Tedious and repetative moaning

IsThisOneFree · 22-09-2014 06:55PM

Well, first of all, sorry to hear what you had to go through, I can only imagine how stressful it must be

fisher8181 wrote: »

It cost me €2,000 to prove my innocence.

Do you mind me asking, presumably you got your fees covered by the other party once you were proven innocent ? I've been following this thread since yesterday afternoon out of curiosity, and I do understand the OP's point of view ... your post however does sway me ...

Gael23 · 23-09-2014 10:02PM

I want to make an attempt to contribute constructively to this thread.

It is indeed heavily moderated, along with After Hours probably one of the more strictly moderated forums on the site.
Before I began writing this post I read the charter fully for the first time and I do post here quite often. What struck me in doing that was is this forum intended solely for use by medical professionals? I'm aware most/all of the mods are Doctors but if this is the case why is it not a private forum?
As I said, I post here and on Long Term illness quite often from me having an LTI leads me to HS but I do sometimes find it hard to understand what it is intended for. When I joined first, I viewed it as similar to LTI in that people share their experiences with each other but that's not allowed as it's seen as medical advice.
I remember one of my first posts here was in relation to a medication I was taking, I wanted to know if a side effect I was experiencing was normal and if it wasn't I would visit my GP, I made it clear that I had been to my GP and never mentioned why I was in this medication, but the thread was quickly locked.

I wanted to be constructive as much as possible but app I have to say I'm sometimes not sure what the forum stands for

locum-motion · 23-09-2014 11:31PM

ryanf1 wrote: »

I want to make an attempt to contribute constructively to this thread.

It is indeed heavily moderated, along with After Hours probably one of the more strictly moderated forums on the site.
Before I began writing this post I read the charter fully for the first time and I do post here quite often. What struck me in doing that was is this forum intended solely for use by medical professionals? I'm aware most/all of the mods are Doctors but if this is the case why is it not a private forum?
As I said, I post here and on Long Term illness quite often from me having an LTI leads me to HS but I do sometimes find it hard to understand what it is intended for. When I joined first, I viewed it as similar to LTI in that people share their experiences with each other but that's not allowed as it's seen as medical advice.
I remember one of my first posts here was in relation to a medication I was taking, I wanted to know if a side effect I was experiencing was normal and if it wasn't I would visit my GP, I made it clear that I had been to my GP and never mentioned why I was in this medication, but the thread was quickly locked.

I wanted to be constructive as much as possible but app I have to say I'm sometimes not sure what the forum stands for

You say you read it, but did you?
This is (part of) what it says:

This Forum is for all who enjoy and/or are interested in Health Sciences. This title includes all aspects of scientific and associated social aspects to working within the Health Sciences field. This includes disciplines such as medicine, nursing, allied health therapy, dietetics, optometry as well as all other paramedical disciplines.

We are primarily a scientific forum but we also discuss associated issues which affect our professions such as medical and paramedical politics, sociology and employment.

We have a subforum here which is specifically tailored to health sciences education to discuss entry into health sciences courses as well as undergraduate and postgraduate studies for all our disciplines.

There are just a few things to note when posting here

First and foremost.......

THIS IS NOT A MEDICAL ADVICE BOARD...

Seems fairly clear to me.

Gael23 · 24-09-2014 05:42PM

I fully understand its not for medical advice. My point is I sometimes do not clearly understand its purpose.

RobFowl · 24-09-2014 06:28PM

ryanf1 wrote: »

I fully understand its not for medical advice. My point is I sometimes do not clearly understand its purpose.

It's clear enough..

DrIndy wrote: »

Welcome to Health Sciences Forum. Please read the following before posting.

This Forum is for all who enjoy and/or are interested in Health Sciences. This title includes all aspects of scientific and associated social aspects to working within the Health Sciences field. This includes disciplines such as medicine, nursing, allied health therapy, dietetics, optometry as well as all other paramedical disciplines.

We are primarily a scientific forum but we also discuss associated issues which affect our professions such as medical and paramedical politics, sociology and employment.

We have a subforum here which is specifically tailored to health sciences education to discuss entry into health sciences courses as well as undergraduate and postgraduate studies for all our disciplines.

There are just a few things to note when posting here

First and foremost.......

THIS IS NOT A MEDICAL ADVICE BOARD.

No medical advice will be given here, so please don't ask for any.
If you want medical advice go to a doctor.

THIS INCLUDES ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES
Discuss the topic freely, but do not post treatments, diagnosis or remedies.

To clarify precisely what this means:

This is what sort of information can be requested on this forum and what should not. For medicolegal reasons, Boards.ie cannot provide any information which would consist of a diagnostic or therapeutic information. Despite this, I encourage people to discuss medical conditions and treatments available for those - so long as it does not substitute in any way seeking information from a qualified and registered medical practitioner.

Hence questions such as "Do I have asthma?" are not accepted and will be locked whereas questions such as "What are the symptoms of asthma and how does the disease occur?" are acceptable.

Likewise "What treatment should I be receiving?" is not acceptable but "What treatments are available and what are the side effects?" is acceptable so long as the information does not prejudice seeking the advice of a registered medical practitioner.

This includes recommendations of alternative therapies which have not been recommended by your attending physician/surgeon/GP.

There is a very fine line between legitimate information being provided and discussed and a post becoming a diagnostic or therapeutic one and I must unfortunately decide when the line is being crossed and the thread should be locked/deleted.

If you have a medical condition and/or are worried about any symptoms you have or therapy you receive, please go to your GP and do not post them here as they cannot be addressed on this forum.

Finally - it is good to have a scientific discussion on new research and clinical trials papers in ALL fields of Health Sciences and I encourage people from all those backgrounds to get involved in this forum.

And as usual

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As this is a science board, if you wish to discuss personal issues relating to your long term medical conditions, please seek out the Long Term Illness subforum where you have the opportunity to talk to other people who have these diagnosis and how they manage them in their lives. The Personal Issues forum is also available to people who have issues which do not fit into the above.

IsThisOneFree · 24-09-2014 07:05PM

... but "What treatments are available and what are the side effects?" is acceptable

ryanf1 wrote: »

I remember one of my first posts here was in relation to a medication I was taking, I wanted to know if a side effect I was experiencing was normal and if it wasn't I would visit my GP

To be fair, it does seem like the OP may have a point with regard to threads being closed too aggressively. If the charter states that this type of question is allowed, then why close the thread ?

Of course I understand, and agree, that boards is a discussion forum, not an advice forum. But unfortunately the line between these 2 get blurred sometimes. If I discuss a particular illness, and my experience with managing it, one person may interpret my experience as advice, while another may understand that every case is different, and therefore they need to be seen by a professional, rather than relying on my experiences with that illness.

locum-motion · 24-09-2014 07:16PM

IsThisOneFree wrote: »

To be fair, it does seem like the OP may have a point with regard to threads being closed too aggressively. If the charter states that this type of question is allowed, then why close the thread?...

"What are the side effects of Medicine A?" is a VERY different question to "I'm taking Medicine A, and I'm suffering from Symptom B. Is it caused by my Medication?"

IsThisOneFree · 24-09-2014 07:57PM

locum-motion wrote: »

"What are the side effects of Medicine A?" is a VERY different question to "I'm taking Medicine A, and I'm suffering from Symptom B. Is it caused by my Medication?"

Agreed, infact I'd even argue that a GP can't categorically say that something like drowsiness/nausea (for example) are definitely attributed to a particular medication that a patient is taking, but I'm going off on a tangent there. Going back to your original point:

1) Things like e-mails, forums posts etc have become so common place that we tend to use informal language, rather than being more careful about the way we structure our sentences and what grammar we use. Somebody may indeed ask "is medicine a causing my side effects", when really all they want to know is "can medicine a cause this side effect" - but as long as the answer that comes back is "medicine a may be associated with those side effects", then is there really a problem ?

2) If you refer back to the post in question, you'll find that the question was "is there a link between side effect a and medication b" ... which to me, is not in breach of the charter. Hence my comment that perhaps the OP has a point in saying that mods are being heavy handed in certain threads. I'm not saying that the OP's grievances should be based on a single thread, nor am I trying to make an example of anybody involved in that thread ... just saying that maybe the mods should consider "easing off" a little

Kurtosis · 24-09-2014 10:01PM

IsThisOneFree wrote: »

Agreed, infact I'd even argue that a GP can't categorically say that something like drowsiness/nausea (for example) are definitely attributed to a particular medication that a patient is taking, but I'm going off on a tangent there. Going back to your original point:

1) Things like e-mails, forums posts etc have become so common place that we tend to use informal language, rather than being more careful about the way we structure our sentences and what grammar we use. Somebody may indeed ask "is medicine a causing my side effects", when really all they want to know is "can medicine a cause this side effect" - but as long as the answer that comes back is "medicine a may be associated with those side effects", then is there really a problem ?

2) If you refer back to the post in question, you'll find that the question was "is there a link between side effect a and medication b" ... which to me, is not in breach of the charter. Hence my comment that perhaps the OP has a point in saying that mods are being heavy handed in certain threads. I'm not saying that the OP's grievances should be based on a single thread, nor am I trying to make an example of anybody involved in that thread ... just saying that maybe the mods should consider "easing off" a little

From the perspective of just a reader/poster on this forum, a lot of it can be down to semantics and context. The original post referred to above prefaces the question "is there a link between side effect a and medication b" with "I'm taking medication b and suffering from side-effect a". I thin this first part moves the query from seeking medical/medicine information (ok) to seeking medical advice (not ok). Comments relating to someone's personal medical situation or that could be construed as such could potentially but boards in a compromising legal position.

endacl · 25-09-2014 12:46AM