also, far too often, his passing and control (especially control) let him down when they really shouldn't.

maybe because that was 10 years ago??

You wouldn't say messi was the same player he was either from 5-7 years ago, he has definitely gone back as well.

It happens, players get older and start to lose what they once had

Mitch Connor · 06-11-2014 09:55AM

bangkok wrote: »

maybe because that was 10 years ago??

You wouldn't say messi was the same player he was either from 5-7 years ago, he has definitely gone back as well.

It happens, players get older and start to lose what they once had

Messi still runs at people, still scores from range etc, is still a danger every time he gets the ball.

Messi is a different player to the one that first appeared at Barca - but he is a better player in all aspects, imo.

Ronaldo is different to years back too - he is also better.

Rooney is not, imo.

Also, imo, that is down to both him and United (Fergie).

Larry Wildman · 06-11-2014 10:13AM

Being played on the wing and sacrificed in favour of Ronaldo definitely stifled his development.

He has been a great player for United though. He probably should have been greater but perhaps then Ronaldo and 2008 etc wouldn't have happened?

He should have respected his body more though - The professionalism of Bale and Ronaldo would have seen him achieve more.

Backstreet Moyes · 06-11-2014 10:17AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Being played on the wing and sacrificed in favour of Ronaldo definitely stifled his development.

He has been a great player for United though. He probably should have been greater but perhaps then Ronaldo and 2008 etc wouldn't have happened?

He should have respected his body more though - The professionalism of Bale and Ronaldo would have seen him achieve more.

Just my personal opinion if Rooney had been playing up top in his time at United he would already have smashed the goalscoring record. If he had the lifestyle of Ronaldo and Bale as you said he could have been one of the very best.

eamondunphy · 06-11-2014 10:17AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Messi still runs at people, still scores from range etc, is still a danger every time he gets the ball.

Messi is a different player to the one that first appeared at Barca - but he is a better player in all aspects, imo.

Ronaldo is different to years back too - he is also better.

Rooney is not, imo.

Also, imo, that is down to both him and United (Fergie).

Yup, barring major injuries, the vast majority of players are better in their late 20s compared to the late teens

Ordinary man · 06-11-2014 10:31AM

Lvg should show rooney a video of his run against city when he burst forward and tell him to keep repeating that. It's too long since i saw him even attempt that. When he was younger he could power past/though defenders but he cut it out over the years.

Lord TSC · 06-11-2014 10:35AM

Ordinary man wrote: »

Lvg should show rooney a video of his run against city when he burst forward and tell him to keep repeating that. It's too long since i saw him even attempt that. When he was younger he could power past/though defenders but he cut it out over the years.

Really don't like Rooney as a player tbh, but that run did give me chills....

homerjay2005 · 06-11-2014 10:44AM

i really do find it baffling the amount of people that still question Rooney, i guess part of this is down to the obsession some people have with Juan Mata and the mad notion that he should be picked before Rooney.

bangkok · 06-11-2014 10:46AM

Ordinary man wrote: »

Lvg should show rooney a video of his run against city when he burst forward and tell him to keep repeating that. It's too long since i saw him even attempt that. When he was younger he could power past/though defenders but he cut it out over the years.

was his first touch in that run to take it past 2 city players not just bad ball control as well? it was where I seen it from

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