Ebola virus outbreak

Canis Lupus · 16-10-2014 12:08PM

Akrasia wrote: »

If there are no symptoms and if test results come back negative after about 21 days, the passengers are in the clear. But We don't really need to wait 3 weeks. There won't be any infections from the nurse on the plane. Ebola is no more contagious than AIDS before the patient is severely symptomatic and the viral loads are high. Even when the nurse first started to feel feverish, she may still have shown up negative on an ebola test because viral loads would still have been low.

That's not what he wants to hear.

littlemac1980 · 16-10-2014 12:12PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

So the original case in the US back on the 1st Oct? I would hope lessons have been learned since he was brought in and treated. They are already in the process of tracking the contacts of the recent nurse who travelled.

And all they will have then is a list of contacts.

Lists are just that - just lists. It's what you decide to do with them that counts.

The Nurse who took the flight was on a list. She was even on that list a few days after it had been discovered that one of her colleagues had in fact contracted ebola from Mr. Duncan - and that there was a much higher risk others would too (including her).

Yet they let her fly.

Why? Because they were over-confident and complacent.

The people responsible for reacting to possible Ebola cases in the Western World reacted like many of the less well informed posters here - like fools! - "Oh, sure its only really an issue in Africa where they haven't the sense nor knowhow to deal with anything"... "We'll be fine here, we have the best facilities and experts available".

One thing is for sure from the recent events in the US - the Africans are far more clued in to the dangers of this disease than the US are. The African's have been through it before. The US authorities are muppets.

Permitting that nurse to fly under circumstances where it was known another fellow nurse had already contracted the virus from Mr. Duncan, and the likelihood was there were going to be other cases among the list of medical staff and contacts of Mr. Duncan demonstrates the lowest level of intelligence imaginable - Far far lower than that we typically pre-judge may be common is Third-World countries.

Poor people in poor circumstances can be sensible despite their lack of formal education. All the education, degrees and experts in the World are no substitute for common-sense - which is clearly lacking in the US.

snubbleste · 16-10-2014 12:17PM

Madrid airport gone into panic mode due to a suspected ebola case arrival from Nigeria via Paris
http://www.abc.es/sociedad/20141016/abci-avion-france-ebola-201410161332.html

Lucy and Harry · 16-10-2014 12:19PM

http://bit.ly/1ocnn94 Person tested in Louth for Ebola.

realweirdo · 16-10-2014 12:22PM

youtube! wrote: »

So the 2nd nurse who became infected had flew on a plane with 132 on board, this is gonna be interesting to see how many (if any) get the disease, if nothing else it will tell us a lot about transmission chances.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29632433

Absolutely...and so many questions that could be answered too. Eg did she use the toilet? Did she shake hands with someone, did she touch anyone, what about the next person using the seat on the next flight? did she touch surfaces etc. This was a monumental c#ck up which could have put hundreds of people at risk. All that can be hoped is she wasn't shedding virus or if she was no-one picked it up. Luckily its not a truely airborne disease.

Streetwalker · 16-10-2014 12:22PM

Not going to take much for this thing to go south. The world just hasn't done enough.

Kenno90 · 16-10-2014 12:22PM

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

http://bit.ly/1ocnn94 Person tested in Louth for Ebola.

It says right in the title that tests proved negitive

realweirdo · 16-10-2014 12:26PM

Akrasia wrote: »

If there are no symptoms and if test results come back negative after about 21 days, the passengers are in the clear. But We don't really need to wait 3 weeks. There won't be any infections from the nurse on the plane. Ebola is no more contagious than AIDS before the patient is severely symptomatic and the viral loads are high. Even when the nurse first started to feel feverish, she may still have shown up negative on an ebola test because viral loads would still have been low.

All the passengers will be subject to limited self monitoring I'd say. The texas outbreak, limited as yet shows how hard it is to track the spread of an outbreak. At least in liberia most people move around on foot which limits the spread geographically. In the US there all kinds of transport options which could make tracking impossible. I don't want to spread panic but theres cause for some alarm and burying our heads in the sand is certainly not an option.

Lucy and Harry · 16-10-2014 12:28PM

Kenno90 wrote: »

It says right in the title that tests proved negitive

Yeah but a close shave.We have not stopped planes landing fron infected places still.How is that quaranteen.:pac:

Peist2007 · 16-10-2014 12:28PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

That's not what he wants to hear.

Still annoyed over yesterday? Bless...

Lucy and Harry · 16-10-2014 12:31PM

The Irish Medical Organisation is concerned that no extra resources have been put in place for public doctors.

The body highlighted a number of areas for concern which they believe show we're not dealing with the threat properly.

These concerns include:

The wisdom of advising patients with Ebola systems to visit their GP, "when GP surgeries are not the appropriate setting". The IMO said this advice is "potentially dangerous"

The imperative to establish sufficiently robust protocols for suspected cases in an Emergency Department setting

The imperative to train sufficient numbers of Hospital staff in responding to infectious diseases generally.

The shortage of Public Health Doctors in general and the lack of support services for those in place.

The critical need for agreed arrangements for dealing with circumstances where medical staff have to deal with a patient displaying symptoms of Ebola.

We are fubar if this gets to us.''Go to a GP doctor and sit in the waiting room'' what the hell.

smash · 16-10-2014 12:34PM

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Yeah but a close shave.We have not stopped planes landing fron infected places still.How is that quaranteen.:pac:

Not really. It's like saying I had a close shave to having an accident this morning on the M50 because someone drove along side me.

Maximus Alexander · 16-10-2014 12:35PM

smash wrote: »

Not really. It's like saying I had a close shave to having an accident this morning on the M50 because someone drove along side me.

Don't be talking sense.

Turtwig · 16-10-2014 12:37PM

realweirdo wrote: »

At least in liberia most people move around on foot which limits the spread geographically. In the US there all kinds of transport options which could make tracking impossible. I don't want to spread panic but theres cause for some alarm and burying our heads in the sand is certainly not an option.

Sorry but this is completely incorrect. Part of the problem in Liberia has been the transportation of dead bodies and traditional mass migrations of people's in taxiis from one geographic region to the next. People there rarely stayed in the one location and travelled all over the country. In the US infected dead bodies weren't being transported in contact with other people. Also, in the US, it's far far easier to log who took what mode of transport and the level of connections, even though it was an airplane use is far far less. Americans even have far greater awareness of ebola. Authorities also likely have at least 7 days before anyone becomes a risk of disease transmission. Tracking will be difficult but it's no where near the nightmare scenario it is in the three primary affected countries, particularly liberia.

snubbleste · 16-10-2014 12:41PM

snubbleste wrote: »

Madrid airport gone into panic mode due to a suspected ebola case arrival from Nigeria via Paris
http://www.abc.es/sociedad/20141016/abci-avion-france-ebola-201410161332.html

Current AirFrance in Madrid
http://estaticos02.elmundo.es/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2014/10/16/14134623190298.jpg

Canis Lupus · 16-10-2014 12:41PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Still annoyed over yesterday? Bless...

Annoyed about what exactly? I'm right though aren't I. I'm not sure why you're so hopeful that people on the plane catch ebola just so you can win an internet argument. It's creepy.

wexie · 16-10-2014 12:41PM

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Yeah but a close shave.We have not stopped planes landing fron infected places still.How is that quaranteen.:pac:

errr...yeah we have, we've stopped ALL direct flights from Freetown, Brazzaville and Monrovia :rolleyes:

There are still some flights coming in from the US but I think you'll find stopping those might be somewhat politically and economically problematic

Peist2007 · 16-10-2014 12:44PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Annoyed about what exactly? I'm right though aren't I. I'm not sure why you're so hopeful that people on the plane catch ebola just so you can win an internet argument. It's creepy.

Where did i say i was hopeful people catch ebola? I asked how long exactly the incubation period was for those on the plane with the nurse. How do you take that i want them to catch it from that? Bizarre and a sign you have completely nothing to come back with

My name is URL · 16-10-2014 12:47PM

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Yeah but a close shave.We have not stopped planes landing fron infected places still.How is that quaranteen.:pac:

That's because there are no direct flights to Ireland from affected countries in West Africa.

Do you think we should bar all flights from the US, Spain etc?

16-10-2014 12:50PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

That's not what he wants to hear.

Peist2007 wrote: »

Still annoyed over yesterday? Bless...

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Annoyed about what exactly? I'm right though aren't I. I'm not sure why you're so hopeful that people on the plane catch ebola just so you can win an internet argument. It's creepy.

Peist2007 wrote: »

Where did i say i was hopeful people catch ebola? I asked how long exactly the incubation period was for those on the plane with the nurse. How do you take that i want them to catch it from that? Bizarre and a sign you have completely nothing to come back with

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Ignore each other please.

Canis Lupus · 16-10-2014 12:51PM

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realweirdo · 16-10-2014 01:07PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Sorry but this is completely incorrect. Part of the problem in Liberia has been the transportation of dead bodies and traditional mass migrations of people's in taxiis from one geographic region to the next. People there rarely stayed in the one location and travelled all over the country. In the US infected dead bodies weren't being transported in contact with other people. Also, in the US, it's far far easier to log who took what mode of transport and the level of connections, even though it was an airplane use is far far less. Americans even have far greater awareness of ebola. Authorities also likely have at least 7 days before anyone becomes a risk of disease transmission. Tracking will be difficult but it's no where near the nightmare scenario it is in the three primary affected countries, particularly liberia.

Not really talking about transport of dead bodies.
As for tracking who was in close contact with someone you can't track people who use a subway, buses or taxis.As for airplanes not only do you have to track every passenger but you have to track their contacts too. Likewise subway passengers. You understand it now why the US might struggle to track people as opposed to places like Liberia where there is no subway and little use of trains or air travel?

ProfessorPlum · 16-10-2014 01:22PM

realweirdo wrote: »

Not really talking about transport of dead bodies.
As for tracking who was in close contact with someone you can't track people who use a subway, buses or taxis.As for airplanes not only do you have to track every passenger but you have to track their contacts too. Likewise subway passengers. You understand it now why the US might struggle to track people as opposed to places like Liberia where there is no subway and little use of trains or air travel?

So you're telling me that if someone was on an airplane yesterday and subsequently tested positive for Ebola, not only are the other passengers on the plane at risk, but also the other passengers' contacts. Gosh, that is serious:rolleyes:

EDit · 16-10-2014 01:22PM

Just watching the WHO news conference and the lady speaking made a good point about having a telephone number for people to call if they feel they have a good chance of being infected. The Irish government should be setting that up now (vs waiting for cases to appear) and advertising it widely so that people who might be infected know to stay home and call that number rather than waltzing into the GP office or local AE dept and potentially infecting dozens of other people. Disseminating the info might well scare a few people and it is possible (let's hope) that the phone number never gets used, but I'd certainly feel better if their appeared to be a clear set of instructions for what you should do if you think you have been infected (based on containment/quarantine of yourself and anyone living with you) if the worst does happen.

realweirdo · 16-10-2014 01:39PM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

So you're telling me that if someone was on an airplane yesterday and subsequently tested positive for Ebola, not only are the other passengers on the plane at risk, but also the other passengers' contacts. Gosh, that is serious:rolleyes:

In a really worst case scenario where a highly infected person made it onto a subway train but its highly unlikely to ever happen, and they will hopefully have this outbreak contained long before then.

ProfessorPlum · 16-10-2014 01:45PM

realweirdo wrote: »

In a really worst case scenario where a highly infected person made it onto a subway train but its highly unlikely to ever happen, and they will hopefully have this outbreak contained long before then.

You're just making it up as you go along now.

realweirdo · 16-10-2014 01:52PM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

You're just making it up as you go along now.

To quote Jack Nicolson...I have neither the time or the inclination...which I don't..if you haven't copped on to how ebola has spread I'm not going to waste my precious time with you. Please rebury your head in the sand and don't bother responding to me again.