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Appreciate all the opinion, feedback & advice. I think the common theme shining through from everyone's posts is to be sensible and not to risk injury. I will definitely be doing this, but race tactics will have to wait until much closer to the day. I intend to get back running some easy miles in the coming week.
Meanwhile, I've updated my mileage table. Still due to hit 2000 for the year during the DCM
Month|Mileage
January|229
February|151
March|166
April|201
May|160
June|230
July|235
August|284
September|214
Total Yearly Mileage to 30th September: 1,8700 -
Wednesday 8th October - 7m Easy
7 miles @ 8:30min/mile average
This was my first run since the Berlin Marathon. I had originally planned on getting out for a few miles yesterday evening but I was still trying to shake off a cold/flu, so thought it better to leave that one as it may have done me more harm than good. No real plan for tonight, just get some miles in at easy pace. Although it was quite tough in the opening miles, I started to loosen up the further I went and felt quite good towards the end. I'll probably get a Med-Long run (10-14 miles) in tomorrow and hopefully some sort of a Long run on Sunday (16-18 miles) before I begin my DCM taper
. My plan for the next couple of weeks is to keep myself ticking over with easy miles, making sure I run enough so that I hit 2000 for the year during the DCM. That has become my next mini-goal (currently on 1877).
Splits:
Mile 1 - 8:43
Mile 2 - 8:24
Mile 3 - 8:30
Mile 4 - 8:47
Mile 5 - 8:37
Mile 6 - 8:12
Mile 7 - 8:20
*On a totally unrelated note (call this post-marathon boredom rather than taper-madness), after a comment I made on the mentored thread relating to positive/negative marathon splits, I decided to have a look at my own from previous marathons. I'm still 0/5 in the negative split category, but I'm gradually getting closer:
Marathon|Total|First Half|Second Half|Difference
Dublin 2010|3:39:36|1:44:22|1:55:14|+10:52
Berlin 2011|3:35:20|1:46:09|1:49:11|+3:02
Chicago 2013|3:34:53|1:45:00|1:49:53|+4:53
Seville 2014|3:08:25|1:32:47|1:35:38|+2:51
Berlin 2014|2:59:11|1:28:13|1:30:58|+2:45
Dublin 2014|?|?|?|-x:xx :pac:
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You are a mad yoke..15 mile LSR done already. You know your own body but just be careful not to underestimate recovery required. Rule of thumb is an easy day for every mile raced. I personally wouldn't see much benefit in doing so many miles between the two marathons. But that's just my view on it!
They were 'easy' miles though
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I'm resting tomorrow. Are you advising against my planned 16-18 miler on Sunday then? What would you suggest instead?
I'll return the question with a question. I'm in that type of humour.
With the 16-18, what's the purpose of the run? What are you looking to get from it?
(I hope that doesn't come across judgmental or anything!)0 -
They were 'easy' miles though
True...I just noticed the comment that the legs should be back to normal next week so said I would maybe suggest not to go off doing sessions next week or anything or get back to a "normal" training week.
DR hit the nail on the head with the question above anyway..:)0 -
dublin runner wrote: »I'll return the question with a question. I'm in that type of humour.
With the 16-18, what's the purpose of the run? What are you looking to get from it?
(I hope that doesn't come across judgmental or anything!)
I'm afraid I'll have gone four weeks without a long run otherwise and will regret that during the DCM (please reassure me otherwise?)0 -
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I'm afraid I'll have gone four weeks without a long run otherwise and will regret that during the DCM (please reassure me otherwise?)
Having trained for and raced a marathon, you have a huge aerobic base. That won't disappear in 29 days. I had a quick look at the P&D Multiple Marathon Schedule to see what it recommends (after questioning myself). It has over nothing 15 miles.
What's the biggest danger in multi-marathoning? I would say the risk of being over-cooked. Now, I have never ran two marathons in a month (I will at some stage) but I think less is more.
Have the confidence in yourself to know you have the miles under the belt. It's already in the bank. Give yourself the very best chance to really enjoy the day. Don't forget, Berlin was the target.
That's my two cents. When it comes down to it you know your body better than anyone. 0 -
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dublin runner wrote: »Having trained for and raced a marathon, you have a huge aerobic base. That won't disappear in 29 days. I had a quick look at the P&D Multiple Marathon Schedule to see what it recommends (after questioning myself). It has over nothing 15 miles.
What's the biggest danger in multi-marathoning? I would say the risk of being over-cooked. Now, I have never ran two marathons in a month (I will at some stage) but I think less is more.
Have the confidence in yourself to know you have the miles under the belt. It's already in the bank. Give yourself the very best chance to really enjoy the day. Don't forget, Berlin was the target.
That's my two cents. When it comes down to it you know your body better than anyone.
Point taken. If you read my Berlin report, you'll understand I am prone to going a bit crazy beforehand which may explain all this.
Thanks for the reassurance
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Sunday 12th October - 10m Easy
10 miles @ 8:02min/mile average
Got out in the twilight after work, meaning most of this was done in the dark. I payed no attention at all to the watch (couldn't see it anyway) and just ran at what felt like an easy effort. While I was out there I had a (silent) chat with myself (prompted by the comments on here yesterday). Three years ago I ran the Berlin Marathon and did absolutely zero running after that for about a month. I was in New York when the DCM was taking place but had I been home I would have definitely run as I felt I'd be fit enough having run Berlin just a few weeks earlier, despite doing nothing in between. Yet here I am worrying about losing fitness two weeks after the biggest race (and most intense training block) of my life? That doesn't make any sense!
So I decided I wasn't going further than 10 miles, and that this run will be my longest before the DCM. Enforced rest day tomorrow, which won't do me any harm.
No more silliness! Are you listening loughie?
Splits:
Mile 1 - 8:02
Mile 2 - 7:53
Mile 3 - 7:57
Mile 4 - 8:12
Mile 5 - 8:01
Mile 6 - 7:38
Mile 7 - 7:46
Mile 8 - 8:12
Mile 9 - 8:20
Mile 10 - 8:210 -
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Have you set a target for DCM yet?
Here's another potentially useful quote from P&D, from the Multiple Marathons chapter:
If you have less than 4 weeks between marathons, you're on your own. Your main concern should be recovery, recovery, recovery, and more recovery, not only from your first marathon but also from the lobotomy that led you to come up with this plan.
Luckily there are 4 weeks and 1 day between Berlin and Dublin. 0 -
Have you set a target for DCM yet?
Here's another potentially useful quote from P&D, from the Multiple Marathons chapter:
If you have less than 4 weeks between marathons, you're on your own. Your main concern should be recovery, recovery, recovery, and more recovery, not only from your first marathon but also from the lobotomy that led you to come up with this plan.
Luckily there are 4 weeks and 1 day between Berlin and Dublin.
Haha.....I saw that.
The truth about Dublin is I honestly don't know, and won't know for sure until during the race itself. Although I ran a HM four weeks after Seville, a HM is not a marathon and I can't predict what way I'll feel once I get further than halfway. Regardless of the result I won't let myself be disappointed as I always intended the DCM to be a 'lap of honour' after Berlin. However, if everything falls into place and during the race I feel in the shape to do so, I'll give it a proper lash. No matter what, I'll be in McGrattans afterwards for a few beers to celebrate.
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Wednesday 15th October - 8m Easy
8 miles @ 8:21min/mile average
I had planned to get out for a few miles before work yesterday morning but when I awoke, both my legs and body were feeling very tired. I thought of Murph_D's P&D quote "Recovery, recovery and even more recovery" and decided to go back to sleep for an hour instead. I think that will have done me more good. I couldn't do that today, as I had a provisional date with TbL on one of his final tune-up runs before Amsterdam. I didn't want to go further than 8 miles in total this morning though, so I cycled up & back to the PP adding another 4-5 miles of cardio to my workout. We took the run easy for the most part before throwing in one MP mile (6:59) along Conyngham Road, which was probably more difficult than it should have been because of the headwind. Quite blustery out there today!
As usual the time passed much more quickly with company. Best of luck on Sunday TbL!
Splits:
Mile 1 - 8:10
Mile 2 - 8:29
Mile 3 - 9:14
Mile 4 - 8:46
Mile 5 - 8:33
Mile 6 - 6:59
Mile 7 - 7:51
Mile 8 - 8:490
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