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What the heck is signal fault?

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  • #32
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,497 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Mikros wrote: »
    freezing my ass off standing in Connolly station.

    whatever your into!!!! each to their own!!!!!!!! . on a serious note, from my experience connolly isn't as bad as tara street. that place is like a walk in freezer when its cold

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #33
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    How on earth can the drivers either not know what's going on or not see it as part of their job to announce it?


  • #34
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,827 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Generally the last 6 weeks or so have been worse than I can ever remember for the amount of service disruptions there has been in them.

    Some of them were not the fault of Irish Rail, but the one thing that has been common in all of them is the very poor standard of information which is either completely inaccurate, out of date, or more commonly, not provided at all.

    It was about ten minutes after this started before anyone at IR knew what was going on, I was stuck on a Malahide train at Lansdowne Road for about 10 minutes yet at that time Irish Rail were replying to people on twitter asking about any problems by saying everything was operating as normal.

    Then an announcement was read out at the station where we'd been stuck for 10 minutes stating that "All Services were operating as normal" which lead to some ironic applause on the train I was in and some sarcastic comments, before eventually it was confirmed that there was a "Signal failure at Howth Junction"

    Although since that excuse is always the defacto one used at stations and on trains no matter what the problem is, it wasn't until I read it on twitter and on the Irish Rail website that I knew it was actually a signal failure, even if it wasn't at Howth Junction.

    Also in Pearse they seem to have turned the new white screens off and are now using the old red ones again.


  • #35
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,827 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    All of the information screens are now turned off in all stations in the Dublin Area nobody has any idea when the next train is coming on any route. since they're not even running anywhere near to timetable due to delays between 20-30 minutes apparently.

    The situation is not helped by a large number of 8500 DARTS, 29000 Commuter railcars, and 22000 sets operating with broken PIS systems that are not even showing anything on the outside.

    Then add the fact that many dart stations are unstaffed, so you have no staff, no real time information on apps or websites, no screens, many trains without any working exterior displays and there are delays. In other words there is no way to know where a train is going.

    Even better is drivers are not even making announcements.


  • #36
    may06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭may06


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    How on earth can the drivers either not know what's going on or not see it as part of their job to announce it?

    I get the impression they couldnt be bothered really...to be fair to them, dont think in terms of communication they're the first port of call either :rolleyes:


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  • #37
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,883 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Irish Rail's website said that due to an earlier technical fault, the real-time information had to be shut off (I wonder what that is about) How can a technical fault shut off real-time on all information boards on the rail network? It says it is working to rectify the issue ASAP.

    Had the massive delays eased earlier tonight on the trains in Dublin because of that fault?


  • #38
    Rashers72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Rashers72


    I would love to know who really represents us, the customers in all this? Dept of Transport? Service is getting worse, pricing structure is crazy on suburban trains (leading to lots of off peak trains running virtually empty 90% of the time), and they just keep raising prices. As a private company the management team would have been exited a long time ago, for failed objectives. We just keep getting treated so badly lately, with no one to stick up for us...rant over!!!


  • #39
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,924 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    How can a technical fault shut off real-time on all information boards on the rail network?

    That is a strange comment, how do you think real time location information is generated & transmitted?


  • #40
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    That is a strange comment, how do you think real time location information is generated & transmitted?

    Why would a *signal fault* cause the location information to fail? The trains are somewhere.


  • #41
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    Why would a *signal fault* cause the location information to fail? The trains are somewhere.

    Information displays rely on the train describer information to know where the trains are and the schedule to know which train is which

    Irish Rail appear to have lost the train describer or auto routing service which caused the service suspension


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  • #42
    Hungerford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Hungerford


    Signalling issues continued this morning with Irish Rail boasting om twitter that only one service was significantly delayed. More worryingly, they suggested that they didn't know the cause of these outages.


  • #43
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Can't wait to see their next set Reliability and Punctuality signs say, something like 98% and 95% like they always are.

    I've only had 2 DARTs on time in the past 3 weeks, that's 2 out of 42 trains! I guess I'm just unlucky in the train I get though according to IE. I class on time as within 3mins for IE, I know IE say 5mins. If I'm late for work by 30 seconds I'm let know about very quickly. I get the very first DART from Malahide in mornings and the fact it can't leave Fairview depot on time says alot. And then we a signal checked all the way in to Connolly for some reason, don't know why it's does not have a free run in at that hour. Always signal checked at Killester and Clontarf further delaying the service.


  • #44
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,924 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    Why would a *signal fault* cause the location information to fail? The trains are somewhere.

    'Signal fault' is interchangable with 'Signalling fault'. The information for the real time displays come from the signalling system and if it is centralised control (as I suspect it is in Dublin), there are some common mode failures which will take out the whole real time information


  • #45
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Its a joke of a service these days

    Maybe we should strike about the poor service, seems all the rage these days


  • #46
    Captain Chaos
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    naughtb4 wrote: »
    Its a joke of a service these days

    Maybe we should strike about the poor service, seems all the rage these days

    All you can do is stop using the service. I will be in the new year. Finally had enough of fares going up beyond the level of inflation year on year, reduced capacity on services back to what they were 10 years ago yet in reality the amount of people using the service has not dropped that much, and now it's the unreliability and lack of communication.

    As it is public transport is no use to be at weekends as it does not run early in the day enough. First service at 9am on a Sunday. I need it at 6:30am. Some people do actually work at weekends despite with IE think.


  • #47
    Rashers72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Rashers72


    As of five pm, northbound to Drogheda nineteen mins late, and southbound to Bray fifteen mins late. No announcements on ny train.


  • #48
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    To add to the fun there was a complete train failure at Malahide at 17:00 this evening. It just keeps getting better and better by the day.


  • #49
    cython
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭cython


    Can Irish Rail go for a full week straight of serious rush hour disruptions? I have the utmost faith in them, unfortunately! :rolleyes:


  • #50
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    cython wrote: »
    Can Irish Rail go for a full week straight of serious rush hour disruptions? I have the utmost faith in them, unfortunately! :rolleyes:

    Thing is they are usually ok'ish for months and then they get a long string of things all together. It's a strange pattern that keeps happening to them over the years.


  • #51
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,699 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    matban wrote: »
    Joke, these people are not capable of running the rail network, useless bastards
    Constructive posts only please.

    Moderator


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  • #52
    BabyBirch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭BabyBirch


    Darts delayed again this morning, late for work again, no announcements again :(


  • #53
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Anyone see the new DART performance stats posted up at stations. 94% punctuality, what a load. They have a great way of spinning numbers. As far as I know it's only measured end to end of a run and within 5mins. Given that there is about 20mins of padding on a run from Howth to Bray. Even last weekend a DART I went to get at 2pm on a Sunday afternoon was 20 mins late.

    Even been on DART from Connolly to Howth Junction with an Enterprise up it's ass, the drivers can make them move when they need to. It's all the timetable padding that have them pottering around most of time waiting for the clock to catch up. They can really tighten up the timings on the DART if they wanted to and were able to maintain the network running to a high standard.


  • #54
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    I see 85% here http://www.irishrail.ie/about-us/train-performance


  • #55
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,924 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


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  • #56
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    It was last months I saw then, thought it was the latest. Still 85% is being kind imo.


  • #57
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    There were yet again more signal faults on Friday evening rush hour. Getting a bit much at this stage. Then with the slippy rail conditions the DART I was waiting for slightly overshot he platform at Killester station. The front of the DART, well just the drivers cab went past the signal turning it red while the first door of the train was over the platform ramp and no one could use it. Lots of wheel slipping trying to leave the station. Poor driver was having a tough evening.


  • #58
    iDave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Signal fault just been announced. Saying 25 min delay.
    At rush hour again


  • #59
    Kh1993
    Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Kh1993


    Expect another tomorrow as these things usually come in 2s, or 3s, or...


  • #60
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    An IT bug apparently. They had a bug causing system freeze at certain time time and the reboot was taking 15 minutes.
    http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-rail-rush-hour-1792667-Nov2014/


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  • #61
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    mhge wrote: »
    An IT bug apparently. They had a bug causing system freeze at certain time time and the reboot was taking 15 minutes.
    http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-rail-rush-hour-1792667-Nov2014/

    Just as I suspected after the first two days. The signs were there that is was software related as it was happening at he same times every day, clearly from as set of certain conditions that all happen triggering it.


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