Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

LiamoSail · 02-11-2014 05:14PM

marklazarcovic wrote: »

the thing alan,that a lot forget is that you can only sign players that are willing to sign for you,signing mercenary players we just cant afford,so we try another way.

its prob the hardest way with any club of ambition,not defending the signings by any stretch,just pointing out thats its not a simple as your maybe making out... i.e .. sign better players.. well ya,if they will sign.

Mercenary players? The likes of DiMaria is no more a mercenary than the likes of Markovic. Players will always gravitate towards the best terms for themselves, it just so happens DiMaria is further up the pecking order and so can demand more

Mr Alan · 02-11-2014 05:16PM

Can we just clarify something.

Are people genuinely trying to suggest, we're actually making the best use of our transfer fees & wages with the players we've brought in over the last couple of years?

Granted we can't pay every player £250k, but we are paying big transfer fees & big wages for ****e.

People need to stop excusing it.

Chucky the tree · 02-11-2014 05:20PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Can we just clarify something.

Are people genuinely trying to suggest, we're actually making the best use of our transfer fees & wages with the players we've brought in over the last couple of years?

Granted we can't pay every player £250k, but we are paying big transfer fees & big wages for ****e.

People need to stop excusing it.

Who's getting paid big wages?

02-11-2014 05:22PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Who's getting paid big wages?

Glen fcuking Johnson!!

Nearly broke the TV yesterday because of him, on a few occasions!

Mr Alan · 02-11-2014 05:22PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Who's getting paid big wages?

When you take into account cost versus what is being contributed, pretty much anyone bought in the last 2 years.

Mr Alan · 02-11-2014 05:24PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Who's getting paid big wages?

You didn't answer my question, why are you defending our ****e activity in the transfer market?

Rodgers has spent nearly a quarter of a billion pound on players & we have one of the highest wage bills in the league.

We should be doing much better than we are. Moaning about lack of money is cringeworthy.

Agent Coulson · 02-11-2014 05:29PM

Since FSG took control of Liverpool they have given Kenny & Brendan combined £325m buying 30 players.

5 maybe 6 of those players could be deemed a success for the guts of £100m.

I would have rather seen maybe another 5/6 player brought in for the other £200m that would have covered transfers and wages.

FSG aren't afraid to splash the cash it has just been splashed on the wrong players.

Chucky the tree · 02-11-2014 05:29PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Glen fcuking Johnson!!

Nearly broke the TV yesterday because of him, on a few occasions!

I meant in the new players signed.

Mr Alan wrote: »

When you take into account cost versus what is being contributed, pretty much anyone bought in the last 2 years.

Contributing to a second place finish you mean?

Mr Alan wrote: »

You didn't answer my question, why are you defending our ****e activity in the transfer market?

Rodgers has spent nearly a quarter of a billion pound on players & we have one of the highest wage bills in the league.

We should be doing much better than we are. Moaning about lack of money is cringeworthy.

And we finished 2nd in the league. I'd say we have the 5th highest wage bill at the moment, we're currently 7th so hardly a huge variation between the two.

JohnDaniels · 02-11-2014 05:33PM

First media focused article that I have seen on his transfer record just appeared. This is the start of the storm that is coming his way unless things turn around quick.

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/pitchside-europe/£215-2m-spent-and-two-hits--deconstructing-brendan-rodgers--awful-transfer-record-at-liverpool-125059097.html

Mr Alan · 02-11-2014 05:35PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Contributing to a second place finish you mean?

This is the funny thing.

Of Rodgers signings, only Sturridge made a really significant contribution to our second place finish. The main reason for second was Suarez, Gerrard, Sterling & Henderson (who Rodgers wanted rid of for £2.5m iirc)

Chucky The Tree wrote:

And we finished 2nd in the league. I'd say we have the 5th highest wage bill at the moment, we're currently 7th so hardly a huge variation between the two.

Source for the wage bill please.

Where are we on transfer spend. Surely that should be considered? When assessing the efficiency with which a teams finances are being utilised?

It really sounds like your saying we're doing about as well as could be expected in the transfer market?!

Chucky the tree · 02-11-2014 05:38PM

JohnDaniels wrote: »

First media focused article that I have seen on his transfer record just appeared. This is the start of the storm that is coming his way unless things turn around quick.

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/pitchside-europe/£215-2m-spent-and-two-hits--deconstructing-brendan-rodgers--awful-transfer-record-at-liverpool-125059097.html

Emre Can is a miss? :pac:

02-11-2014 05:38PM

Coutinhio was pretty important in some big games last year.

Mr Alan · 02-11-2014 05:42PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Coutinhio was pretty important in some big games last year.

Meh, he was very poor for large stretches of the season too. I like him as a player, but he wasn't one of our key players last season IMO

He had some big moments, but so did Skrtel!

SlickRic · 02-11-2014 05:43PM

something I didn't realise...

In 20 of the 22 games Rodgers' Liverpool has achieved a clean sheet in the League (Liverpool have played 58 games under Rodgers), Agger played in 20 of them.

wow.

Bowlardo · 02-11-2014 05:46PM

We waited 5 years to get back to the champions league. the minute we qualified we should have purchased 3 champions league proven quality players.
We didn't and now we are playing like a team with no direction.
It's a team of average.

If Rogers does not get 4th he should be sacked. simple as.

Chucky the tree · 02-11-2014 05:47PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

This is the funny thing.

Of Rodgers signings, only Sturridge made a really significant contribution to our second place finish. The main reason for second was Suarez, Gerrard, Sterling & Henderson (who Rodgers wanted rid of for £2.5m iirc)

Source for the wage bill please.

Where are we on transfer spend. Surely that should be considered? When assessing the efficiency with which a teams finances are being utilised?

It really sounds like your saying we're doing about as well as could be expected in the transfer market?!

Countinho did pretty well last season.

It should be considered, not sure where we are. I doubt we are miles ahead of United, Chelsea, city or Arsenal though if you included net spend.

Are you really saying we have a higher wage bill than United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal?

I'm not saying it's be as well as can be expected, I don't think it's been horrendous either though.

JohnDaniels · 02-11-2014 05:49PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Emre Can is a miss? :pac:

The article is terrible overall but the point is that the media knifes are sharping for him.

Mr Alan · 02-11-2014 05:56PM

SlickRic wrote: »

something I didn't realise...

In 20 of the 22 games Rodgers' Liverpool has achieved a clean sheet in the League (Liverpool have played 58 games under Rodgers), Agger played in 20 of them.

wow.

I pointed out numerous times last year that our best defensive performances ALWAYS came with Agger in the side.

Mr Alan · 02-11-2014 05:57PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I'm not saying it's be as well as can be expected, I don't think it's been horrendous either though.

Just for absolute clarity, you don't think our record in the transfer market has been horrendous under Rodgers.....?

Chucky the tree · 02-11-2014 06:00PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Just for absolute clarity, you don't think our record in the transfer market has been horrendous under Rodgers.....?

No. Just for clarity sake, why do you insist on playing Rodgers for the transfer when it's all done by committee?

Charlie19 · 02-11-2014 06:00PM

The clubs transfer record as a whole, has been dire for the last number of years
sure even Benitez's last few signings were muck.

Agent Coulson · 02-11-2014 06:05PM

Steve Nicol has been having his say.

The former Anfield star believes manager Brendan Rodgers’ tactics and the club’s new signings have to come into question following their below-par beginning to the campaign.

“To say they’ve been a disappointment is an understatement,” Nicol told Extra Time. “[This season] has been an absolute disaster. There is only one man missing from the squad they had last year and that’s Luis Suarez, everybody else is still there.

“Something has gone wrong somewhere down the line. All this teamwork and all this chemistry they had last year has disappeared

“The biggest question isn’t about Brendan’s tactics, which are questionable. The biggest question is actually, who is making the decisions on the signings?

http://talksport.com/football/something-has-gone-wrong-liverpool-nicol-slams-reds-tactics-and-signings-141102122249?

Pretty much what most on here have been saying.

02-11-2014 06:08PM

I remember reading last month we have signed 23 players under Rodgers/Committee.

2 have been a success imo. Sturridge and Coutinhio. One is a bloody sicknote though.

2 from 23 is a poor return, less than 10%.

Obviously this summers signings are too early to fully judge, lets face it. So I'm hoping that percentage rises!

marklazarcovic · 02-11-2014 06:09PM

were missing about 75% of our goals this season because were missing the 2 players who provided them,saying its the same bar suarez is rubbish

Chucky the tree · 02-11-2014 06:09PM

Most people would consider Sturridge missing from the squad, and a rather important piece to our team.

tok9 · 02-11-2014 06:12PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Steve Nicol has been having his say.

http://talksport.com/football/something-has-gone-wrong-liverpool-nicol-slams-reds-tactics-and-signings-141102122249?

Pretty much what most on here have been saying.

That's a bit unfair. We weren't able to hold onto Moses or Aspas either.

Mr Alan · 02-11-2014 06:13PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

No. Just for clarity sake, why do you insist on playing Rodgers for the transfer when it's all done by committee?

Because Rodgers has himself stated catagorically that he calls the shots re:transfers

dfx- · 02-11-2014 06:15PM

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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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