Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

Hococop · 17-10-2014 10:16AM

grames_bond wrote: »

If he is out of contract in the summer we could nab him alright, but if there is any truth to the 'gentlemans agreement' in relation to cleverly maybe a swap deal is on the cards - or money + tom!

If it was money and tom how much cash would it be? I'd guess 4-5 million

Lord TSC · 17-10-2014 10:16AM

Not sure how much I believe the Vlaar stories. Think its a case of us needing a defender, Vlaar being Dutch, Vlaar nearing the end of his contract, ergo 2+2=5.

No way I see us paying 12m for a 30 year old who has a few months left on his contract though. Maybe 7-8 at a push, but not 12. Say more likely we just do a swap for Cleverly or something....

Michael D Not Higgins · 17-10-2014 10:17AM

Hococop wrote: »

If it was money and tom how much cash would it be? I'd guess 4-5 million

I'd be happy with that.

Mitch Connor · 17-10-2014 10:21AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

probably already discussed, but looks like Ron Vlaar will be joining us in January.

he is out of contract in summer, Villa want £12million, though he could force a move for cheaper as he can sign a deal for free with a europe club like Vidic did.

I'll always take stories like that with a pinch of salt in international week. You get a lot of attemts to fill column spaces.

I don't doubt United have some level of interest, but I would be surprised if he was a primary target. I would still imagine a player like hummels will be a high priority target for United, along with some others. With Vlaar being an option if we can't get them and really need to sign a new CB in january.

I would doubt it is close to a done deal - and will very much depend on possibly moves for other CBs in January, and the form of Smalling, Jones and Evans if they ever get fit, i think Vlaar would fall into a scenario where we simply can't afford not to buy a CB, and we can't get higher priority targets.

Cantona's Collars · 17-10-2014 10:21AM

Looking like we'll have Jones,Carrick & Herrera available for Monday night.
At last some good news on the injury front.

Lord TSC · 17-10-2014 10:23AM

Where does Carrick fit though? Honestly, I don't think he should be starting ahead of Herrera, Blind or DiMaria, so I'm not really happy (or annoyed) at him being back. For me, he's a squad player now.

Leroy42 · 17-10-2014 10:25AM

Carrick can be brough on when we go 2-0 up and need to control the game, if there is one thing he can do well it is slowing down a game

Mitch Connor · 17-10-2014 10:27AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Where does Carrick fit though? Honestly, I don't think he should be starting ahead of Herrera, Blind or DiMaria, so I'm not really happy (or annoyed) at him being back. For me, he's a squad player now.

For me, it is between himself and Blind in the first choice line up where we go with a more attacking side, with Herrera and Di Maria as the box to box players.

I can see an option of Selecting along with Blind, and probably Herrera and then playing two wingers and one forward - if the game demands it. Would offer a more solid defensive base in big games.

I'd prefer to see him picked in midfield than Fletcher or Fellaini, so for me it is a big plus he is back.

Cantona's Collars · 17-10-2014 10:28AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Where does Carrick fit though? Honestly, I don't think he should be starting ahead of Herrera, Blind or DiMaria, so I'm not really happy (or annoyed) at him being back. For me, he's a squad player now.

I was thinking the same but then I'd be accused of my usual bias against Carrick.
Blind has proven to be better in that position,he does the same job but is so much better at moving the ball forward.I can't say I've missed the 5 yard sideways & backwards passing followed by the long diagonal to the wing.

Lord TSC · 17-10-2014 10:29AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I can see an option of Selecting along with Blind, and probably Herrera and then playing two wingers and one forward - if the game demands it. Would offer a more solid defensive base in big games.
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Certainly provides the option of going into the 4-3-3, but the fun then becomes which of the two strikers get dropped. Presumably we have DiMaria on one wing, but Rooney, RVP and Falcao then becomes a game of Kiss/Marry/Kill :P

Nolars · 17-10-2014 10:30AM

Carrick will be a good squad player when we are winning after 75 minutes and Di Maria is wrecked we can put Carrick in beside blind and see out the game.

homerjay2005 · 17-10-2014 10:30AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Not sure how much I believe the Vlaar stories. Think its a case of us needing a defender, Vlaar being Dutch, Vlaar nearing the end of his contract, ergo 2+2=5.

Miguel Delaney is the one thats reporting it, as we saw in August, he is the best source around for United stuff at the moment.

if says the deal is on the cards, then ive 100% faith in him.

I do hope however, we dont pay anywhere near £12m, he should be attained for no more than £4 or £5million. if they hold out for it, we should pull out until the summer, though Vlaar then has multiple options if we do that.

Pro. F · 17-10-2014 10:30AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Where does Carrick fit though? Honestly, I don't think he should be starting ahead of Herrera, Blind or DiMaria, so I'm not really happy (or annoyed) at him being back. For me, he's a squad player now.

Carrick taking Blind's place for a few games would be reasonable given what we've seen so far. Although you could argue Blind deserves more time to prove what he can do and Carrick will need to be reintroduced gradually anyway.

Cantona's Collars · 17-10-2014 10:38AM

Pro. F wrote: »

Carrick taking Blind's place for a few games would be reasonable given what we've seen so far. Although you could argue Blind deserves more time to prove what he can do and Carrick will need to be reintroduced gradually anyway.

I can imagine LVG's reaction when he sees Carrick time & again doing just like Valencia did here.

Pro. F · 17-10-2014 10:40AM

zerks wrote: »

I can imagine LVG's reaction when he sees Carrick time & again doing just like Valencia did here.

I'm no fan of Carrick but Blind has been no better so far.

Backstreet Moyes · 17-10-2014 10:42AM

zerks wrote: »

I was thinking the same but then I'd be accused of my usual bias against Carrick.
Blind has proven to be better in that position,he does the same job but is so much better at moving the ball forward.I can't say I've missed the 5 yard sideways & backwards passing followed by the long diagonal to the wing.

How has Blind proven to be better in that position. The only game i could say he done well was QPR which was no test.

WE conceded 5 against Leicester, we got overrun in the second half against West Ham, Blind was good the first half against Everton when he was given time and space he was poor in the second half when they pressed more.

Carrick's positioning and covering the back 4 is far superior imo. Also their is a big difference in what Carrick played with and what Blind played with. Carrick had Anderson, Giggs, Cleverley etc to show for the ball.

Blind has had Herrera and Di Maria looking for the ball a fair difference in the quality of midfielder showing for the ball.

Carrick has a good passing range we signed him for his ability playing further up the field. Fergie moved him deeper protecting the back 4 and keeping it simple and he has been very good at it.

Mitch Connor · 17-10-2014 10:44AM

zerks wrote: »

I was thinking the same but then I'd be accused of my usual bias against Carrick.
Blind has proven to be better in that position,he does the same job but is so much better at moving the ball forward.I can't say I've missed the 5 yard sideways & backwards passing followed by the long diagonal to the wing.

He looked good in a game he was hardly touched vs QPR. He was no better than anyone else defensively in the shambles vs Leicster. WEst Ham he looked good enough, but our defence was still under massive pressure.

I like him, and I do think he is looking good - but I think he is far too soon to be saying he has proven better in a position Carrick has proven himself in before. 3 games. Yes, he was poor last season but he knows that himself, and I think Moyes didn't use him well. I think Carricks general style could suit LVG and we could see him return to something like 2012/13 - which would be a great boost for the squad.

The_Kew_Tour · 17-10-2014 10:48AM

Im bit mixed on Blind so far, but got give him bit more time yet.

He is at worst good enough squad player, just wonder can he be 1st choice.

Cantona's Collars · 17-10-2014 10:58AM

A lot of blaming our midfield for the shambles against Leicester,remember a lot of our problems stemmed from direct balls over our defence that they seemed incapable of defending.This is nothing new,I remember Liverpool doing the same against us.We were opened up time & again by Sunday League style long balls.

kryogen · 17-10-2014 11:06AM

Carrick is over his injury, but he is a long way from being sharp enough to slot straight back in, so it will be a case of slow reintroduction to the team. I feel he will still be an important player for us over the season. We need someone who can come in and take the sting out of a game.

Cantona's Collars · 17-10-2014 11:08AM

kryogen wrote: »

Carrick is over his injury, but he is a long way from being sharp enough to slot straight back in, so it will be a case of slow reintroduction to the squad. I feel he will still be an important player for us over the season. We need someone who can come in and take the sting out of a game.

FYP,it's nice to have a squad rather than Carrick & the clown show we've had.

bangkok · 17-10-2014 11:09AM

zerks wrote: »

I can imagine LVG's reaction when he sees Carrick time & again doing just like Valencia did here.

I don't think you will see carrick doing much of that to be honest. He is one of our players that passes forward most of the time and the stats are there to prove it

Pro. F · 17-10-2014 11:12AM

zerks wrote: »

A lot of blaming our midfield for the shambles against Leicester,remember a lot of our problems stemmed from direct balls over our defence that they seemed incapable of defending.This is nothing new,I remember Liverpool doing the same against us.We were opened up time & again by Sunday League style long balls.

The back four were very disorganised that game, no doubt. But the midfield were also rubbish at holding onto the ball when we were under pressure. It's been the same all season, other than Di Maria shaping the game by beating multiple opponents on his own, the midfield has been muck at controlling the game. Blind has been the biggest culprit in that.

MagicMarker · 17-10-2014 11:12AM

bangkok wrote: »

I don't think you will see carrick doing much of that to be honest. He is one of our players that passes forward most of the time and the stats are there to prove it

I think you'll find stats prove most players pass forward most of the time.

Pro. F · 17-10-2014 11:15AM

kryogen wrote: »

Carrick is over his injury, but he is a long way from being sharp enough to slot straight back in, so it will be a case of slow reintroduction to the team. I feel he will still be an important player for us over the season. We need someone who can come in and take the sting out of a game.

Pity we spent all that money and didn't buy a central midfielder who could have been clearly better than Carrick, sting removal and all.

kryogen · 17-10-2014 11:16AM

Pro. F wrote: »

The back four were very disorganised that game, no doubt. But the midfield were also rubbish at holding onto the ball when we were under pressure. It's been the same all season, other than Di Maria shaping the game by beating multiple opponents on his own, the midfield has been muck at controlling the game. Blind has been the biggest culprit in that.

Yeah, well, he is still twice the player TC23 is!!!!

*Runs and takes cover

keane2097 · 17-10-2014 11:20AM

There aren't really any midfields that don't struggle when opposition press them in a concerted way high up the pitch.

Cantona's Collars · 17-10-2014 11:20AM

kryogen wrote: »

Yeah, well, he is still twice the player TC23 is!!!!

*Runs and takes cover

Jaysus,even "Turn back Tony" played better in midfield than TC23.

bangkok · 17-10-2014 11:25AM

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/22081499

akelly02 · 17-10-2014 11:26AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

How has Blind proven to be better in that position. The only game i could say he done well was QPR which was no test.

WE conceded 5 against Leicester, we got overrun in the second half against West Ham, Blind was good the first half against Everton when he was given time and space he was poor in the second half when they pressed more.

Carrick's positioning and covering the back 4 is far superior imo. Also their is a big difference in what Carrick played with and what Blind played with. Carrick had Anderson, Giggs, Cleverley etc to show for the ball.

Blind has had Herrera and Di Maria looking for the ball a fair difference in the quality of midfielder showing for the ball.

Carrick has a good passing range we signed him for his ability playing further up the field. Fergie moved him deeper protecting the back 4 and keeping it simple and he has been very good at it.

Ok, Keep a good eye on Carricks 'Positioning' etc over the next few months, its nowhere near the level of Blind, he doesnt tackle at all, never mind as well as Blind, and he's as slow as the Titanic. IMO there isnt one thing Carrick can do that Blind cant do better.

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