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Darwin's theory

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  • #782
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    This country has known tyranny all too well.
    The total cost of my love and God's pure love ... is no charge.:cool:


  • #783
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,526 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    J C wrote: »
    I am not going to waste my time reviewing already peer-reviewed papers ... most of which involve intra species 'evolution' that I already agree with anyway.

    If you want, I'll review the best paper you can get that supports 'molecules to Man' Evolution.

    So you're saying all the articles in those journals I linked to are good sound science?

    What about your scientific degrees? Are you forthcoming on those?


  • #784
    Squeedily Spooch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Squeedily Spooch


    J C wrote: »
    The total cost of my love and God's pure love ... is no charge.:cool:

    But God's love isn't pure, it's very much based on worshipping him, and if you exercise that free will he supposedly instilled in all of us he throws you into a lake of fire for all eternity? Doesn't seem like a pure love to me.


  • #785
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    No one is asking you to review a paper.
    5uspect is
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92578436&postcount=757

    ... and I was replying to him/her.


  • #786
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    5uspect wrote: »
    So you're saying all the articles in those journals I linked to are good sound science?
    I didn't look at them because I don't have the time ... but most 'evolution' papers look at real world natural/sexual/artificial selection situations where there is no disagreement from me on them ... other than the verbal 'bowing and scraping' and 'genuflection' that sometimes accompanies them to 'Molecules to Man Evolution' ... even when the paper is not about this at all.
    5uspect wrote: »
    What about your scientific degrees? Are you forthcoming on those?
    No.

    Creation Science remains a 'love that dare not speak its name' ... or identify itself ... if the Creationist wants to remain employable.

    '


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  • #787
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,526 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    J C wrote: »
    5uspect is
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92578436&postcount=757

    ... and I was replying to him/her.

    I'm simply asking two things. Demonstrate what is wrong with any paper from a peer reviewed journal that deals with evolution. You've already claimed elsewhere that you believe there is a conspiracy against creationists. If this is so you should be able to show where a paper on Darwinian evolution is false or lies.

    Since you claim you are a scientist then I would expect you to use science to do so. I would then secondly like to know what kind of scientist you are.


  • #788
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Ah yes, compulsory love, another bonus Christianity gives us.


  • #789
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Squeedily Spooch wrote: »
    But God's love isn't pure, it's very much based on worshipping him, and if you exercise that free will he supposedly instilled in all of us he throws you into a lake of fire for all eternity? Doesn't seem like a pure love to me.
    It's pure love lavished on all of us, who are totally undeserving of it ... in justice we should all pay for our sins ... but God in His mercy has done this for us ... and all we have to do is ask Him to remit our sins in mercy or to retain them in justice.
    He will not force anybody to love Him or live with Him in Heaven when they die.
    If they wish to live with the 'other guy', God will grant them their wish also.
    The fact that the 'other guy' and his friends may not be too nice to live with ... and his abode could do with some air-conditioning isn't God's fault.:eek:


  • #790
    Squeedily Spooch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Squeedily Spooch


    J C wrote: »
    I didn't look at them because I don't have the time ... but most 'evolution' papers look at real world natural/sexual/artificial selection situations where there is no disagreement from me on them ... other than the verbal 'bowing and scraping' and 'genuflection' that sometimes accompanies them to 'Molecules to Man Evolution' ... even when the paper is not about this at all.

    No.

    Creation Science remains a 'love that dare not speak its name' ... or identify itself ... if the Creationist wants to remain employable.

    '

    They're not asking you for specific employment details, just a degree type. You'd hardly be identifiable by that.


  • #791
    Squeedily Spooch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Squeedily Spooch


    J C wrote: »
    It's pure love lavished on all of us, who are totally undeserving of it ... in justice we should all pay for our sins ... but God in His mercy has done this for us ... and all we have to do is ask Him to remit our sins.
    However, He will not force anybody to love Him or live with Him in Heaven when they die.
    If they wish to live with the 'other guy' God will grant them their wish.
    The fact that the 'other guy' and his friends may not be too nice to live with ... and his abode could do with some air-conditioning, to say the least about it, isn't God's fault.:eek:

    I'm not a Christian so your rules don't apply to me, same way any rules a Hindu or Muslim should abide by don't apply to you. If you're happy to live an eternity in an abusive, inescapable relationship with a tyrant more power to you.


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  • #792
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Gintonious wrote: »
    Ah yes, compulsory love, another bonus Christianity gives us.
    Love is never compulsory ... God loves you, just like I do ... but you are free to return that love ... or not.

    High-five!!:)


  • #793
    Vinnie L
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭Vinnie L


    Squeedily Spooch wrote: »
    I'm not a Christian so your rules don't apply to me, same way any rules a Hindu or Muslim should abide by don't apply to you. If you're happy to live an eternity in an abusive, inescapable relationship with a tyrant more power to you.

    If your happy to make up what most Christians believe, then the only person you're kidding is yourself.


  • #794
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Squeedily Spooch wrote: »
    I'm not a Christian so your rules don't apply to me, same way any rules a Hindu or Muslim should abide by don't apply to you. If you're happy to live an eternity in an abusive, inescapable relationship with a tyrant more power to you.
    Can I assure you that I won't be going to Hell ... but instead I am Heaven-bound, to live in eternal bliss with the almighty, loving and merciful God who Created us.


  • #795
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Pride cometh before the fall, JC!

    Careful now!


  • #796
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Squeedily Spooch wrote: »
    They're not asking you for specific employment details, just a degree type. You'd hardly be identifiable by that.
    Could be ... so I'm not taking the risk.
    ... and you wouldn't do it, if you were a Creationist, either.


  • #797
    M5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,161 ✭✭✭✭M5


    It's like arguing with a 5 year old. The slightest awkward question is either ignored or the subject changed. It really is like a child sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting lalalala.

    Degree is no doubt from a bible belt college and in creation science, hence he won't divulge as he would be ridiculed.

    Then again I could be wrong,he may have a bona fide degree. It could be hiding with his mensa credentials!


  • #798
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    catallus wrote: »
    Pride cometh before the fall, JC!

    Careful now!
    I'm a Fallen creature made new by the Saving power of Jesus Christ.

    Are you not Heaven-bound yourself catallus?


  • #799
    Squeedily Spooch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Squeedily Spooch


    Vinnie L wrote: »
    If your happy to make up what most Christians believe, then the only person you're kidding is yourself.

    God's not a tyrant? He very much is. Love me or I'll burn you for eternity.


  • #800
    Vinnie L
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭Vinnie L


    Poster JC, you say you don't believe in evolution because there is no evidence.

    So what evidence have you for creationism ?


  • #801
    Squeedily Spooch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Squeedily Spooch


    J C wrote: »
    I'm a Fallen creature made new by the Saving power of Jesus Christ.

    But Jesus sacrificed nothing for you. He came back to life and went back to dad/himself. Where's the sacrifice? The self loathing required for Christianity is something I can't fathom.


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  • #802
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,526 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    J C wrote: »
    I didn't look at them because I don't have the time ... but most 'evolution' papers look at real world natural/sexual/artificial selection situations where there is no disagreement from me on them ... other than the verbal 'bowing and scraping' and 'genuflection' that sometimes accompanies them to 'Molecules to Man Evolution' ... even when the paper is not about this at all.

    If you were a scientist in this area you would have to spend significant amounts of your time reading these journals. So by a process of elimination assume that you are not a biologist?

    Can you show me an example of such 'bowing and scraping' in one of the papers from these journals?
    No.

    Creation Science remains a 'love that dare not speak its name' ... or identify itself ... if the Creationist wants to remain employable.

    '

    I doubt that. I've had creationists in my various work places. Nobody ever lost their job because of it and if they did that would be illegal.

    So you're probably not a biologist? Did you train in life sciences? Or perhaps the social or physical sciences? Revealing this will reveal nothing about your identity. It will however help you back up your claims about being a scientist, a statement which nobody believes.


  • #803
    Squeedily Spooch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Squeedily Spooch


    Vinnie L wrote: »
    Poster JC, you say you don't believe in evolution because there is no evidence.

    So what evidence have you for creationism ?

    If you have time and fancy a laugh read through some of his posts, there's no evidence, or none that he'll give. I'd say the only degree he has is one in Bolloxology.


  • #804
    Vinnie L
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭Vinnie L


    Squeedily Spooch wrote: »
    God's not a tyrant? He very much is. Love me or I'll burn you for eternity.

    Actually it's love one another or you burn for eternity. Loving God is not enough.
    Loving your neighbour while sincerly not believing in God probably is.
    But by all means carry on pretending what Christians believe.


  • #805
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    M5 wrote: »
    Degree is no doubt from a bible belt college and in creation science.
    That wouldn't be a conventional degree from a conventional university ... which all Creation Scientists, in good standing, like me, possess.
    M5 wrote: »
    Then again I could be wrong,he may have a bona fide degree. It could be hiding with his mensa credentials!
    I don't want to know who you are or what your academic credentials are ... why do you want to know mine?


  • #806
    Squeedily Spooch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Squeedily Spooch


    J C wrote: »
    ]That wouldn't be a conventional degree from a conventional university ... which all Creation Scientists, in good standing, like me, possess.

    I don't want to know who you are or what your academic credentials are ... why do you want to know mine?

    Because you're the one claiming to be a scientist?


  • #807
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    J C wrote: »
    Love is never compulsory ... God loves you, just like I do ... but you are free to return that love ... or not.

    High-five!!:)

    I rest my case, I don't want love or want to be commanded to love someone or something, thats the definition of a totalitarian existence.

    You are welcome to love your "God", but keep it to yourself and away from me, or anyone for that matter.


  • #808
    Squeedily Spooch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Squeedily Spooch


    Vinnie L wrote: »
    Actually it's love one another or you burn for eternity. Loving God is not enough.
    Loving your neighbour while sincerly not believing in God probably is.
    But by all means carry on pretending what Christians believe.

    You think you can get into heaven without believing in God? All the Atheists are sorted so. I can't imagine any church would profess not believing in God is a sure path to heaven. I think it's yourself who's a bit confused about Christianity there.


  • #809
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Squeedily Spooch wrote: »
    God's not a tyrant? He very much is. Love me or I'll burn you for eternity.
    God doesn't burn anybody ... the Devil and his angels provide this particular service, for those who ask for it.
    ... it's something like eternal self-flagellation for masochists.

    ... something like the 'sex-slave' who craves humiliation by a dominatrix ... only eternal and much more severe.:eek:


  • #810
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    It's funny there was no mention of Hell in the old testament, the good man him self Jesus is the first to mention it, don't love me and you'll burn in hell fire.

    Punishment of the dead, yet another star in the book for Christianity.


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  • #811
    Squeedily Spooch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Squeedily Spooch


    J C wrote: »
    God doesn't burn anybody ... the Devil and his angels provide this particular service, for those who ask for it.
    ... it's something like eternal self-flagellation for masochists.

    ... something like the 'sex-slaves' who crave humiliation by a dominatrix ... only eternal and much more severe.:eek:

    But you don't really ask for it do you, God's love is built on an ultimatum. Can you not accept Gods love and not go to Hell? Live in the prescence of a tyrant or go where you'll be burned alive for all time. Unless you get to go off with one of the other gods after you die. There are thousands after all.


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