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Ebola virus outbreak

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  • #1952
    I am pie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    sashafierce wrote: »
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    Your theory is that the existing scientific body of knowledge is wrong?

    Nice theory.


  • #1953
    sashafierce
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  • #1954
    crannglas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭crannglas


    realweirdo wrote: »
    Luckily there are no direct flights to dublin. They'd have to fly via the UK, where hopefully there is some sort of screening.

    Oddly that never stopped people before lol


  • #1955
    realweirdo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 974 ✭✭✭realweirdo


    The problem with places like Liberia is there is underreporting and also that hospitals are turning people away.

    This means victims are dying at home and thus going through the most infectious stage at home, potentially spreading it to family members who treat them or who move their body after death, while unprotected themselves.

    It really is an issue of resources in Liberia. When people are turned away because of a lack of units or people to treat them, that is a massive reason why it spreads so rapidly.

    Unfortunately the west had not allocated enough resources to deal with this. It will remain that way until countries like Germany, France, UK, Japan and all the relatively rich nations pull the finger out and commit to this fight, instead of as usual outsourcing the solution (and the blame) to the United States.


  • #1956
    Godge
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    I am pie wrote: »
    Aye, that was kind of my point.

    Strangely africans living in poverty in rural sierra leone aren't likely to be spending the average annual wage on a flight into heathrow.

    I bet almost no one is stopped at the UK airport borders puking up ebola left right and centre coming in from a direct African flight. If they profile it will work against them. More likely to crop up in southern spain and the italian med, migrants crossing on boats in cramped conditions.

    Frankly, those porous borders are likely to be much more of a problem than direct flights.

    I don't know.

    Say you are a medical worker with some money put away. You have family in the UK or Ireland. You have been working with Ebola. You have a slight temperature.

    What would you do? Would you hop on a plane and go to a Western country to be treated? Or would you stay in West Africa and take your chances?


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  • #1957
    I am pie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    sashafierce wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I don't think you understand what "that way" means here. Have a look back through the thread, it includes fluid produced by coughing and sneezing which can be ingested via the nose, eyes or mouth..basically the soft membranes.

    Not like HIV at all really.


  • #1958
    I am pie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    Godge wrote: »
    I don't know.

    Say you are a medical worker with some money put away. You have family in the UK or Ireland. You have been working with Ebola. You have a slight temperature.

    What would you do? Would you hop on a plane and go to a Western country to be treated? Or would you stay in West Africa and take your chances?

    I think you are probably vastly over estimating how much a flight from Liberia or Sierra Leone costs vs the capacity of a local nurse to save money and travel. I guarantee it's more limiting than you think.


  • #1959
    realweirdo
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    sashafierce wrote: »
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    Its much more infectious than HIV. It can be spread by numerous means. A person sweating can spread it with a handshake or any touching I'd imagine. Also from tears and other ways. The body secretes bodily fluids in numerous ways.


  • #1960
    sashafierce
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  • #1961
    Lucy and Harry
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    They are backward in some places too they wash the body of the dead ebola family member as its culture to do so.Then every body has it.
    People are still also eating bush meat which is what they got this from.


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  • #1962
    realweirdo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 974 ✭✭✭realweirdo


    I am pie wrote: »
    I think you are probably vastly over estimating how much a flight from Liberia or Sierra Leone costs vs the capacity of a local nurse to save money and travel. I guarantee it's more limiting than you think.

    Of course its not going to be an ordinary poor person who travels from there to here. It will more than likely be a western doctor, nurse or aid worker. And so far that's been the case in places like Spain. Or it will be Liberian or Sierra Leonian expats who are reasonably well off in the west but travel back and forth to west africa on a regular basis.


  • #1963
    sashafierce
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  • #1964
    realweirdo
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    sashafierce wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Yeh, I agree, any physical contact puts you at risk.


  • #1965
    I am pie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    realweirdo wrote: »
    Of course its not going to be an ordinary poor person who travels from there to here. It will more than likely be a western doctor, nurse or aid worker. And so far that's been the case in places like Spain. Or it will be Liberian or Sierra Leonian expats who are reasonably well off in the west but travel back and forth to west africa on a regular basis.

    It won't be a african nurse or aid worker as they aren't paid like their western colleagues.

    Dr's maybe, but I don't believe they will be on the front line.


  • #1966
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,485 ✭✭✭✭josip


    crannglas wrote: »
    Anybody read the poll on who is next for the Ebola virus to hit? UK is sixth on poll and France and Spain. Top three places Irish travel. Then nigeria . We have way go to much traffic. I reckon first sign of it hitting any places Irish traveling from or other nationalities. They need screening before being landed. And if gets worse close down borders with all flights travel and trucks bringing on imports. The we don't need to screen is complete negligence by Irish government
    They will wait till it gets here (when there really should be no way it could) and someone dies before they do anything.

    I must have ebola. I couldn't follow this.
    I am pie wrote: »
    Aye, that was kind of my point.

    Strangely africans living in poverty in rural sierra leone aren't likely to be spending the average annual wage on a flight into heathrow.

    I bet almost no one is stopped at the UK airport borders puking up ebola left right and centre coming in from a direct African flight. If they profile it will work against them. More likely to crop up in southern spain and the italian med, migrants crossing on boats in cramped conditions.

    Frankly, those porous borders are likely to be much more of a problem than direct flights.

    According to the UK there are no direct flights from the 3 affected countries to the UK.
    They usually transfer via CDG or Schipol.
    And 85% of those that transfer come to Heathrow.
    Where their screening will detect you.
    "Screening" is a questionaire by the way and unless you answer yes to all the questions

    • Have you come from West Africa?
    • Do you have a fever?
    • Is there blood coming from your mouth and bum?

    you're unlikely to be checked further.
    The UK have said they expect everyone to disclose all details willingly.:rolleyes:


  • #1967
    Lord Trollington
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    Was listening to Newtalk last week and they had a professor of biochemistry on from UCD or Trinity and he insisted that there will be a vaccine against it, can't remember what reasons he used but its several months away still.


  • #1968
    Lord Trollington
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    josip wrote: »
    I must have ebola. I couldn't follow this.



    According to the UK there are no direct flights from the 3 affected countries to the UK.
    They usually transfer via CDG or Schipol.
    And 85% of those that transfer come to Heathrow.
    Where their screening will detect you.
    "Screening" is a questionaire by the way and unless you answer yes to all the questions

    • Have you come from West Africa?
    • Do you have a fever?
    • Is there blood coming from your mouth and bum?

    you're unlikely to be checked further.
    The UK have said they expect everyone to disclose all details willingly.:rolleyes:

    Where does the other 15% go.


  • #1969
    crannglas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭crannglas


    josip wrote: »
    I must have ebola. I couldn't follow this.



    According to the UK there are no direct flights from the 3 affected countries to the UK. Í
    They usually transfer via CDG or Schipol.
    And 85% of those that transfer come to Heathrow.
    Where their screening will detect you.
    "Screening" is a questionaire by the way and unless you answer yes to all the questions

    • Have you come from West Africa?
    • Do you have a fever?
    • Is there blood coming from your mouth and bum?

    you're unlikely to be checked further.
    The UK have said they expect everyone to disclose all details willingly.:rolleyes:

    Lol sorry I am phone. The stats published said UK will be sixth country to get cases of Ebola. France is on the list also. Right cause humans afraid will tell truth.


  • #1970
    Streetwalker
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    I don't think anyone is panicking but the numbers of dead and infected in Africa is very alarming indeed. I wouldn't want this thing to get in and about a major City like Hong Kong, Lagos or Mexico City. I hope it doesn't continue on it's current upward trajectory because it's only a matter of time before it goes worldwide then.


  • #1971
    realweirdo
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    I am pie wrote: »
    It won't be a african nurse or aid worker as they aren't paid like their western colleagues.

    Dr's maybe, but I don't believe they will be on the front line.

    I didn't say it would be an african nurse or aid worker. I said it would be a western nurse or aid worker. Or ex pats from these countries who can afford to travel back and forth, such as the Liberian who died in Texas. And he wasn't that particularly well off by western standards. The more people who become infected in these countries, the more likely those who can afford to fly in and out of the country will be infected.


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  • #1972
    realweirdo
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    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    Was listening to Newtalk last week and they had a professor of biochemistry on from UCD or Trinity and he insisted that there will be a vaccine against it, can't remember what reasons he used but its several months away still.

    There is little or no chance a vaccine to treat hundreds of millions of people will be available anytime soon. To come up with that number of doses would take an astronomical effort. And one of the main companies involved employs only 100 people from what I read, another example of the lack of seriousness given to developing a vaccine.


  • #1973
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,021 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Here is a post on reddit from someone who claims to be getting this info from people who work in the hospital in Dallas. I know these sort of accounts should be taken with a grain of salt but a user on the same site previously revealed the second case a day before it was released to the media citing hospital sources. If this is true then it shows that they are very worried about this.
    I'm passing along information that is coming from the nurses, and in particular one buddy who's girlfriend is a nurse who treated Duncan. Who knows if what they are being told is accurate, but at the moment the story is that it is a few nurses and a doc that treated Duncan that are allegedly running fevers and under high surveillance. I have been told that everyone in this group is someone that saw or treated Duncan in one of his two ER visits before he was a confirmed case.
    I think it's also worth noting that these cases in Dallas are being kept top secret until confirmed. We saw this behavior with both Dallas nurses. If we find out today they are infected, it may have been 2-3 days ago that they first became concerned, which would put them right in the window.
    As of right now my buddy's girlfriend is under quarantine at the hospital that she works along with the other nurses. They were taken there this morning and have not been allowed to leave. Family members have been contacted by the FBI to bring them personal items. When they were treating Duncan, they were not allowed to bring their cell phones into the hospital. I have to assume that is still the case here but I have not had that confirmed to me.


  • #1974
    realweirdo
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    Duncan died 8th October. He was in hospital for 11 days. Let's assume he was shedding virus for the last 4-5 days. And it takes two weeks for those infected to display serious symptoms. That would mean over the next few days we will begin to know who else has been infected from the dallas hospital. My guess is there will be more confirmed cases.

    And while there migntn't be direct flights to Ireland from West Africa, the same cannot be said about flights from the US.


  • #1975
    JONJO THE MISER
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    josip wrote: »
    For all the panic merchants
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057262598

    I proposed that forum so i did.


  • #1976
    [Deleted User]
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    Below is a link to Statement by Nurses, who treated Thomas Duncan , of the conditions they faced when treating him

    Nurses Union are rightly furious

    NationalNursesUnited @NationalNurses
    Follow
    Breach of protocol? Dallas #nurses say hospital had no protocol. #ebola
    12:58 AM - 15 Oct 2014



    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/15/heres-the-newly-released-list-of-conditions-dallas-nurses-say-they-faced-while-treating-ebola-patient/


  • #1977
    Creative Juices
    Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭Creative Juices


    realweirdo wrote: »
    There is little or no chance a vaccine to treat hundreds of millions of people will be available anytime soon. To come up with that number of doses would take an astronomical effort. And one of the main companies involved employs only 100 people from what I read, another example of the lack of seriousness given to developing a vaccine.

    GSK are already accelerating vaccine production and clinical trials. Now that it's in the States I can guarantee you that they will fast track full approval similar to H1N1. Money talks - the cost/benefit to date was never there but now governments are demanding a solution and prepared to make money available. GSK have the facilities to have these vaccines starting mass production by November with the final phase of clinical trials running in parallel.


  • #1978
    nyarlothothep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Almost completely false. HIV and Ebola both survive in bodily fluids. Ebola spreads a bit easier than HIV but not much. It is destroyed by exposure to UV light (sunlight) so it doesn't really last outside the body for very long.

    If you read my post properly, which you didn't, then you would realise that I don't deny that both are transmitted by fluids but that it is misleading to equate the two under the mode of transmission.


  • #1979
    josip
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    Creative Juices wrote: »
    GSK are already accelerating vaccine production and clinical trials. Now that it's in the States I can guarantee you that they will fast track full approval similar to H1N1. Money talks - the cost/benefit to date was never there but now governments are demanding a solution and prepared to make money available. GSK have the facilities to have these vaccines starting mass production by November with the final phase of clinical trials running in parallel.

    And this is what happens when you fast track a vaccine
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/780114


  • #1980
    Tin Foil Hat
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    josip wrote: »
    And this is what happens when you fast track a vaccine
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/780114

    You get asked for a username and password?


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  • #1981
    Creative Juices
    Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭Creative Juices


    On I know full well the perils of fast tracked trials and approval. The swine flu episode was and still is a disgrace and the WHO were tarnished as a result.
    I did not take the swine flu vaccine and I would not take the ebola one either.


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