Fluoride update re IQ

12-10-2014 12:19PM

If you got your wish , how would you expect the government to justify the change in policy and what would the implications be for other fluoride containing products/foodstuffs?

12-10-2014 12:27PM

weisses wrote: »

Where did I state that ?

And please stop the anwser a question with a question approach

So then you agree with him when he claims that there is scientific evidence that fluoridation is dangerous then?
If not, then you believe his is presenting falsehoods to manipulate the public into banning fluoride.

I believe that this is a very underhanded, bad and potentially dangerous think for a politician to do, and I think it's incredibly ironic that you are applauding him for it.

You don't believe that tea is dangerous even though it's got a much higher dose.
It doesn't make sense that you would believe water is more dangerous with a lower dose.

weisses · 12-10-2014 02:01PM

King Mob wrote: »

So then you agree with him when he claims that there is scientific evidence that fluoridation is dangerous then?
If not, then you believe his is presenting falsehoods to manipulate the public into banning fluoride.

I believe that this is a very underhanded, bad and potentially dangerous think for a politician to do, and I think it's incredibly ironic that you are applauding him for it.

You don't believe that tea is dangerous even though it's got a much higher dose.
It doesn't make sense that you would believe water is more dangerous with a lower dose.

That is a No then to my question to show where I stated several times that I do not agree that it is dangerous.

enno99 · 12-10-2014 02:02PM

Tea

Studies of humans, animals, and petri-dish experiments show that tea is high beneficial to our health. Research suggests that regular tea drinkers -- people who drink two cups or more a day -- have less heart disease and stroke, lower total and LDL cholesterol, and recover from heart attacks faster. There's also evidence that tea may help fight ovarian and breast cancers.

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/health-benefits-tea

Studies of humans and animals show that the antioxidants in black and green teas are highly beneficial to our health, says 82-year-old John Weisburger, PhD, senior researcher at the Institute for Cancer Prevention in Valhalla, N.Y.

"I've published more than 500 papers, including a hell of a lot on tea," says Weisburger, who drinks 10 cups daily. "I was the first American researcher to show that tea modifies the metabolism to detoxify harmful chemicals."

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/antioxidants-in-green-and-black-tea

Perhaps nature finds its own balance

weisses · 12-10-2014 02:03PM

jh79 wrote: »

No , because there is no evidence for adverse effects in any country with less than 1ppm flouride in their water. The first sign of getting close to an unsafe level would be fluorosis . Mild cosmetic only fluorosis indicates that we don't exceed the safe dose.

And at what levels does that start to occur ?

How much ppm could ones daily intake go up to according to you ?

12-10-2014 02:05PM

weisses wrote: »

That is a No then to my question to show where I stated several times that I do not agree that it is dangerous.

You have said that there isn't any evidence of toxicity at sub 1ppm levels but that the safe level is getting lower over time. Would that be a fair assesment of where you stand

weisses · 12-10-2014 02:05PM

enno99 wrote: »

Tea

Studies of humans, animals, and petri-dish experiments show that tea is high beneficial to our health. Research suggests that regular tea drinkers -- people who drink two cups or more a day -- have less heart disease and stroke, lower total and LDL cholesterol, and recover from heart attacks faster. There's also evidence that tea may help fight ovarian and breast cancers.

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/health-benefits-tea

Studies of humans and animals show that the antioxidants in black and green teas are highly beneficial to our health, says 82-year-old John Weisburger, PhD, senior researcher at the Institute for Cancer Prevention in Valhalla, N.Y.

"I've published more than 500 papers, including a hell of a lot on tea," says Weisburger, who drinks 10 cups daily. "I was the first American researcher to show that tea modifies the metabolism to detoxify harmful chemicals."

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/antioxidants-in-green-and-black-tea

Perhaps nature finds its own balance

I think there was a study done on cheap brands of Tea having high levels of fluoride in it (I posted them in the other closed thread)

I think different blends of Tea can be very beneficial

12-10-2014 02:08PM

weisses wrote: »

And at what levels does that start to occur ?

How much ppm could ones daily intake go up to according to you ?

According to the forum for fluoridation that figure is between 1.2 and 2ppm a litre for cosmetic fluorosis..

So that would be approximately double what we have now.

weisses · 12-10-2014 02:09PM

jh79 wrote: »

If you got your wish , how would you expect the government to justify the change in policy and what would the implications be for other fluoride containing products/foodstuffs?

Government is worried about legal/claim implications, that's why its maintaining the status quo

You do realize concerning the other foodstuff that a consumer actually has a simple choice not to consume it

12-10-2014 02:10PM

weisses wrote: »

I think there was a study done on cheap brands of Tea having high levels of fluoride in it (I posted them in the other closed thread)

I think different blends of Tea can be very beneficial

All brands listed by Waugh contained between 1.7 and 3ppm a litre fluoride.

So do you believe tea has a safe level of fluoride?

weisses · 12-10-2014 02:10PM

jh79 wrote: »

According to the forum for fluoridation that figure is between 1.2 and 2ppm a litre for cosmetic fluorosis..

So that would be approximately double what we have now.

What is your estimate in how much fluoride (ppm) is someone exposed to on a daily basis (taking in effect all we eat and drink) and coal burning as well ?

12-10-2014 02:12PM

weisses wrote: »

Government is worried about legal/claim implications, that's why its maintaining the status quo

You do realize concerning the other foodstuff that a consumer actually has a simple choice not to consume it

The government is following best practice based on the evidence available.

But they have to be safe for the consumer too or restricted to ensure safe use.

weisses · 12-10-2014 02:12PM

jh79 wrote: »

All brands listed by Waugh contained between 1.7 and 3ppm a litre fluoride.

So do you believe tea has a safe level of fluoride?

Since when are you happy quoting Waugh to make your point ??

And what Tea's did he investigate ?

12-10-2014 02:14PM

weisses wrote: »

Since when are you happy quoting Waugh to make your point ??

And what Tea's did he investigate ?

All major brands from the supermarket.

Why won't you answer the question on whether you believe tea to be toxic?

weisses · 12-10-2014 02:16PM

jh79 wrote: »

The government is following best practice based on the evidence available.

But they have to be safe for the consumer too or restricted to ensure safe use.

It is urgent that governmental and international agencies adopt safe standards of fluoride content in tea commodities." (Journal of Fluorine Chemistry 2008).

What did the Government do about this ?

Specially taking in effect the Irish are a Tea drinking nation

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12-10-2014 02:18PM

weisses wrote: »

What did the Government do about this ?

Specially taking in effect the Irish are a Tea drinking nation

Could you just answer the question first, is tea more toxic than Irish tap water?

weisses · 12-10-2014 02:20PM

jh79 wrote: »

All major brands from the supermarket.

Why won't you answer the question on whether you believe tea to be toxic?

Black tea so

What about green and White tea?

I already stated (other thread) I was concerned about these levels and it should be put on the packaging

kilkenny12 · 12-10-2014 02:21PM

Fluorine, chlorine and bromine knock the iodine out of our bodies. Iodine is essential for thyroid function and IQ, as well as every other organ in the body. We all need to supplement iodine because of exposure to the first three halogens I mentioned.

Expect more mental clarity when you begin supping iodine

weisses · 12-10-2014 02:22PM

jh79 wrote: »

Could you just answer the question first, is tea more toxic than Irish tap water?

Potentially yes (depending on what tea)

And made with fluoridated water is a double whammy

12-10-2014 02:26PM

weisses wrote: »

Black tea so

What about green and White tea?

I already stated (other thread) I was concerned about these levels and it should be put on the packaging

But given the levels are multiples that of water only a label is required? The equivalent of 3ppm fluoridated irish water just needs a warning label?

12-10-2014 02:29PM

weisses wrote: »

Potentially yes (depending on what tea)

And made with fluoridated water is a double whammy

Most tea in ireland is black tea.

Did read on the Daily Mail that increased green tea consumption in China correlates with better bone health and this may be due to fluoride.

weisses · 12-10-2014 02:34PM

jh79 wrote: »

But given the levels are multiples that of water only a label is required? The equivalent of 3ppm fluoridated irish water just needs a warning label?

So What is your estimate in how much fluoride (ppm) is an Irish person exposed to on a daily basis (taking in effect all we eat and drink) and coal burning as well ?

It is urgent that governmental and international agencies adopt safe standards of fluoride content in tea commodities." (Journal of Fluorine Chemistry 2008).

What did the Government do about this ? specialy with the Irish among the top (black) tea drinkers in the world

12-10-2014 02:38PM

weisses wrote: »

So What is your estimate in how much fluoride (ppm) is an Irish person exposed to on a daily basis (taking in effect all we eat and drink) and coal burning as well ?

What did the Government do about this ? specialy with the Irish among the top (black) tea drinkers in the world

Because we know that the first sign of fluoride over exposure is fluorosis that is all it is necessary to monitor.

No fluorosis or cosmetic fluorosis only means the levels of fluoride we consume from tea or any other sources is within safe levels..

Torakx · 12-10-2014 05:36PM

I have dental flourosis. I'm Irish and I drink a lot of black tea.
According to this conversation i am over exposed toflouride. It's in my drinking water too obviously.
Should I be taking the health miniister to court? lol

12-10-2014 05:42PM

Torakx wrote: »

I have dental flourosis. I'm Irish and I drink a lot of black tea.
According to this conversation i am over exposed toflouride. It's in my drinking water too obviously.
Should I be taking the health miniister to court? lol

Cut back on the tea by one cup and that is more fluoride out of your diet than if the government ended water fluoridation.

weisses · 12-10-2014 10:25PM

jh79 wrote: »

Because we know that the first sign of fluoride over exposure is fluorosis that is all it is necessary to monitor.

No fluorosis or cosmetic fluorosis only means the levels of fluoride we consume from tea or any other sources is within safe levels..

Can you just answer the questions ?

12-10-2014 10:37PM

weisses wrote: »

Can you just answer the questions ?

I did it just doesn't suit your agenda, if fluorosis isn't a major problem then either is water fluoridation.

12-10-2014 10:43PM

I have no idea what the average intake is , do you? I do know adverse effects are not associated with our intake so who cares.

weisses · 12-10-2014 10:59PM

jh79 wrote: »

I did it just doesn't suit your agenda, if fluorosis isn't a major problem then either is water fluoridation.

What agenda ??

I asked what the government did to adopt safe standards of fluoride content in tea commodities ??

you stated earlier

The government is following best practice based on the evidence available.

How do you know they do

You don't even know what the daily average intake of Irish people is ... but you know its safe .... terrific

weisses · 12-10-2014 11:02PM

jh79 wrote: »

I have no idea what the average intake is , do you? I do know adverse effects are not associated with our intake so who cares.

so you don't know the average but you do know its safe ....strange approach

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