Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

keane2097 · 03-11-2014 02:35PM

kstand wrote: »

Januzaj has been a pale shadow of the player he was when he came on the scene a year ago. Looks totally lost out there, 3 starts and no contribution of note.

He looks the same.

Will I Amnt · 03-11-2014 02:55PM

Kirby wrote: »

I think that spending came after failing to reach top 4. Spending to protect their asset. I highly doubt that money would have been available had Moyes scraped 4th spot.

If's and but's but it wasn't there to spend the previous summer....what made this one different? 7 league places is the answer.

I wasn't suggesting otherwise, the restricted spending argument can't be used against them now so you won't hear much about them, the way it came about is irrelevant.

03-11-2014 03:01PM

kstand wrote: »

Januzaj has been a pale shadow of the player he was when he came on the scene a year ago. Looks totally lost out there, 3 starts and no contribution of note.

He really needs to be loaned out in January.

sReq | uTeK · 03-11-2014 03:10PM

keane2097 wrote: »

He looks the same.

He has moments of class but his decision making lets him down, he dwells when he should be putting the ball in quickly and sometimes its as if he is only playing with himself on the pitch.

I can't fathom why we let Nani go but hold onto and start Adnan, perplexing to say the least.

Blatter · 03-11-2014 03:10PM

Kirby wrote: »

I think that spending came after failing to reach top 4. Spending to protect their asset. I highly doubt that money would have been available had Moyes scraped 4th spot.

If's and but's but it wasn't there to spend the previous summer....what made this one different? 7 league places is the answer.

Well actually that isn't true.

Moyes said recently that he was close to bringing in a couple of big names last Summer. It was reported by reliable sources that they had outbid Real for Bale. The money was there, there was just problems with spending it, probably down to Moyes being very cautious and meticulous as well as Woodward being a novice in his role.

Mitch Connor · 03-11-2014 03:14PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

He has moments of class but his decision making lets him down, he dwells when he should be putting the ball in quickly and sometimes its as if he is only playing with himself on the pitch.

I can't fathom why we let Nani go but hold onto and start Adnan, perplexing to say the least.

One was frustrating and has been for about 5 years of his time at Untied, doing very little in the last two.

The other is frustrating, but 19 years old.

I don't find it perplexing at all. Give youth a chance, and some patience.

irishfeen · 03-11-2014 03:15PM

https://twitter.com/lukeshaw3/status/529282093843759105

Settling in nicely, great few games from the young fella. I hope Smalling applogised to all the lads at half time, we were well capable of winning that game yesterday.

Mitch Connor · 03-11-2014 03:16PM

Blatter wrote: »

Well actually that isn't true.

Moyes said recently that he was close to bringing in a couple of big names last Summer. It was reported by reliable sources that they had outbid Real for Bale. The money was there, there was just problems with spending it, probably down to Moyes being very cautious and meticulous as well as Woodward being a novice in his role.

I've read/been told Woodward was very confident of landing either Bale or Ronaldo, but failed on both counts, and we really should have been able to secure Fabregas last summer, the leg work had been done.

Woodward came through with some big name signings this summer, but he failed the previous one.

Fingers crossed he can come through with the right signings (some defenders/leaders please) in the next two windows as we are still very short in some key areas.

Giggsy11 · 03-11-2014 03:17PM

Ian Herbert reported that Rojo might be out for 6 months.

ian herbert @ianherbs

Manchester United's Marcos Rojo could be out for up to six months after shoulder dislocation http://ind.pn/1Ed5cUg #mufc

Giggsy11 · 03-11-2014 03:19PM

Mark Ogden ‏@MOgdenTelegraph 4m4 minutes ago

Manchester United's Marcos Rojo could face three months out if shoulder injury is as bad as initially feared

Mitch Connor · 03-11-2014 03:19PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Ian Herbert reported that Rojo might be out for 6 months.

ian herbert @ianherbs

A bad dislocation should be around 3 months max, can be a lot quicker. 6 months seems like an insane prognosis for a dislocated shoulder.

Mitch Connor · 03-11-2014 03:20PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Mark Ogden ‏@MOgdenTelegraph 4m4 minutes ago

would say Ogden more on the money here than Herbert - but would still say 3 months is a worse case scenario.

Mitch Connor · 03-11-2014 03:25PM

wonder if either Jones or Evans will be available for the weekend, could do with an actual centre back. At the moment we are looking at playing the defence that finished yesterday (no idea about Rafael).

But of course no one could have guessed injury sicknotes Jones, Evans and Smalling would be injured this season. Good forward thinking lads!

The Moldy Gowl · 03-11-2014 03:26PM

Why would a dislocated shoulder take so long. Have never had it or known anyone who had it.

Has lethal weapon lied to me? Can't he just hit off smallings head and fix it that way?

Lvg really must be too old for this ****

keane2097 · 03-11-2014 03:27PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

He has moments of class but his decision making lets him down, he dwells when he should be putting the ball in quickly and sometimes its as if he is only playing with himself on the pitch.

The odd moment of skill, terrible decision making and an unwillingness to pass the ball unless there's no other option sounds like the same Januzaj as last year to me.

03-11-2014 03:40PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

A bad dislocation should be around 3 months max, can be a lot quicker. 6 months seems like an insane prognosis for a dislocated shoulder.

Bryan Robson used to dislocate his shoulder a few times but I can't remember how long he used to be out for!

GavRedKing · 03-11-2014 03:46PM

Cech was out for over 2months recovering from a dislocated shoulder after the UCL semi final with Atletico.

Its very possible to be out for that long from such an injury.

Kerrydude1981 · 03-11-2014 03:51PM

Looking forward to Neville and Carragher later on MNF,Smalling will get some going over.

Was reading this earlier on, a piece by the Stretty News lads

http://strettynews.com/stats-table-dont-tell-story-uniteds-recovery/

Mikeyt086 · 03-11-2014 03:51PM

WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOU!?

Maximus Alexander · 03-11-2014 03:55PM

I've known a couple of people that dislocated their shoulders playing rugby and they were only out a couple of weeks. But I'm no physio, maybe there are different levels of severity.

Billy86 · 03-11-2014 03:59PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

One was frustrating and has been for about 5 years of his time at Untied, doing very little in the last two.

The other is frustrating, but 19 years old.

I don't find it perplexing at all. Give youth a chance, and some patience.

It really had more to do with Nani being (edit) unhappy here, I reckon - especially in terms of holding in to Young and Valencia ahead of him. I would love to know why he was so marginalised the last two years mind you (just 24 status and 10 subs appearances total), though my guess is we will never know.

Billy86 · 03-11-2014 04:03PM

GavRedKing wrote: »

Cech was out for over 2months recovering from a dislocated shoulder after the UCL semi final with Atletico.

Its very possible to be out for that long from such an injury.

I would say it also depends on where and how you play as well - a winger, attacking fullback or #10 type player might be able to risk coming back earlier, but a CB, Andy Carroll type target man, or especially a goalkeeper would have to make sure it was completely healed before returning.

keane2097 · 03-11-2014 04:05PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I've known a couple of people that dislocated their shoulders playing rugby and they were only out a couple of weeks. But I'm no physio, maybe there are different levels of severity.

There definitely are. I think there's a membrane/meniscus in there somewhere that if the shoulder comes out badly enough can be torn which would need a serious enough operation to repair.

The Moldy Gowl · 03-11-2014 04:05PM

You learn something new every day. I would have guess in my expert opinion that he gets to hospital, they reduce the swelling, put it back in, reduce the swelling and bruising and he does a few exercises on his shoulder.

He won't be able to have a ****. Poor guy.

bangkok · 03-11-2014 04:06PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I would say it also depends on where and how you play as well - a winger, attacking fullback or #10 type player might be able to risk coming back earlier, but a CB, Andy Carroll type target man, or especially a goalkeeper would have to make sure it was completely healed before returning.

doesn't matter where you play, no player is coming back unless it is 100% healed as it can happen easily again

adox · 03-11-2014 04:08PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

He won't be able to have a ****. Poor guy.

It's only the one shoulder gone.

Bridge93 · 03-11-2014 04:21PM

Wasn't Brian O Driscoll out for 6/7 months when he dislocated his on the Lions Tour in 2005? Granted his was as nasty as I've seen.

Vic Vinegar · 03-11-2014 04:36PM

Rojo's father has said he'll only miss 2 or 3 games.

Total injuries for this season now at 35 apparently!

D-FENS · 03-11-2014 04:43PM

zorro2566 wrote: »

Bryan Robson used to dislocate his shoulder a few times but I can't remember how long he used to be out for!

Men are wimps these days compared to the likes of Robbo in the 80's, he probably used the Mel Gibson/Lethal Weapon method for dealing with dislocated shoulders...

irishfeen · 03-11-2014 05:20PM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Rojo's father has said he'll only miss 2 or 3 games.

Total injuries for this season now at 35 apparently!

What the hell is the story with the injury at all - Rojo seems to think he himself is fine... strange old one.

2 CB's in January I think are now on the way.

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