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  • #662
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    J C wrote: »
    More unfounded name-calling and verbal abuse. There is a pattern here of 'kick the Creationist'... and its not a pretty sight ... you guys should be ashamed of yourselves ... and you do the image of Atheism no favours.

    Ye talk about religious extremists ... and ye behave just like them with unfounded prejudicial personal comments directed at people with whom ye have a difference of opinon.:(

    How often are the mensa newsletters? You are dodging the question.


  • #663
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Isn't being a Creation Scientist pretty much the same thing as being a Unicorn Veterinarian?


  • #664
    Grand Moff Tarkin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Grand Moff Tarkin


    J C wrote: »
    I am not that kind of person ... I love my fellow man ... and I respect everybodies right to be different ... and unlike you, I don't engage in unfounded prejudicial and sectarian comments or verbal abuse ... which is only one step away from physical abuse and other forms of violence.:(

    I do not support a faith where they bugger children for their jollies.

    I do not support a faith where a woman has to hide her face.

    I do not support a faith where it is wrong for a man to love a man and a woman to love a woman.

    I do not support a faith where the unbelivers are killed.


  • #665
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    I think what he means is you are a Christian extremist .
    So by the" power of god " if you happened to be born into the Muslim faith you would be an extremist too .
    I am not an extremist 'anything' ... I love my fellow man and I wish nothing but the best for everybody.

    Ye guys are the 'extremists' bad-mouthing all persons of faith and making the most outrageous unfounded accusations against anybody who even questions the long-defunct idea that we are all descended from a 'slimeball' via selected mistakes and damaging mutations.:(


  • #666
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »
    I do not support a faith where they bugger children for their jollies.

    I do not support a faith where a woman has to hide her face.

    I do not support a faith where it is wrong for a man to love a man and a woman to love a woman.

    I do not support a faith where the unbelivers are killed.

    I don't support a faith that is literally based on nothing.

    Doing so seems like something a mentally ill person would do.


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  • #667
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    J C wrote: »
    and you do the image of Atheism no favours.
    You do realise that plenty of religious people of different faiths have no problem with evolution including Christians? Creationism tends to be the preserve of fundamentalist Protestant Christian sects/offshoots. Since the US of A has historically* had more of them that's why it's ground zero for creationism and its bedfellows. Creationism is by definition a fundamentalist belief.







    *During and after the Reformation Europe and Britain had a load of different sects popping up. Often on a weekly basis and a load of those that didn't just peter out hightailed it to the new colonies.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #668
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »
    I do not support a faith where they bugger children for their jollies.

    I do not support a faith where a woman has to hide her face.

    I do not support a faith where it is wrong for a man to love a man and a woman to love a woman.

    I do not support a faith where the unbelivers are killed.
    ... and I also don't support such a faith.
    Neither do I support the Atheistic Communists who murdered untold millions throughout the 20th century in slave labour camps, by summary execution and in terrorist atrocities across the Earth.


  • #669
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Wibbs wrote: »
    You do realise that plenty of religious people of different faiths have no problem with evolution including Christians? Creationism tends to be the preserve of fundamentalist Protestant Christian sects/offshoots. Since the US of A has historically* had more of them that's why it's ground zero for creationism and its bedfellows. Creationism is by definition a fundamentalist belief.
    ... and I also have no 'problem' with the idea that that frogs turned into princes over millions of years with nothing added but selected mistakes ... apart from the fact that it is obviously completely invalid and only has any merit as a fairy story ... and even then, a five year old could 'see through it'.:)


  • #670
    Grand Moff Tarkin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Grand Moff Tarkin


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    I don't support a faith that is literally based on nothing.

    Doing so seems like something a mentally ill person would do.

    I put my faith in science.


  • #671
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »
    I put my faith in science.

    You mean the thing with solid, quantifiable proof and and openness to change if new evidence comes along?

    But fairy tales about an angry space ghost and his undead son are much more comforting.


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  • #672
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Saipanne wrote: »
    How often are the mensa newsletters? You are dodging the question.
    ... I'm not dodging anything ... I was asleep until a few minutes ago ... and I woke up to wild accusations against me from Atheists behaving like some kind of Secular Inquisition and Taliban all wrapped up in one ... culminating in the following totally outrageous exchange of emails

    Quote:-
    Originally Posted by EoghanIRL
    We already know he (J C) is an extremist .

    Grand Moff Tarkin
    Dangerous individuals when they get any sort of power.

    So I'm sorry, but my membership of Mensa is 'small beer' in comparison with the priority to defend my good name against such outrageous trolling, name calling and personal abuse.

    ... and to answer your question ... as I haven't paid my annual Mensa subscription, I don't get these newsletters.


  • #673
    The Adversary
    Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭The Adversary


    J C wrote: »
    ... and I also don't support such a faith.
    Neither do I support the Atheistic Communists who murdered untold millions throughout the 20th century in slave labour camps, by summary execution and in terrorist atrocities across the Earth.

    Dogmatic belief in Marxism, not because they were atheists.

    Hitler was a Christian.


  • #674
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »
    I put my faith in science.
    That is Scientism ... and you are correct, is it also a Faith ... and it can lead to the serious philosophical error of reductionism ... to name but one possible error.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism


  • #675
    SaveOurLyric
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭SaveOurLyric


    The arrogance here from some of the 'scientific' community is breathtaking. Science has explained some interesting elements of life and the universe, but it has never got to the root of the questions it set out to answer using its 'scientific method': what is the universe, why are we here, is there a god. Quite a failure. Yet the faith put in such science is not dented by its abject failure ( the faith put in the peer review system is equally bizarre - of course those who agree with you will endorse your work, but excluding creation scientists who don't, because they dont, is rigging the endorsement). So who are those who really have the blind faith ?


  • #676
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    The arrogance here from some of the 'scientific' community is breathtaking. Science has explained some interesting elements of life and the universe, but it has never got to the root of the questions it set out to answer using its 'scientific method': what is the universe, why are we here, is there a god. Quite a failure. Yet the faith put in such science is not dented by its abject failure ( the faith put in the peer review system is equally bizarre - of course those who agree with you will endorse your work, but excluding creation scientists who don't, because they dont, is rigging the endorsement). So who are those who really have the blind faith ?

    I didn't realise that the scientific community had given up trying to find answers to these questions and had published a book of unchangeable facts.


  • #677
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    I don't support a faith that is literally based on nothing.
    .
    I agree with you on that ... evolutionism states that first there was nothing ... and then it blew up (in the Big Bang) ... and then there was nothing ... and it spontaneously blew up into life (in the Cambrian explosion) ... and then nothing but time and mistakes produced Man.

    However, as I am much more charitable than you obviously are ... I certainly wouldn't call the adherents to this unfounded faith in Materialist processes, mentally ill, as you have described them.:(
    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Doing so seems like something a mentally ill person would do.


  • #678
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    The arrogance here from some of the 'scientific' community is breathtaking. Science has explained some interesting elements of life and the universe, but it has never got to the root of the questions it set out to answer using its 'scientific method': what is the universe, why are we here, is there a god. Quite a failure. Yet the faith put in such science is not dented by its abject failure ( the faith put in the peer review system is equally bizarre - of course those who agree with you will endorse your work, but excluding creation scientists who don't, because they dont, is rigging the endorsement). So who are those who really have the blind faith ?

    You don't know much about science do you? Of course fairy stories written a few thousand years ago about a big bloke with a beard living in the sky require very little brain power so it's easy to see why those of "faith" choose it....much easier than thinking and questioning


  • #679
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Oh sure SOL, science screws up on quite a regular basis and dodgy theories gain ground and are near unassailable givens for a time, however and it's a big however sooner or later such theories get updated or overturned. It's quite a regular thing. Science has the ability to evolve over time as evidence mounts up that backs up a theory or discredits it.

    Take the formation of the universe. Beyond religious explanations the idea took hold that the universe was always here, a steady state. Then a cosmic atom exploding, the "big bang" came along(ironically given the thread, thought up by a Catholic priest) and the mounting evidence for this backed up this notion and the steady state universe faded as a working theory.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #680
    smcgiff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    J C wrote: »
    As I'm a member of Mensa, that would be as impossible ... as spontaneous evolution.:cool:

    Present tense. So you lied either way.

    Lies make baby Jesus cry - shame on you.


  • #681
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    It took me a 2 second Google to find a Mensa acceptance letter. link

    He also asked you how many news letters Mensa members get each year, not an acceptance letter.
    I have now googled 'Mensa acceptance letter' ... and it didn't provide the link you have posted ... so where/how did you get that link?

    Could I also point out that the reg number on the document on your link is unreadable ... while I have provided this on the transcript of my letter.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92576379&postcount=694


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  • #682
    housetypeb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭housetypeb


    The Adversary wrote: »
    Dogmatic belief in Marxism, not because they were atheists.

    Hitler was a Christian.

    JC already knows all that-he's been told enough times over the years -but he has his script and he sticks to it religiously.


  • #683
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    J C wrote: »
    I agree with you on that ... evolutionism states that first there was nothing ... and then it blew up (in the Big Bang) ...
    That's cosmology, not evolutionary theory. And as I noted dreamt up by a priest. Genetic inheritance was another one dreamt up by a priest. Newton was very religious and produced more writings on theology than physics(and gave a nod to the work of Catholic scientists). Copernicus was another man of the cloth and contrary to popular was supported by his church. His first book was produced by the vatican and dedicated to the pope of the time. That's before we get to Muslim scientists, and Buddhist and Hindu and... A shed load of damn good science was produced by very religious people. Who'd have thunk it.
    and then there was nothing ... and it spontaneously blew up into life (in the Cambrian explosion) ... and then nothing but time and mistakes produced Man.
    Eh... no. The Cambrian explosion came long after life kicked off on the planet. A billion plus years long after. How can you begin to refute any theory if you don't know the basics of same?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #684
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    smcgiff wrote: »
    Present tense. So you lied either way.

    Lies make baby Jesus cry - shame on you.
    I am a member of Mensa (which is the substantive issue) ... unless you are saying that not paying my annual sub is something to be ashamed of, in these times austerity !!!:(


  • #685
    smcgiff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    J C wrote: »
    I am a member of Mensa (which is the substantive issue) ... unless you are saying that not paying my annual sub is something to be ashamed of, in these times austerity !!!:(

    So, you retain membership when you don't pay annual fees? That's not like any association I know.


  • #686
    SaveOurLyric
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭SaveOurLyric


    Unlike scientists,who stick to whatever script is fashioable at a given time. Next month, the 'scientifically proven facts' will be new ones contradicting the old ones. Creation Science has had it right from the beginning for those who choose to see.


  • #687
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    This thread has reverse evolved. Time to chuck in a few bananas.


  • #688
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    housetypeb wrote: »
    JC already knows all that-he's been told enough times over the years -but he has his script and he sticks to it religiously.
    Hitler was a first-rate anti-christ ... and exterminated many Saved Christians in his death camps ... along with Jews, homosexuals, gypsies and any other category of people that his sick evil mind targeted for 'termination'.

    His so-called Reich Church was a sycretic mix of tutonic paganism with substantial dollops of satanism and nazi dogma thrown into the mix.

    Quote:-
    "In 1936, the Reich Church was created. This did not have the Christian cross as its symbol but the swastika. The Bible was replaced by "Mein Kampf" which was placed on the altar. By it was a sword. Only invited Nazis were allowed to give sermons in a Reich Church. "


  • #689
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,526 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    Most 'conventionally' trained Scientists, as J C claimes he is, would not cite a thing so trivial as a Mensa membership. They would in fact list their academic qualifications, something J C has refused point blank to do; even when every other qualified poster on the d'other mega thread supplied their qualifications.

    Not to mention the times he got caught copy-pasting and repeatedly lying...


  • #690
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    This thread has reverse evolved. Time to chuck in a few bananas.
    ... yes it's devolved allright ... down to personal abuse directed at me ... rather then civil reasoned posts.:(


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  • #691
    smcgiff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    5uspect wrote: »
    Most 'conventionally' trained Scientists, as J C claimes he is, would not cite a thing so trivial as a Mensa membership. They would in fact list their academic qualifications, something J C has refused point blank to do; even when every other qualified poster on the d'other mega thread supplied their qualifications.

    Not to mention the times he got caught copy-pasting and repeatedly lying...

    Just realised what J C stands for. Just Codding.


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